[Bantato]

For all you Rothfuss fans out there, here's a discussion thread about his book to be, The Doors of Stone. Beware, all those who haven't read his previous novels, there are spoilers
Here are my theories.

Spoiler

One thing I haven't seen mentioned (though maybe I missed it; there's a lot here) is that we might be making some faulty presumptions about certain clues.
Kvothe says early in Name of the Wind something about having to kill an angel and then something about tricking a demon. Of all the speculations I've read in several forums, angel seems to be presumed to mean a female (and is thus guessed to be perhaps Denna or Auri) and demon presumed to mean a male (sometimes guessed to be Haliax or another of the Seven.)

What if we're wrong in those presumptions?

What if Denna is the 'demon'? Oh, maybe not in the strict sense of the word, but then again maybe that, indeed.

There's a moment when Kvothe says "Be gone demon!" then switches to another language [presumably to say the same thing]which made Bast laugh out loud. Then, switching to a third language,Kvothe/Kote says: "Aroi te denna-leyan!"

If he was still saying "Be gone demon"...it's intriguing that the word "Denna" is in the sentence of the third language.

Or, I suppose "Demon" Devi could be more than just a nickname, but that seems a little too obvious.

To continue the thought on angels and demons, what if the angel is a male? Maybe Bast. Maybe one of the Amyr. Maybe...Elodin? Admittedly, we don't know specifically what Kvothe means by 'angel.' There is the actual assumption that he kills one of Tehlu's "angels".

Other theories:
* Meluan Lackless as Kvothe's aunt: well-supported by contextual clues, the Lackless limerick little Kvothe sang that upsets his mother, and most tellingly by Arliden's song about his lovely wife that ends"Not tally a lot less" [as Kvothe had understood when he heardit...but which seems suspiciously like "Natalia Lockless/Lackless"]

* Chronicler somehow also being a Lockless relative (Lochees isn't a million miles from Lochless or Loecles or the other variants)

* the Lockless Box containing the moon's name, as stolen by Jax

*Kvothe's thrice-locked box containing his name,thus explaining why he's currently powerless (in the framing story)

*Auri as Princess Ariel

*Master Ash, Denna's patron could be Cinder (get it ASH and CINDER coincidence or not)?

* I can't help but have a feeling that Puppet will and that guy in the sort of asylum Elodin has (What's his name, and/or the asylum's name?) will play a huge role in the end game of the book

* Elodin may just be Taborlin the Great...

Those are just a few. What others have you people got?
EDIT: I have a question concerning naming, let's say someone found the name of water. Would they also have to know the name of hydrogen and oxygen too? It doesn't make sense how people know the names of things without knowing the names of the components that make the thing
EDIT2: Aaaaaaaww.. this thread's dead now!

This post has been edited by Bantato: 10 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

[Baco Xtath]

Check out all the theories at a forum of Ice and Fire here http://asoiaf.wester...rs-speculation/ if you want a complete and badass rundown of theories and wild speculation. Don't care much for the forum overall but their Rothfuss threads are really good.

[Baco Xtath]

You neg. rep'd me for being helpful? I wasn't being an asshole, I was just saying here's pages and pages of theories and speculation that I thought were really interesting. That you took that as an insult is interesting.....weird, but interesting.

[worry]

I say we kill him.

[Baco Xtath]

 worrywort, on 27 October 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

I say we kill him.

That may be a little heavy handed but I like your style.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

When's the release date?

EDIT: Also, Bantato, the people on this forum are all a little crazy, so don't take anything they say too seriously

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 28 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

[Bantato]

The release date isn't confirmed, but expect it to come out in 2013.

This post has been edited by Bantato: 29 October 2012 - 07:43 PM

[James Hutton]

 Bantato, on 28 October 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

The release date isn't confirmed, but expect it to come out in 2013.

You got that from a Deck of Dragons reading? Crown must have been the centre card!

As long as Rothfuss doesn't pull a GRRM on us, I'm fine

[Brujah]

The Doors of Stone?

Is that a book based on the movie The Doors by Oliver Stone?

I keed, I keed.

I've only read The Name of the Wind, but I'm not sure it ill read the rest. I heard so much about how good this series was, but I was fairly disappointed with the first book. It has great potential, but It's just really boring, imo. There's not nearly enough action, although as a drama book, it would he decent, but I read fantasy novels for action. Kvothe's story about growing up is really good, ill give it that. It's heart-wrenching and sad, yet uplifting at times, but it just stagnates for me, especially towards the end with the entire scenes devoted to walking around in the woods playing with the dracconus. I mean come on. I was bored out of my mind. And the beginning when he's fighting the spiders. Spiders? Stone-like spiders with razor legs. Horrible.

Anyway, if you read my posts, I've yet to dislike any of the discussed books that I've read, and I apologize if I'm coming off wrong, but I just really couldn't get into this book. The next one has to be much improved if i am to finish the series.

[Bantato]

 Brujah, on 28 October 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

The Doors of Stone?

Is that a book based on the movie The Doors by Oliver Stone?

I keed, I keed.

I've only read The Name of the Wind, but I'm not sure it ill read the rest. I heard so much about how good this series was, but I was fairly disappointed with the first book. It has great potential, but It's just really boring, imo. There's not nearly enough action, although as a drama book, it would he decent, but I read fantasy novels for action. Kvothe's story about growing up is really good, ill give it that. It's heart-wrenching and sad, yet uplifting at times, but it just stagnates for me, especially towards the end with the entire scenes devoted to walking around in the woods playing with the dracconus. I mean come on. I was bored out of my mind. And the beginning when he's fighting the spiders. Spiders? Stone-like spiders with razor legs. Horrible.

Anyway, if you read my posts, I've yet to dislike any of the discussed books that I've read, and I apologize if I'm coming off wrong, but I just really couldn't get into this book. The next one has to be much improved if i am to finish the series.

Read the second book, sure, most of it is time at the University, but when he goes on a "vacation" things really pick up, like when he learns how to fight from the Adem. I'm also pretty sure he'll get expelled right at the start of the 3rd book, so that leaves us with more Kvothe time. More NAMER and FIGHTER Kvothe time.

[Brujah]

I enjoyed the University stuff. I even like the musical stuff. And although I know the Chandrian seem badass, the rest of the antagonists are boring. So yeah, once we see some powerful Kvothe vs HUMAN BADASSES, not spiders, draconnus, or ANY BEAST, then I'd be happier. Like I said, the potential for an amazing story is there, but it seems wasted on paltry stuff in the first book. I know a hero has to grow, but the pace is too slow so far.

I grabbed book 1, along with book 1 of black company, and first Dresden files book all at same time. The black company book was freaking awesome, and its like 30+ years old. Dresden Files are amazing, as I'm now on book 5, so yeah, I was disappointed in Rothfuss so far, but ill give the second book a chance if its 'waking up.'

[James Hutton]

 Brujah, on 28 October 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I grabbed book 1, along with book 1 of black company, and first Dresden files book all at same time. The black company book was freaking awesome, and its like 30+ years old. Dresden Files are amazing, as I'm now on book 5, so yeah, I was disappointed in Rothfuss so far, but ill give the second book a chance if its 'waking up.'

I did the same! During my holiday I read the Books of the North by Cook, Name of the Wind by Rothfuss and Storm Front by Butcher. My response was that I immediately ordered the second Cook series (Books of the South) and Rothfuss' second book, and re-read NotW. I never touched Storm Front again, nor ordered more Butcher books....

I might get shot for this.

Don't tell Abyss.

This post has been edited by James Hutton: 28 October 2012 - 02:23 PM

[Baco Xtath]

I listened to the audiobooks of both so it was really tough to draw comparisons in names and spellings. But I think Rothfuss has created a wonderful model of having fans write a book for him. I mean, I've seen some really really good theories and possible stories emerge from all the speculation that people have pulled from his books. Seriously, if he didn't already know where he was going with his story, he could just read the threads I linked above and let it write itself.

That said, I think he's going to have a hell of a time completing this saga with just one more book (without it feeling completely rushed) but if it takes him another three or four, hell, I'm in.

And the narrator for both books, Nick Podehl, is possibly the best narrator I've ever listened to. I wish he'd read me to sleep every night (and I don't care how gay that sounds......it's true).

[Bantato]

 Baco Xtath, on 28 October 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

That said, I think he's going to have a hell of a time completing this saga with just one more book (without it feeling completely rushed) but if it takes him another three or four, hell, I'm in.

True, after all the foreshadowing on Kvothe's part at the Waystone, I feel even a book with such large pages and huge page count (much like the Malazan Books) could finish the story, but rumor has it that there will be an extra trilogy taking place after this one set in present day (in the book). Where Kvothe ditches his Kote status and most likely will tie up a lot of loose ends in the previous books.

Spoiler

Like maybe Kvothe finally kills the Chandrian, as Kote says in TWMF that they're still alive, by this I mean during an interlude, so he's not telling a story anymore.

This post has been edited by Bantato: 29 October 2012 - 07:39 PM

[Cause]

Spoiler

I mentioned this theory before but nobody really seemed to pay it much attention at the time. Cant remember which forum I posted it on though.

Anyway i think the University Archives are run by the Amyr or at least closely aligned. What do we know? The Archives have been carefully pruned of useful information on the Chandrian. When Kvothe tried to research the topic he was strongly discouraged by Loren (Did loren have such a strong reaction to Kvothe, and keep him out of the Archives in part because of this?). We know the Archives have a special acquisition team that's composed of men half librarian and half commando.

I think its all strongly hinting at that the Archives, perhaps the enitre university itself are working against the Chandrian.

[Bantato]

 Cause, on 29 October 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Spoiler

I mentioned this theory before but nobody really seemed to pay it much attention at the time. Cant remember which forum I posted it on though.

Anyway i think the University Archives are run by the Amyr or at least closely aligned. What do we know? The Archives have been carefully pruned of useful information on the Chandrian. When Kvothe tried to research the topic he was strongly discouraged by Loren (Did loren have such a strong reaction to Kvothe, and keep him out of the Archives in part because of this?). We know the Archives have a special acquisition team that's composed of men half librarian and half commando.

I think its all strongly hinting at that the Archives, perhaps the enitre university itself are working against the Chandrian.

Interesting theory; what if Master Lorren is an Amyr in hiding, that's really unlikely. Related to the Amyr closely perhaps?

This post has been edited by Bantato: 29 October 2012 - 07:42 PM

[Cause]

 Bantato, on 29 October 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

 Cause, on 29 October 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Spoiler

I mentioned this theory before but nobody really seemed to pay it much attention at the time. Cant remember which forum I posted it on though.

Anyway i think the University Archives are run by the Amyr or at least closely aligned. What do we know? The Archives have been carefully pruned of useful information on the Chandrian. When Kvothe tried to research the topic he was strongly discouraged by Loren (Did loren have such a strong reaction to Kvothe, and keep him out of the Archives in part because of this?). We know the Archives have a special acquisition team that's composed of men half librarian and half commando.

I think its all strongly hinting at that the Archives, perhaps the enitre university itself are working against the Chandrian.

Interesting theory; what if Master Lorren is an Amyr in hiding, that's really unlikely. Related to the Amyr closely perhaps?

Could very well be a full Amyr. I doubt they go around tattooing their arms in blood anymore. Still I don't believe its possible that an library as closely guarded and as big as the Archives could have books go missing and replaced with false ones uness they are in on it. In fact the enitre problem of not knowing how to sort the books could be a purposeful tactic to keep thousand, hundreds of thousands of books essentially lost even though they are right their. Where better to hide a book than in a stack of books

[Durhang]

On the re-read through the series, one thing that always annoyed me was the Ademre's insistence with man mommies. But after some thought, is it possible they are just biologically unique as a people? You have Eloden's naming class citing examples of creatures with bizarre birth methods. Either the culture as a whole is terribly ignorant in that one specific regard despite a cultural enlightenment and openness on many other subjects. Alternatively the practice asexual reproduction, but then all parents would look like children. The women talk about their 'time to ripen,' and then having a child thereafter. Do they just have a more selective fertility cycle? They are ready to have a child only when they wish. It would certainly be convenient for a female dominated and travelling warrior culture.

[End of Disc One]

Can't read this topic since I'm not caught up but I thought this was funny: http://www.goodreads.../show/327213074

[Cause]

 Durhang, on 07 November 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

On the re-read through the series, one thing that always annoyed me was the Ademre's insistence with man mommies. But after some thought, is it possible they are just biologically unique as a people? You have Eloden's naming class citing examples of creatures with bizarre birth methods. Either the culture as a whole is terribly ignorant in that one specific regard despite a cultural enlightenment and openness on many other subjects. Alternatively the practice asexual reproduction, but then all parents would look like children. The women talk about their 'time to ripen,' and then having a child thereafter. Do they just have a more selective fertility cycle? They are ready to have a child only when they wish. It would certainly be convenient for a female dominated and traveling warrior culture.

I think its just a case of Rothfuss trying to create a unique culture and getting carried away. I think he also uses it to poke fun at pure logic. Which while not exactly a theme of his writing is something he does often. Qvothe tells the adem to look how other mammals mate and draw the obvious conclusion. The girl Adem tells him that's faulty logic and he agrees that's its a false analogy. Qvothe's world does not understand evolution so I guess its strictly true that the analogy cant be accepted but nonetheless we must marvel at an entire peoples stupidity.

Also Remember Qvothe knows magic, knows the Chandrian are real, had sex with a fairy but mocks Vintish superstition about shamble men.

There is also a ridiculous conversation in the book during one of elodins classes where one of the students descries how all finite things are finite.