[Sorrit]

Olar Ethil said:

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Sorrit said:

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Emurlahn said:

1351016669[/url]' post='1003368']This could get crazy as some FM's will know others are in their former alts and be going after them pretty hard. Good thing for us to keep an eye on.

When Olar player jumps to somebody else tonight and there is still an Olar alt tomorrow, then Olar the player will know that the day 2 Olar alt is an FM? Won't that make it more difficult to find them? Assuming Olar the playr is smart, the last thing he would want to do is push a lynch for Olar the alt.

I hope this is just hypothetical? Unless you truly believe I am an FM? Why would the FM want to jump into my body? think about it, he'd have to keep up a high post count AND be under suspicion from other players. It would be much easier to just jump into Telas as he only has the one post and you could use a multitude of reasons for increasing your content.

Did you forget you were playing this game by the way Sorrit? Or did you put enough posts in your other alt that you thought it would be okay to post in this one now? One alt posted this morning for a bit and now this one posting tonight? Your posts have a "feel" to them and they do feel familiar.

I was online when the game started but did not see anything worth posting about. Except the sheep. I had the sheep comment open but decided it would be impolite to accuse an entire nation of molesting sheep without being around to listen to them attempt to defend themselves.
Was I being hypothetical with that scenario or accusatory? Bit of both actually. I was mildly suspicious about you discounting the names in favor of the envelopes. But you answered that plausibly.

[Olar Ethil]

Out of the three people up i'd be most willing to vote Liosan. Emurlahn has made some decent posts. Lio immediately appeared after being voted, made a post or two and then disappeared. I think the vote scared him a little even though it is only day one. For now i'm going to vote him until he arrives and gives me an alternative for the lynch.

Vote Liosan

I think Korvalian is scummy as hell but that is partly because he is voting for me but mainly because of his middle of the road style of play so far, yes he has voted but he hasn't given us much else. I think he is lying low and beneath notice just how I would think an FM would play day one. Him or Tulas are the main ones that stick out for me.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 55 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Liosan ( Emurlahn, Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Atrahal )
2 Votes for Olar Ethil ( Karosis, Korvalain )

Players not voted: Fener, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

[Karosis]

ok i have got back from work and training now and will be on around,on and off for a few hours . On my brief read through i see no reason to change my vote. Whilst Olar has got less annoying im getting a vibe that he's trying too hard to make it seem like he's protecting himself from FM jumps. So im going to go through another read of the last 2 pages (because the first too will make me gouge my eyes out) but for now im happy with my vote.

[Sorrit]

Olar Ethil said:

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Sorrit said:

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Olar Ethil said:

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Sorrit said:

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"Wouldn't you like to see Sir Francis Walsingham plotting against Markus Wolf or Rameshwar Nath Kao?"
"With respect, Sir, they are all dead and Walsingham lived 400 years before Wolf or Kao."


The envelopes seem to me to just be a way to get the person into the office. Notice he leaves them on the desk after the boss turns away.
So why are you de-emphasizing the names? I had heard of two of two of them but googled all 3. All 3 seem to be considered to be hall of fame nominees for their peculiar game.

The three names given in my opinion are legends in their own right. It's like someone saying saying what would it be like if Washington, Churchill and Hitler were all in the same room playing cards who would win. I imagined the envelopes would be three modern "heroes" or "legends to be" being pitted against each other. I didn't see a reason to look up the names seem as though they are supposed to be dead. I don't see what you're getting at here, it'd be good for us to find out or at least speculate how many FM's we are working with so we can play accordingly.

Fair enough. I took the names to imply that those names would be in the game. We just both coming to the same conclusion based on two different pieces of the puzzle? At least 3 FMs?

Personally I think there are 3 but Meanas/Sorrit thinks there could be 4 or 5.

Okay I don't know why I lumped you with Meanas with re checking the posts but he was the first alt that came to mind whilst talking to you. I had a conversation with him earlier on and it rang very similar to the way I'm talking to you. Be back in an hour

It was posts 69-78. You, Meanas, and Liosan. That conversation made me look at the wording used on both the envelopes and the names.

[Sorrit]

Karosis said:

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ok i have got back from work and training now and will be on around,on and off for a few hours . On my brief read through i see no reason to change my vote. Whilst Olar has got less annoying im getting a vibe that he's trying too hard to make it seem like he's protecting himself from FM jumps. So im going to go through another read of the last 2 pages (because the first too will make me gouge my eyes out) but for now im happy with my vote.

This vibe you are feeling combined with

Osseric said:

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Korvalain said:

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Back and read up through the spam. I think Olar's over the top spamming and bad poetry are so he can change play style completely when he jumps.

I think all the guys who are going over the top to be hard to copy are probably going to end up FM's

Makes me want to vote Olar Ethil. But he makes a compelling argument why he would be stupid to play that way as an FM.
There is still plenty of time yet though. Galain has me watching him too. It is day one. A bad case may be the only case we'll get.
Korvalain and Osseric make my radar blip just a bit due to them pointing fingers but mostly disappearing.

[Emurlahn]

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 23 October 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hey look, I posted 4 times and am now one of the top 4 posters... analyzing post count on the first half of day one is a little misleading. Thats why no one ever really goes after low posters day one. It takes time to establish that you are playing the game and set aside times for posting, almost like a routine ( at least thats how it is for me anyway.) Though I do agree with Galain, early on in a game like this, FM can do whatever they want as they will be jumping alts. Though this is complicated by the fact that FM sometimes need a day to prep who they are jumping into. If thats the case in this game, that would lead me to believe that Olar is a less likely FM candidate. The fact that 90% of his posts are spam, and he is calling out low posters is odd though. Should we all just spout poetry and try t get our post counts up just to avoid lynch? It doesn't work like that.

My posts have included spam but have content within them. The ones I highlighted early were the ones that were in the middle of the pack. I don't think the FM's would be as careless as to be the lowest posters but I can see them in the middle of the pack. That is why I listed those 4. There were at least 4 other names that had fewer posts than those and I didn't include them in my thoughts.

I'll reference my other post... you can't really judge high vs. low posters less than halfway through day 1. Though now that we are down to 12 hours left and Telas still has 1 post...thats...not helpful. It would be a perfect place for a FM to jump. In fact, i'd be willing to vote Telas, he is either a a non posting RI who is bored and prime FM fodder, or he is a FM laying low, or he is unable to properly participate because of RL issues and, still, is FM fodder. I would be willing to get on a vote for him. This isn't a normal scum vs. town game regardless of circumstances, you need to post in this game.

[Telas]

Sorry guys, got slammed at work today so haven't had as much time as usual to post.

Still like 10 hours before time out, so now that I am at home, will take the time to read through the thread and post my thoughts. Please don't vote me out!

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 23 October 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 23 October 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hey look, I posted 4 times and am now one of the top 4 posters... analyzing post count on the first half of day one is a little misleading. Thats why no one ever really goes after low posters day one. It takes time to establish that you are playing the game and set aside times for posting, almost like a routine ( at least thats how it is for me anyway.) Though I do agree with Galain, early on in a game like this, FM can do whatever they want as they will be jumping alts. Though this is complicated by the fact that FM sometimes need a day to prep who they are jumping into. If thats the case in this game, that would lead me to believe that Olar is a less likely FM candidate. The fact that 90% of his posts are spam, and he is calling out low posters is odd though. Should we all just spout poetry and try t get our post counts up just to avoid lynch? It doesn't work like that.

My posts have included spam but have content within them. The ones I highlighted early were the ones that were in the middle of the pack. I don't think the FM's would be as careless as to be the lowest posters but I can see them in the middle of the pack. That is why I listed those 4. There were at least 4 other names that had fewer posts than those and I didn't include them in my thoughts.

I'll reference my other post... you can't really judge high vs. low posters less than halfway through day 1. Though now that we are down to 12 hours left and Telas still has 1 post...thats...not helpful. It would be a perfect place for a FM to jump. In fact, i'd be willing to vote Telas, he is either a a non posting RI who is bored and prime FM fodder, or he is a FM laying low, or he is unable to properly participate because of RL issues and, still, is FM fodder. I would be willing to get on a vote for him. This isn't a normal scum vs. town game regardless of circumstances, you need to post in this game.

That would be effectively condemning a townie though, by that reasoning. Don't you want to wait and see if something changes about Telas (or, perhaps even worse, doesn't change?). There are a few semi-cases rolling around, I think it's worth more exploring those than holding our hands up and just voting off 'fodder'.

[Atrahal]

Speak of the devil....

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 23 October 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

One thing I overlooked but just noticed.. if one FM jumps, but another jumps into the alt he is leaving... then that alt doesn't die... we could have multiple jumps but no deaths. This could get crazy as some FM's will know others are in their former alts and be going after them pretty hard. Good thing for us to keep an eye on.

Ah, good old extended explanation of what is already in the OP. Posts like this actually make me like my vote on you.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 10 hours and 58 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( Emurlahn )
2 Votes for Olar Ethil ( Karosis, Korvalain )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Atrahal )

Players not voted: Fener, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 23 October 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 10 hours and 58 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( Emurlahn )
2 Votes for Olar Ethil ( Karosis, Korvalain )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Atrahal )

Players not voted: Fener, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

My vote not count anymore?

[Sorrit]

Atrahal said:

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Emurlahn said:

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One thing I overlooked but just noticed.. if one FM jumps, but another jumps into the alt he is leaving... then that alt doesn't die... we could have multiple jumps but no deaths. This could get crazy as some FM's will know others are in their former alts and be going after them pretty hard. Good thing for us to keep an eye on.

Ah, good old extended explanation of what is already in the OP. Posts like this actually make me like my vote on you.

I would agree but up until Emurlahn reworded it that way there was talk of the Snguko 3 game where the FM could control two alts. Liz's spin is to turn that inside out. Two or more players can end up controlling just one alt.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 10 hours and 42 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Liosan ( Emurlahn, Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Atrahal )
2 Votes for Olar Ethil ( Karosis, Korvalain )

Players not voted: Fener, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

[Telas]

Sorrit, on 23 October 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Good question.

Quote

If two players target the same alt, they both jump into that alt and have to share it.

Could the two FM talk to each other then?

I'd be interested in knowing this too. 2 people in one alt could be an interesting way to play. I mean, there are a few issues that come to mind with this:

1 - Can two people be posting / logged on to the same account at the same time? If one logs on while the other is writing a post, will it boot the other person in the alt?
2 - Can they communicate? The only way I could see them having any off thread communication is through the role PM to Path-Shaper. If they aren't allowed to chat using that PM, how are they supposed to tell Path-Shaper where they are going to jump for the following night action? Finally, how is PS going to keep track of which person jumps into which alt among the pair. I mean, if it's via the role PM, then the two alts will potentially know the player names, otherwise how else is PS supposed to differentiate?
3 - PS says that if only one of the alts jumps out, the one left behind dies. I think it would be pretty obvious to the people using the alt if there were someone else using the same alt (i.e. posts they didn't make coming from that alt) so I guess this is just there to force people to jump into another alt.

Anyway, it's going to be interesting if any of the FMs manage to jump into the same alt. PS says there's a limit to the number of people in a certain alt, wonder what that limit is, and wonder what happens to the people who want to jump into the alt that surpass that limit.

[Telas]

There's a whole lot of spam on this thread.

Few things I wanted to point out....

Firstly, all the rhymes and limericks and haikus and stuff are stupid. It's not terribly hard to find a website with all the stuff you would need to copy that style. I think it'd be easier to spot a FM jump using posting times, and by paying attention to the way people rationalize their voting and whatnot. Not to mention, the thread would be much more interesting to read. I got through about 10 of Olar's posts before I just gave up on trying to read everything. Anyway, if I were a FM, I'd be jumping into someone who has been doing the really obvious stuff as it would be much easier to replicate, imho.

Secondly, the three envelopes in the OP have nothing to do with the FMs. Those were the files that the guy was delivering to the boss before the boss even gave him an assignment. So I am thinking that 5 FMs is more likely.

Thirdly, yall are wankers.

Fourthly,

vote Olar Ethil

I think he's likely a FM who thinks he's got us all wrapped around his finger.

[Karosis]

ok on my reread i can definitely see where people are coming from on the emurlahn thing. some of the "tips" he gave to fnms from jumping in to you are so wrong that it does make him look suspicious.

remove vote
vote Emurlahn

[Sorrit]

Telas said:

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There's a whole lot of spam on this thread.

Few things I wanted to point out....

Firstly, all the rhymes and limericks and haikus and stuff are stupid. It's not terribly hard to find a website with all the stuff you would need to copy that style. I think it'd be easier to spot a FM jump using posting times, and by paying attention to the way people rationalize their voting and whatnot. Not to mention, the thread would be much more interesting to read. I got through about 10 of Olar's posts before I just gave up on trying to read everything. Anyway, if I were a FM, I'd be jumping into someone who has been doing the really obvious stuff as it would be much easier to replicate, imho.

Secondly, the three envelopes in the OP have nothing to do with the FMs. Those were the files that the guy was delivering to the boss before the boss even gave him an assignment. So I am thinking that 5 FMs is more likely.

Thirdly, yall are wankers.

Fourthly,

vote Olar Ethil

I think he's likely a FM who thinks he's got us all wrapped around his finger.

Why 5 FMs? We know there are 2 because sharing is possible. "unusual high amount" says 3 at minimum. What makes you think 5 instead of 4 or 6?

[Osseric]

Sorrit, on 23 October 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Makes me want to vote Olar Ethil. But he makes a compelling argument why he would be stupid to play that way as an FM.
There is still plenty of time yet though. Galain has me watching him too. It is day one. A bad case may be the only case we'll get.
Korvalain and Osseric make my radar blip just a bit due to them pointing fingers but mostly disappearing.

who have I pointed a finger at apart from a joke 'catch' on fener?