[Ampelas]

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I'm bored.
No one here?

I've just got here. So, who wants to make the first move?
The way I see it, we currently have two targets: Tellan and Karosis. Who you go for kinda depends on where you stand with the alliance, doesn't it?
There are actually a few more options on both sides, as several people have made it fairly plain where their allegiances lie, but these are the two most prominent members.

The way I see it,we have some info about both of them.So it would be better if we try and get info from someone other than these two,someone we mostly don't have any info on.Like Fener.

Ah, the third way. Of course, that poses the risk that you end up lynching someone in your own faction unknowingly. That will also be true for some with Karosis and Tellan too, of course, but at least it would be knowingly, and, most likely by that point, unavoidably.

Fener is the lowest poster and has not contributed much. This is a guess but I think if we target Tellan he will make the place Sacrosanct again., I think he has left it open for us to lynch Karosis today but if we go for him he will create the Sacrosanct. I cannot vote Fener unfortunately. I received something saying that unless I pay 3 Worship every day until the end of the game I cannot vote for him.

What? Is that specifically for Fener?

Yes only Fener. I thought it was strange but some people keep mentioning him and I think it could be related.

[Atrahal]

Ampelas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Yes only Fener. I thought it was strange but some people keep mentioning him and I think it could be related.

Yeah, I was wondering why his name kept cropping up. The question is, it is Fener doing it? Or someone trying to protect him? Or someone trying to frame him? It's strange that it's Fener...as you say, the guy has done very little - why bring attention to himself in this way? Unless of course he hoped to sneakily affect enough people so he could never be lynched.

[Atrahal]

Ampelas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Fener is the lowest poster and has not contributed much. This is a guess but I think if we target Tellan he will make the place Sacrosanct again., I think he has left it open for us to lynch Karosis today but if we go for him he will create the Sacrosanct. I cannot vote Fener unfortunately. I received something saying that unless I pay 3 Worship every day until the end of the game I cannot vote for him.

I agree with this by the way. I think Tellan is likely to be the less viable lynch target and may prove a waste of time, if he simply puts up Sacrosanct if he starts getting votes on him.

[Telas]

Fener is praying to the One God:

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6 Worship/cycle: the votes of other players who do not pray to the One God don't count when they vote you.

[Fener]

I am back for a bit. But only for a moment. I have had a ton of work to do due to the short week. Sorry about the lack of participation this game but I have really been hit at work.

Will try to get caught up.

[Telas]

Fener, on 20 November 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am back for a bit. But only for a moment. I have had a ton of work to do due to the short week. Sorry about the lack of participation this game but I have really been hit at work.

Will try to get caught up.

Shows up as soon as he is getting some heat ...

[Atrahal]

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Fener is praying to the One God:

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6 Worship/cycle: the votes of other players who do not pray to the One God don't count when they vote you.

That doesn't sound like what Ampelas said. I think it's something different. That says nothing about being able to counteract it with 3 Worship. Also it doesn't sound like something which would specifically inform other people that they couldn't vote the guy who initiated it. I assume with that you can vote them but you wouldn't realise your vote didn't count.

[Telas]

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Fener is praying to the One God:

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6 Worship/cycle: the votes of other players who do not pray to the One God don't count when they vote you.

That doesn't sound like what Ampelas said. I think it's something different. That says nothing about being able to counteract it with 3 Worship. Also it doesn't sound like something which would specifically inform other people that they couldn't vote the guy who initiated it. I assume with that you can vote them but you wouldn't realise your vote didn't count.

It is my best guess.
And you CAN counteract this with paying 2 worship.(praying to one god every cycle ...)

[Atrahal]

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Fener is praying to the One God:

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6 Worship/cycle: the votes of other players who do not pray to the One God don't count when they vote you.

That doesn't sound like what Ampelas said. I think it's something different. That says nothing about being able to counteract it with 3 Worship. Also it doesn't sound like something which would specifically inform other people that they couldn't vote the guy who initiated it. I assume with that you can vote them but you wouldn't realise your vote didn't count.

It is my best guess.
And you CAN counteract this with paying 2 worship.(praying to one god every cycle ...)

Then it definitely isn't that - as Ampelas said 3 Worship.

[Atrahal]

Actually, I wonder if it's possible that Tellan has resorted to doing that Praying to the One God thing. It's the same cost as doing Sacrosanct, but without the area effect. Obviously, he has to do it every day to avoid punishment, but then he might have presumed that he'd have to do Sacrosanct every day anyway.

Incidentally, I have never written the word sacrosanct quite so much.

[Telas]

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Actually, I wonder if it's possible that Tellan has resorted to doing that Praying to the One God thing. It's the same cost as doing Sacrosanct, but without the area effect. Obviously, he has to do it every day to avoid punishment, but then he might have presumed that he'd have to do Sacrosanct every day anyway.

Incidentally, I have never written the word sacrosanct quite so much.

Don't think so.
Praying means you have to do it everyday and if there are lots of people praying to one god it will be useless.

[Atrahal]

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Actually, I wonder if it's possible that Tellan has resorted to doing that Praying to the One God thing. It's the same cost as doing Sacrosanct, but without the area effect. Obviously, he has to do it every day to avoid punishment, but then he might have presumed that he'd have to do Sacrosanct every day anyway.

Incidentally, I have never written the word sacrosanct quite so much.

Don't think so.
Praying means you have to do it everyday and if there are lots of people praying to one god it will be useless.

Yes, but let's face it, how many do you think are invested in praying to the One God? I wager almost nobody. The risk would not be so great if you are confident you can consistently produce enough Worship, plus it means other people can't hide in your Sacrosanct shadow.

I agree that it's equally possible neither he nor anyone else has done that - but it shouldn't be excluded either.

[Ampelas]

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Fener is praying to the One God:

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6 Worship/cycle: the votes of other players who do not pray to the One God don't count when they vote you.

but I can vote for him if I pay 3 worship EVERY day

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on 19 November 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

These are posts that caught my eye for one reason or another. Some I comment on, others I don't. I guess you could call it a partial summary if you wish. It's rather long, so I'll spoiler it. And I run into the "too many quote blocks" error, so paginated as well. Appreciate the folks giving me benefit of the doubt last week on post count.

Spoiler

From Ruse post 44

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CoV - The Northern Desert / Square of Camels

Nepeth - The Nepeth Empire / Ishktar Oasis / The Nepeth Barracks

HoA - Qaurter of Coin / Ishktar Oasis also Khalif's Palace

GoB - The Mirror

NP - Square of Camels / Khalif's Palace / Quarter of Coin

Qadi - The Northern Desert

Khans - Road to Ishktar Oasis / The Horse Plains

Ruse missed the Khalif's Palace HoA person. Easily believable. But,

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Ruse post 63




"Right. And so the biggest possible alliance is 3 factions after which point one of the 3 will be unable to ally with every other faction so the alliance can't get any bigger. So if the Nepeth agree to ally with the HoA they can also get the CoV or the NP into their alliance. But that splits up the game neatly into players who are part of that alliance and players who are not probably with roughly equal numbers to each side. I think it's riskier than waiting though - let's say the Nepeth agree and the CoV join in too. Then mostly just from bad luck a few CoV and Nepeth players are crippled or killed in the first few days/nights. It'll be too late for the HoA to turn around and try to join the Qadi and NP who are now doing well. But instead of the HoA waited and saw the Nepeth/CoV going downhill they could ally up the other side without having made any animosity.




I guess there's advantages and disadvantages to either method but I still find the earlyness of it rather curious. Maybe one of the HoA players has an alliance-proposing-related ability. "

Seems off to me for some reason. HoA player signaling the alliance proposal HoA player?

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Telas p71




"The location analysis is pretty much useless imo. It's all speculation and even if we all knew where everyone was at the start of the day,It would be useless by now as people can move. "

Yes people can move and I seriously doubt that all members of any given faction started at the locations Ruse teased out. But people had to start somewhere and I don't see anything 'useless' in trying to figure that out.

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Galain p80

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Ruse, on 12 November 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Maybe them sheep shit gold?

If you find a market for sheep shit, then yes."

Somebody has a decent grip on economics.

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Telas p77

"But imagine for a minute,If Bacon was sold at 10 times its current price.Would people still buy it?

No.Because there is a certain equilibrium between demand and prices. "

Somebody else doesn't. If bacon was to suddenly jump to ten times the current price and there's a monopoly on bacon, then yes, some people will still buy it. That equilibrium thing you mentioned.

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Ruse p97

about Karosis:

Okay then go ahead and don't participate on thread. Just makes you look even more like you are focusing entirely on some major and complex role "

Yeah, that's easy to agree with.

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Atrahal p116

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"Well, people don't have to know other people to go culture hunting. You just do this: "hey, that guy was kinda sorta defending/not fully committed to the last lynch train, he MUST be on the same faction! Get him!"

The reasonable voices who would normally step in to say "but even if by some chance they were on the same faction, they most likely wouldn't know it, so the argument is invalid", would instead keep quiet, because otherwise they would know the mob would get them next. And that's how it works! "

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Tellan p117

"The first lynch or CF is where the Culture hunt will really begin and people can use thread comments to start tying them together. It's also why you don't see many players wanting to open themselves up quickly.




Basically a regular faction game with all the behind the scenes shenanigans adding multiple layers of in thread effects."

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Ruse p131

Quote from Sorrit then:




"Dunno what exactly but this post really pings my gut. Maybe its that you talk about there being 5 factions + Qadi when you then list the 6 in the next paragraph? It makes me think you are Qadi and haven't bothered to really think about the other factions because you are alone and just want to kill them all.




The last Qadi had a big string of bad luck but was dreadfully powerful so I'm going to follow my gut and

Vote Sorrit"

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Atrahal p173

"Breaking away from this to concentrate on the game for a second, my current thought is that Ruse might be the Qadi.




He's by far and away the top poster (not afraid of saying anything because he's immortal?), he's the only person to lay a vote so far (no one else in his faction?), and the person he's laid a vote on he suspects of being the Qadi (easiest to accuse someone of what you yourself are).




Or perhaps he just wants us to think he's the Qadi by playing this way. Anyway, those are my brunch thoughts. "

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Karosis p175

"Given that this game is going to be more fun with active players, and given that it will be played mostly behind the scenes and that it is necessary to play to do that, I am going to throw the suggestion out there that we should just lynch one of the people who are gonna get mod-killed. That way it's a little less likely to break the game if they get mod killed.




On that note,




vote Tennes




He is the first one I notices as not having checked in. Who are the others? I am thinking Fener, Korvalain, Tulas Shorn? Anyway, if people like this idea for a Day 1 lynch, I would be willing to move my vote amongst those players. If not, well I am open-minded, but I don't really see any great cases right now. "

Nothing obvious here, but Karosis does develop a sorta strange obsession with Tennes later.

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Karosis p178

"Yeah one post on Day 1. Okay so...




remove vote

vote Tulas Shorn "

Switched vote to a no-show.

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Ampelas p185

"Vote Tulas




I think no one predicted a day one lynch. Yet I would rather Tapper's game not broken as much as possible. "

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Fener p187

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

I am here. Getting caught up. "

Time is important maybe. Somebody else is going to mention this later on.

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PS p196

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:35 AM




A Slaver Camp is established in the Northern Desert.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 November 2012 - 09:39 AM"

16 minutes after Fener showed up.




End of section 1.

For someone who wanted everyone to lynch him because he didn't have time to play a day ago you sure are putting in a lot of time now.

[Fener]

Karosis, on 16 November 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Oh, incidentally, I will say it right now, I AM Guild of Beggars. I invite all my guild pals to vote me so as not to give yourselves away. A lynch will not be successful against me.

Seriously WTF!!

[Fener]

Tellan, on 18 November 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

Diplomacy. Less complicated than Eclipse. Far less complicated than this monstrosity.

haha YOU!

[Telas]

Seriously Fener.
raising your post count like this??????

[Fener]

Tellan, on 18 November 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

So, I was going back over things after the Sacrosanct first went up, and one reaction immediately caught my eye. It is this player's only posts in the last 3 days.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Ok I am back for a second. The silencing of Ruse is kind of funny. At least it has cut down on his spam. I agree that the use of the sacrosanct is a desperate gamble to prevent being lynched. The fact that Tellan had the most votes at the time of its use is either a play to keep himself from being lynched or someone setting him up to be lynched. Either way I think that we have to lynch him. At first read I thought that the case on him was crap, but he barely defended and didn't try to deflect at all. Then he dropped off and the sacrosanct was implemented.


Vote Tellan

Just a quick aside. You can't defend something without actual accusations.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

That's a good point. It's possible that if we attempt to lynch Tellan, and he's on the sacrosanct ground, then we might still have enough time to try to lynch someone else.

Lynching him gives us alignment information either way. If we want to have a second lynch today then we need to lynch in the next couple of hours.



Edit: Changed won't to want

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 15 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Whoa

remove vote

I'm just checking back in and there has been a lot going on since I last was on. My inital vote on Tellan was to try and get some information out of him. I never intended for it to be snowball into a full fledge lynch mob. I've got to get to work so I'll try and do a read up when I get there but I have a meeting first thing so I won't be able to dive into the last 3 pages for a few hours. I think Day still has about 5 hours to go right?

Get back here and read what is going on so if we have to get a second lynch in today then we can.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

That's a good point. It's possible that if we attempt to lynch Tellan, and he's on the sacrosanct ground, then we might still have enough time to try to lynch someone else.

Lynching him gives us alignment information either way. If we want to have a second lynch today then we need to lynch in the next couple of hours.



Edit: Changed won't to want

I'm not sure but I think a non-lynch lynch would take us straight to dusk. Maybe PS can clarify?

Yup. No 'let's resume day' or anything, nor CF.

bugger

So, you have someone come from out of the blue to try to press for two immediate and quick lynches on other players. There is little regard to the repercussions of the actual fallout from two quick lynches of unknown factions, and obviously little attention to the thread being paid as well, considering the fact that they didn't know one lynch would end day.

Methinks could be 1 man Qadi faction.

Na not Qadi, just to busy to play properly, but nice to see that you and Emur are thinking of me

[Path-Shaper]

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

Incidentally, I have never written the word sacrosanct quite so much.

Or perhaps,

[Telas]

Vote Fener

cos he is getting on my nerves.