[Tellan]

Meanas, on 12 October 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Fener: Hasn't posted a whole lot, but when he does post they are well-thought out posts. Agreed with the Sorrit case, doesn't necessarily see TS as scum based on Korv's case, gives me shit for not refuting Sorrit's OMGUS case with facts right away (I did refute later, by the way). He's playing more or less safe, doesn't seem to be making his own cases, just commenting on other people's cases, which is safe scum play, but also safe town play. I'm on the fence re: Fener at the moment.

Galain: Basically has had a massive boner for Tellan since Day 1. Waffles re: Sorrit vote, first he says the Sorrit case does seem reasonable, but then says he isn't all that sure about the Sorrit case, and would rather vote of Tellan, Tulas Shorn or me. (shocker!) Could be scum, could just be a townie with a boner for Tellan. I think probably the latter.

Karosis: Hasn't been around much. Basically just throws in a comment here and there, without much substance to his vote. When we were discussing the Sorrit case, the only other person he mentioned being suspicious of, really, is Tulas Shorn. Basically tried to set up a Tulas vote today while it was still Day 2, which is kind of scummy.

Meanas: The coolest person to ever walk the Earth. Obviously an angelically innocent townie who is only looking out for the rest of you!

Olar Ethil: I get townie vibes from Olar. He makes strong, reasoned arguments, and though he doesn't really make any cases of his own, he's not blindly following people on the lynch trains. He thinks I'm suspect, but hey, that always seems to happen to the active players. Regardless, I think he's probably town, or at least less suspect than some of the others on this list.

Osseric: Sorrit had noted that he felt Osseric was a little suspect during Day 1, if I'm not mistaken, but never elaborated, cause he was too busy going after me. Osseric doesn't feel the Tulas case is/was strong. Figures if Tulas is anything, he's a symp, and that we should be going after Tellan instead. Wasn't against the Sorrit case. Otherwise, not too much is standing out to me on him. He could be scum based on his allowing other people to lead him thing, but I think he's probably just a townie who doesn't want to paint a target on their back.

Tellan: Everyone seems to be suspicious of Tellan. I figure that today's lynch is gonna end up being either Tellan or me. Guess we shall see. The thing about Tellan is that he's playing it as an angry townie, swears at everyone, basically calls us all idiots, that type of stuff. He voted for the Sorrit lynch, he even pushed for it. I think that he's probably my favourite right now for scum, though he's not been high up on my list for a couple of days now.

Tulas Shorn: Posted enough on Day 1, but I am having a very hard time coming up with any form of useful content from him for Day 2. I never got a scum vibe from him, and I'm gonna stick by that. I think he's probably a townie.

So all in all, it seems to me that Tellan is the most likely scum of those left, with Galain and Fener in close second. Looking forward to hearing from the rest of you today!

So reading this - I seriously get symp vies - 2 reasons -

1.Gives Tulas Shorn, Fener and Olar a hand job - says Osseric and Galain are maybe scum and appears to be tryng to point the lynch towards me based on his summary of how everyone seems to feel (see also his thoughts on Galain, Osseric and myself)

2. Says He is probably a target for today, its going to be between he and I. I really dont like that post at all. Why the hell do you think your even a target? I forgot your ass was playing until this post. I would much rather go after someone present and a viable lynch target. My initial thoughts were Osseric, and I am still not sure about him, but based on your post, I would say 1 of the hand jobs is scum and 1 of your "not sure" is scum. Based on your post, I am inclined to lean more towards Galiin, because of his massive boner for me - This would be you trying to keep me from sniffing around and keep the finger pointed at me at the same time.

Not sure where to go with this, but I am holding my vote until we can get together, dont want a vote out there for scum to jump on.

[Tellan]

And to everyone thats all whiney about 3 dead town - get the fuck over yourselves, stay focused on the game and lets lynch a freaking scum. Bunch of sissies.

[Fener]

Checking in before I have to rush to work.

The comment about Crusaders had me confused, but I think they probably relate to this comment by PS:

Path-Shaper, on 09 October 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

They stood with the rest. Not better. Simply . . . chosen. They were the tools of something greater, and they would perform as required, despite the distaste of the job.

So I too think they are probably our roled town, in which case it sucks that we've lost so many, and we are going to have to do this the hard way now if we want to catch scum.

Not much time to post my thoughts, but Korvalain's summation of Tellan's attitude in this game really resonated with me. And in fact, Tellan's comment on what Korvalain had to say was the perfect example of that attitude: Name-calling and dismissiveness. It's one thing to play the game aggressively, but not responding constructively to accusations is a good way to look scummy.

Further thoughts when I've managed to catch up properly, and not until after I've made it to work.

[Karosis]

One thing I want to say. Its never a good idea to discount someone from being scum. It may narrow your search, but it blinds or limits your vision of all connections that could implicate olar or others as scum

[Karosis]

Anyone else here?

[Fener]

I'm sort of here. Is there something you want to discuss?

[Karosis]

if you're at work and read up maybe we can discuss the points in the most prominent cases as well as the situation with numbers and if its close to dday.

[Fener]

Bleh. Too late. I'll be back in an hour or so.

Meanas' thoughts on D'day seem pretty reasonable. With 13 players, 3 scum looks about right.

Tellan is still bothering me, he almost seems too abrasive for the amount of attention he has gained, I'm starting to wonder if he is trying to distract from something.

Anyway, back later.

[Karosis]

I dont expect anyone else to show up anytime soon, so I'm out too.
I think tomorrow will ve our last chance to lynch scum if we dont today. I'm keeping my eyes on Meanas, though, for instead if casting suspicion on some in his last post, he tries to prevent it from falling on others. And scum love lists. Id bet that if Meanas is scum, his partner is one of the people he framed as townie seeming.

[Fener]

Karosis, on 13 October 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

I dont expect anyone else to show up anytime soon, so I'm out too.
I think tomorrow will ve our last chance to lynch scum if we dont today. I'm keeping my eyes on Meanas, though, for instead if casting suspicion on some in his last post, he tries to prevent it from falling on others. And scum love lists. Id bet that if Meanas is scum, his partner is one of the people he framed as townie seeming.

Please tell me you don't actually think Meanas is scummy because he listed his thoughts on every player.

[Karosis]

Nio, not really. It was there to add some hymor

[Galain]

shit 2 innos dead overnight? well that sucks.

Will do a reread and see what jumps out at me

[Galain]

first thing i notice is that telann is starting to seem more reasonable yay

Meanas's list is giving me the wrong vibes but im not sure why, i think its partly because of the comment him being a likely target today. Comments like that always rub me the wrong way.

On the crusader thing, yeah id imagine it's probably what the roled innos are called in this game which really sucks losing 2 in one go.

[Fener]

Galain, on 14 October 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

first thing i notice is that telann is starting to seem more reasonable yay

Meanas's list is giving me the wrong vibes but im not sure why, i think its partly because of the comment him being a likely target today. Comments like that always rub me the wrong way.

On the crusader thing, yeah id imagine it's probably what the roled innos are called in this game which really sucks losing 2 in one go.

To be fair, there are three separate people on the previous page, and at least one on the page before that, indicating that they are suspicious of Meanas. There is legitimate reason for Meanas to feel threatened, even if it seems a bit odd that he would bring it up.

[Olar Ethil]

Afternoon everybody. I'm currently working on a case, hope to be able to post it soon. Hope you all had a good weekend, and filled it with insightful thoughts about our current predicament.

[Meanas]

Considering several people said that they were suspicious of me during previous Day I don't understand why everyone is so shocked that I feel like I am probably a target today. That being said, had I not said anything about it you all would have used that as 'proof' that I was just trying to deflect from myself and that it MUST mean I am scum. I was simply trying to summarize what I was reading on thread in as unbiased a way as I could.

Anyway, we shall see how today goes, yeah?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Fener, Galain, Karosis, Meanas, Olar Ethi, Osseric, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Fener, Galain, Karosis, Meanas, Olar Ethi, Osseric, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

[Olar Ethil]

Ok, so over the weekend I had a read over the whole thread a few times, and this is what I've come up with, what stood out the most to me. Not to beat around the bush, I'll say right now that this is a case on Karosis being a killer, with Meanas a symp, and most likely either Galain or Tulas Shorn as the other killer. Some of this is me drawing my own conclusions, and quite a bit of it is putting together previous opinions/thoughts stated by others.



A LOT of this case is based on Meanas' posts, (which might be worth keeping in mind) which to me seem to always be deflecting attention away from Karosis. On the other hand, almost none of it is based on Karosis' posts, which might seem pretty strange for a case built against him.



But for someone who, aside from myself, is the highest poster still alive, he has surprisingly little to say.



Anyway, here's the whole thing (I have also put in post numbers so you know where to go if you want to see more of the context of these posts):





Ok, the first post from Meanas comes after Karosis has two votes on him, at the beginning of day 1. His very first comment is to discredit it.



(post #12)

Meanas, on 09 October 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Hello everyone! Just checking in, not too much on thread yet, cept for a bogus 'case' against Karosis.

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(post #23)

Galain, on 09 October 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

ok not a lot seems to be happening. Spite made a joke vote, sorrit for some reason decided to add to it. Right now that makes me more suspicious of sorrit and spite than Karosis because that could quite easily be some sort of signalling.

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Meanas goes for it again – this time more forcefully, moving attention to Liosan (also turns out to be inno).



(post #40)

Meanas, on 09 October 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I think it's interesting how Liosan is trying to spread suspicion around as soon as Karosis gets a vote. He even throws in a post about how Karosis' typo was a signal, just to distance. I smell something unpleasant.

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I come in and weigh in with my opinion, Meanas responds to what was a conversation between myself and Galain in order to add some reason to grouping Spite and Sorrit together – despite the fact that he was looking at Liosan just a little earlier. Anything but Karosis, eh?



(post #45)

Meanas, on 09 October 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 09 October 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Galain, on 09 October 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

i would say from the way its done that sorrit is a symp and probably spite is one of the killers but its a very vague hunch so im not putting too much store in it right now but it might be worth more later.

Really? Are you serious? You realise that would be like the dumbest symp and killer play ever, immediately voting the same way. I could go with Sorrit may be a symp just trying to start some trouble and confusion, but two scum immediately highlighting themselves?

Although, in a really stupid way, that would make it the smartest play ever....because it's so dumb!

But no, in all seriousness, I think that's stupid.

Mafia's interesting like that. It goes in waves. Sometimes the smart play is to be smart, sometimes the smart play is to be dumb. It depends on how the game's been played most recently, given how much we all play. I think lately we have been doing the smart play thing, so maybe it's not a bad idea to look at the obvious plays. Not saying I believe there is a connection between Spite and Sorrit, just saying we shouldn't discount any playstyle.

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Here are Meanas and Karosis both. This is just after Tellan lays a third vote on Karosis – suspicious to Meanas, who immediately tries to discredit it.



(post #77)

Meanas, on 10 October 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Karosis, on 10 October 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Yeah, we're not even halfway through day 1 and tellan puts me at almost half the votes needed to lynch, in his First post

I agree, this is even more suspicious than Liosan's many attempted cases.

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Meanas goes back to his original tactic, making up a case on Liosan in order to try and move the votes away from Karosis.



(post #81)

Meanas, on 10 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Here are Liosan's first five posts:

Liosan, on 09 October 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Quiet interesting . How there is more activity in SH rather than here.

Completely useless post # 1 that does nothing to add to the game. (aka post padding)

Liosan, on 09 October 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Have you noticed how we all try to be funny but we are only pathetic?

Completely useless post # 2 that does nothing to add to the game. (aka more post padding)

Liosan, on 09 October 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Karosis, on 09 October 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

My bad in saying spite in my earlier posts. I ment sorrit

Ment ?
whats that mean?

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Liosan, on 09 October 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Meanas, on 09 October 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Lord, this has been an historically boring day. LoL.

what? you want us to entertain you ?
Whats the purpose of that LoL at the end of you sentence ?

Oh wait, let's throw some suspicion at me too! What the fuck do you think a LoL at the end of a sentence means?

Liosan, on 09 October 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Galain, on 09 October 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

ok not a lot seems to be happening. Spite made a joke vote, sorrit for some reason decided to add to it. Right now that makes me more suspicious of sorrit and spite than Karosis because that could quite easily be some sort of signalling.

for now though back to dinner

Who is signalling and who is getting signals ?

Again, a kind of stupid question, don't you think? If there was any signalling in the noted 'case' then it would be Sorrit signalling Spite. It makes no sense for it to be otherwise. If, as usual in these types of games, there are two killers and a symp, then the killers know each other, and the only person who would have to signal is the symp.

Happy now fucker?

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Galain comes on again, though here he does say the attention may be being diverted from Karosis. But it's possible he just threw that name in there while really wanting us to keep looking at Liosan.



(post #87)

Galain, on 10 October 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

ok back briefly, and telann seems to have gone crazy. Not sure what to make of that, it almost seems like he wants us to lynch him with how stupid his play is. It is possible he could be trying to divert attention away from someone, but im not entirely sure. my first guesses would be Karosis or Liosan as they seem to be the most talked about so far.

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[Olar Ethil]

I just want to include this quote from myself so that I’m not accused of ommitting anything Here, I too appear to suggest that Karosis might not be a good option for a lynch. But then it turned out neither was Liosan.



(post #106)

Olar Ethil, on 10 October 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Hey hey, anyone else have trouble getting on to the site - couldn't make it load for hours. I'll be around on and off for the day.

The Karosis train is coming from I'm not sure where, but I had to laugh at Tellan's attitude - I guess that's one way to treat day 1

I currently have absolutely no strong feelings on anyone, though Tellan's play strikes me as the least likely to be a killer. Symp having fun, sure, but killer doesn't seem likely to me. Of course, if he is a symp having fun, then Karosis is not likely to be a good choice for a lynch.

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Tulas would go on to point out that this post below of Karosis’ was quite the exagerration, though he didn’t press it. This is also pretty much the only thing Karosis himself comes up with to try and stop the votes on himself.



(post #123)

Karosis, on 10 October 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Korv defended fener by using him as an example and throwing tellan under the bus. Suspicious...

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Galain adding impetus to the Tellan or Liosan argument. Interesting because afterwards….



(post#151)

Galain, on 10 October 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

ok reading back through all that was kind of painful to my eyes :S Right now im very tempted to just vote Telann because he's so annnoying but he's probably not a killer being that annoying to people.

Liosans posts definitely seem to be an awful lot of nothing with repeated statements that he's doing something, Sorrit is another one who seems to be in the "whole lot of nothing" camp. So I could quite happily vote for either of them right now.

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In the two posts below, we see Meanas and then Galain vote Liosan. Galain even says ‘he’s not that convinced on Karosis’, even though by this point Karosis doesn’t even have any more votes on him anyway.



(posts # 161 and 162)

Meanas, on 10 October 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Galain, on 10 October 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

well one of the posts i quoted is actually just that sentence so that shouldnt be too hard for you to find

Im not stopping you posting, im just pointing out that its a lot of rubbish, and you can't stop me

I think I've made it clear that I agree with this. In fact, given that nothing more interesting has popped up (though I'm keeping my eye on Tellan. I've never yet seen scum actually post the way he is, but that could make it a perfect cover for scum).

For now, seeing as we're approaching end of day (we're what, like 4-5 hours off?)

vote Liosan

Galain, on 10 October 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

I will go with that since i think there is something odd about him and im not really that convinced on Karosis.

Vote Liosan

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Ok, so that was day 1. And you can see that it’s pretty much Meanas and Galain that I’ve been focusing on. But unfortunately it’s not that tidy. Here I have to introduce another character – Tulas Shorn. Korvalain made a case on Tulas, and, though I think the case itself was made for the wrong reasons (distraction from Tellan, supposed hesitation at hammer time), there is still something about Tulas which may connect him to Karosis, as I’ll get to below.

Korvalain, on 11 October 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Case on Tulas Shorn - Post #212.

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Now, remember, day 2 has started, Liosan turned out to be town and Emur died in the night. Also remember that Meanas commented on the suspicious nature of Tellan’s play on day 1. Yet, here he is now agreeing with Tellan and quickly hopping on to the vote on Sorrit placed by Tellan – in much the same way that Tellan had hopped onto Karosis to try and get a train going on day 1.



To me, this really looks like trying to get a train going on someone before the name of Karosis pops up again.



This is also where Tulas crops up again. Meanas doesn’t like the votes on Tulas, and this could be another reason why he is so eager to drop votes on Sorrit.





(post #215)

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Tellan, on 11 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Cripes, sorry everyone! Not going to lie, work has been insane and all I can say is sorry, I forgot completely that I was playing this game

Current impressions, from the quick catch up I just did, is that there seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness in this game. Can't pinpoint it at the moment, but hopefully a reread will give me something more concrete.

I also want to look at Emur's interactions, because it looked like he was getting a bit of heat, and it seems strange to target someone who could potentially be lynched off.

In terms of Tellan, I think that we should at least give him a chance today. If he continues to be unhelpful it might be an idea to lynch him, but at this stage irritating play is not really a valid reason to vote for someone.

OK...please....please dont vote for me.....I swear...I will try to do as you sk and really put alot of thought into my posts....please god, just...dont lynch me....I ...I care so much about your opinions....


Fucktards my Karosis vote early day 1 got the ball rolling and conversation moving....my switch to Sorritt was the most serious thing I did, because I sincerely believe he is scum, based on his reaction to my vote. hats where I will land today. And finally My vote on Liosan was because at that point it was him or me, he gave me a third vote, so I had no choice but to land on him andlet you guys decide. Although I wasnt nervous, because fuck...I am awesome at this shit.


So get over yourselvs and read between the lines, if you dont like my stlye and think I am a distraction, vote or get off the pot...for the rest of you


Vote Sorritt

I think that those voting for Tulas Shorn are doing so on a very slim case. I guess there's not much else to go on, but come on. You're voting him for not wanting to vote off a townie / not wanting to hammer. No one really wants to hammer if they don't have to, so I think he was just trying to stay in the game in order to root out the real scum.

Though I didn't much like the case on Day 1 against him, I keep coming back to Sorrit. I need to take some time to do a good reread of his posts to really hit the nail on its head, but for now, to add a little pressure of my own:

vote Sorrit

[Olar Ethil]

Now let’s see what Sorrit has left us. So Sorrit turned out be town, and not just any town either. And here is his own case on…Karosis and Meanas (with Spite a symp). I was initially put off this case when Sorrit first made it because he seems to try too hard to act like he’s being framed – throwing out things that no one had even mentioned yet. But, of course, with Sorrit’s CF things take on a new meaning.



I think, though, that Sorrit went for the wrong guy in Meanas. I think Meanas’ behaviour is far too risky for another killer – trying to bail out their partner, as in Sorrit’s case, to such an extent not only risks drawing attention to yourselves, but at the same time connects the two. This is bad for scum if they are killer and symp, as I believe, but just downright awful play if they were both killers – and I don’t think anyone here is that bad



(post #223)

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Had a good read up and formed some theories.

Spite (symp) Karosis and Meanas killers. Possibly.



Why?


I'll go through it now. The Spite early vote I still think was signalling. I have always thought it was a signal. Meanas immediately calls it a bogus case. Meanas then finds Lio suspicious and attributes this behaviour to Karosis getting a vote. yet he doesn't find Karosis suspicious. He goes on to say there might be a connection between Spite and I but leaves out Karosis.

Emur questions Spite and I somewhat and is night killed. Easy for the killers to point some fingers my way.

Karosis' posts do nothing to make me think he could be not a killer. He did nothing yesterday that helped town significantly.

Meanas then finds Tellan suspicious and agrees with Karosis to do so. Yet Meanas then goes on to add more pressure on Liosan.

Then the key to yesterday in my opinion was Spite removing his vote off of Karosis. It made him a lesser train. Classic that although Spite brought him up first his vote was never going to end up on Karosis.

After this Meanas proceeds to vote for Liosan. For what reason?

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In fact, given that nothing more interesting has popped up (though I'm keeping my eye on Tellan. I've never yet seen scum actually post the way he is, but that could make it a perfect cover for scum).

For now, seeing as we're approaching end of day (we're what, like 4-5 hours off?)

vote Liosan

Spite joins the train a little later.

Karosis doesn't even have to switch. He is on a seperate train to Meanas which is what scum would want to do.



I am convinced that one of Karosis/Meanas is scum.



Going off that Meanas was "suspicious" of Tellan yesterday but follows his vote today on gut alone says a lot. So therefore



Vote Meanas

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This is Fener’s response to Sorrit’s case. As you can see he actually mentions in passing some of the same connections which I am now expanding upon in some detail. Fener doesn’t agree too much with the case itself though, mainly because of the Spite involvement, which I also agree with and was a weakness of Sorrit’s case.



(post #231)

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Based simply on his own merits, I wouldn't say Karosis' actions paint him as scum. It could be siad that he is flying under the radar, but that is not something that is specific to scum. It is interesting that Karosis has been mostly left out of signalling discussions, but Meanas is not the only one to do that. Galain was the first to bring up signalling, and specifically discounted the possibility that the signalling was aimed at Karosis. I do think it could be significant that Meanas attacks Lio for spreading suspicion of signalling cases, and not Galain.

I'm also not seeing where Meanas and Karosis agree that Tellan is suspicious.

From what I can see, your whole case is based on the idea that Spite's initial vote was a signal. It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I haven't seen anything else to suggest that Spite is a symp. If the initial vote was simply a joke, it would make sense that Spite would remove it to jump on the main train.

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Sorrit points out Meanas’ inconsistency in being suspicious of Tellan and now voting with him, and his ommission of Karosis’ name earlier.



(post #236)

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

I'll respond tomorrow when I've got access to a computer. Trying to quote and reply is tough from the phone. Tellan was and still is a viable lynch target with his play so far so I don't know what he did to appease your distrust of him. You follow him on the vote today but you were suspicious of him yesterday. You purposefully omitted Karosis' name from your posts regarding the votes from Spite and I. You also think that a killer wouldvote the way I did first of all. If you do lynch me today I'll laugh my arse off in spoiler heaven with how stupid everyone is for listening to you.

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This post below is from when I was see-sawing between Sorritt and Meanas. I point out that Meanas’ argument here is much like the one he himself dismissed about Tulas, and that he is painting Sorrit into a corner from which he can’t escape one way or the other.



(post #249)

Olar Ethil, on 11 October 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Sorrit spent a good chunk of yesterday bitching about low posters, but the moment that Tellan makes a comment about how voting off the low posters never works anyway, he does this:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

REMOVE VOTE


VOTE TELLAN

OMGUS!

Voting Tellan on an OMGUS case. He then does NOTHING for six whole hours. He admitted that he had no backup for this case except for the OMGUS, which is a lame reason to vote someone, really. (I'll note that he has done it again today against me the moment I put some pressure on him).

Anyway, after the six hours he pops on and says the following:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

I'm going to bed so will not be around for resolution. Hmm there is not much to go on. I'll do one more read before placing Mg vote...

…but never actually moves his vote. He tried to apologize today, to downplay how suspicious this is, but I don't buy it. At this point there were 3 votes on Liosan, 2 votes on Tellan and a vote on Korv and Sorrit each. The Tellan train wasn't really going anywhere, enough people had said on thread that they didn't really believe that Tellan was scum for him to easily deduce that it would probably be a stalled train, so he should have at least moved his vote to Liosan, don't you think? Except maybe he didn't want to be seen as 'ensuring the Lio lynch,' a 4th vote would certainly have made Liosan the lynch du jour.

He then goes to bed, the Lio lynch goes down, and Emu is NK'd. Not much information to be had in all of that, really. And then, he comes on says:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

I'm around. I didn't lay a vote down because I wasn't sure on who to go for and I already had a vote on Tellan which I was more than happy with

Trying to cover his ass. He didn't want to be seen to ensure the lynch of a townie by moving his vote, and then he comes and covers his ass today to make it look like he did it because he was happy with his Tellan vote, which was, by his own admission, a vote for an OMGUS case. Sloppy, and not very good. This is why I think Sorrit is scum. I apologize for taking so long to get this on thread, but it's been a bit of a hectic morning here at work. Lunch break's nearly over, so will be going back to work, but I should have time to play a bit more this afternoon. And if all else fails, I'll participate more after work.

But on the fifteenth hand, I don't particularly agree with the reasoning of this case. It's along the same related lines as the reasoning for voting Tulas, which Meanas himself dismissed (i.e. "he's suspicious because he didn't lay a vote"). It's weakened for me by the fact that Liosan was inno. At this point it wasn't really apparent that Liosan was going to end up the one lynched - a Sorrit vote would have strengthened that fate immensely. Would scum really take that risk?

Yes, I see the point Meanas is making, that Sorrit would then have stuck out - but now he's making it into a Cache-22 argument - Sorrit looks scummy because he didn't vote for Liosan, but if he voted for Liosan then he would have looked scummy.

This is Korvalain’s conclusion from his assessment of Sorrit’s case on Meanas. I think he makes a good point (obviously) about focusing more on the relationship between Karosis and Meanas, and also points out that Meanas’ behavious is more symp-like.



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Korvalain, on 11 October 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Again, ok, meh, case. I think it could have focused a bit more on the relationship between Karo and Meanas, since Meanas is disavowing Karo like crazy at the moment. But that is more symp behavior, right? Which means lynching Meanas would be, well, useless.

I also think there is more to Spite than stated in that case, but again, I'm working my way through this Segment of 36 Hours with Korv, so the show must go on!

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This post from Sorrit on Karosis takes on a different reflection now that we know Sorrit was very much town.



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Sorrit, on 12 October 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Karosis, on 12 October 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

On the Sorrit accusations:
I think the OMGUS accusations, while true, have little evidence pointing to sorrit being scum. However, sorrit has tried salmost too hard to be a helpful townie, and when he realized this, his play became too erratic, and he panicked.this has been done before, and i've grown suspicious of it. There's only one way to truly tell if sorrit is scum...

Vote Sorrit

Ps. This is not an OMGUS vote from sorrits accusations against me.

Karosis, on 12 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Fuck, i just re read over the TS case, which also seems like a generally sound case. Though i still think Sorrit has with more suspicious actions and each of more obviousness than TS's, it ks often small slip ups that catch scum, not big ones. However, there is too much pointing to Sorrit. I will stick to my guns for now. However, if Sorrit turns up inno, I'll beed to take a look at TS again. If he truns up scum, we all know the drill. Connections, connevtions, connections.

Sory for the meandering post. Very tired

Karosis, on 12 October 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

I'm off to bed. I know i waited less than 30 minutes but im drifting off as i type... Night all

Did anyone else read this?

The most scummiest posts we have had so far. Setting up future targets. Not really convinced on me but enough to vote and then disappears. The wording of those posts are just wrong.