[Karosis]

Sorry i've been gone for so long. I have football practice (american footbll) now so can't talk.

[Korvalain]

Osseric, on 11 October 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Awesome, looks like the thread really picked up.

I think that based on the case against TS he's more sympish than scum. Worth looking into for sure but I don't believe lynching him will tell us much.

I'm still most suspicious of sorrit.

I think you killed the thread.

:pokes it warily with a stick:

[Korvalain]

@TS - I know, "pathologic" has such a nice ring to it.

I guess I disagree with the concept that Tellan is playing too "carelessly for scum." People can get away with a lot on Day 1, and once the initial reaction to the penis was benign, he just kept going crazy. The problem was not putting pressure on him, which as you and I both know is a good way to let anyone skate by. Red flags go up in my head when people discount others as being scum, especially when they do so emphatically.

As to your comment about OE annoying you, yeah I could see and understand that. It's odd though to play this game and not be confrontational (and btw, the method used to go after OE was, what I'd call, confrontational).

Finally, it is also understandable not to hammer on a lynch you don't believe in. But you didn't say that. You just hovered and asked if anyone else was going to do the deed. You implied discomfort, but did not discount the case, even when it was gaining steam.

You didn't even place a vote by the end of day 1.

In fact you were one of three who didn't vote, the other two non-voters being dead and a single post wonder respectively. Great company to be among.

[Olar Ethil]

I'm finally back, gonna read up and see what's to see.

[Korvalain]

Welcome back to 36 hours and it is now time for our special segment, "Fact Checking with Korv. "

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So since we have several cases floating around, I figured I need to hack some of them up so see if there is true wood behind them. So let's start with Meanas' case against Sorrit.

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Sorrit spent a good chunk of yesterday bitching about low posters, but the moment that Tellan makes a comment about how voting off the low posters never works anyway, he does this: Inaccurate. Sorrit was responding to a vote placed on him by Tellan.

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

REMOVE VOTE


VOTE TELLAN

OMGUS!

Voting Tellan on an OMGUS case. He then does NOTHING for six whole hours I know! That is bad move grasshopper. He admitted that he had no backup for this case except for the OMGUS, which is a lame reason to vote someone, really. (I'll note that he has done it again today against me the moment I put some pressure on him actually, this would be his first OMGUS case by my records, but who's counting ).

Anyway, after the six hours he pops on and says the following:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

I'm going to bed so will not be around for resolution. Hmm there is not much to go on. I'll do one more read before placing Mg vote...

…but never actually moves his vote. This is a very good catch, especially with the "Freeze" case sorrit created (however jokingly or seriously) within the first moments of the game. He tried to apologize today, to downplay how suspicious this is, but I don't buy it. At this point there were 3 votes on Liosan, 2 votes on Tellan and a vote on Korv and Sorrit each. The Tellan train wasn't really going anywhere to be fair, neither was the Lio train, relatively speaking, enough people had said on thread that they didn't really believe that Tellan was scum for him to easily deduce that it would probably be a stalled train, so he should have at least moved his vote to Liosan, don't you think? Depends, really hard to say when he failed to give us any good thoughts for the remainder of day 1 Except maybe he didn't want to be seen as 'ensuring the Lio lynch,' a 4th vote would certainly have made Liosan the lynch du jour. This would speak in his favor you know....

He then goes to bed, the Lio lynch goes down, and Emu is NK'd. Not much information to be had in all of that, really. And then, he comes on says:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

I'm around. I didn't lay a vote down because I wasn't sure on who to go for and I already had a vote on Tellan which I was more than happy with

Trying to cover his ass. Indeed, verily He didn't want to be seen to ensure the lynch of a townie by moving his vote, and then he comes and covers his ass today to make it look like he did it because he was happy with his Tellan vote, which was, by his own admission (still trying to find that quote, Korv can not confirm or deny this statement), a vote for an OMGUS case i'd stop harping on your one major inaccuracy... makes you look bad, in a Romney political kind of way. Sloppy, and not very good. This is why I think Sorrit is scum. I apologize for taking so long to get this on thread, but it's been a bit of a hectic morning here at work. Lunch break's nearly over, so will be going back to work, but I should have time to play a bit more this afternoon. And if all else fails, I'll participate more after work.

A fair case, to be sure. You failed to point out how Sorrit was initially trying to lead the game and epitomize the concerned townie and how quickly he toned it down when that did not work to his favor. And your case centers around the OMGUS fallacy when there are a lot of juicy tidbits Sorrit lets slip. I'll try to quote them perhaps at a later time after I finish with this segment on Case vs Fact.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 11 October 2012 - 11:12 PM

[Olar Ethil]

Korvalain, on 11 October 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Ok, just finished a reread of day 1. A couple of things and people jumped out at me that warrant more scrutiny, but to summarize before I begin, the key one that I'm suspicious of is Tulas Shorn. I'll explain why in just a sec.

First of all, here is the essence of what is concerning about Karo:

Karosis, on 09 October 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Well then. Two votes on me while running errands. I see all of your points. Its day 1, but i find it interesting that spite added a pressure vite to a joke vote. Trying to start a train to lynch a townie? Maybe, maybe not. You could just be a townie trying to generate discussion, which i am also trying to do.

This is all too conciliatory, trying to not be offensive, stepping on egg shells, etc. It's the start of the game, and yet Karo is already cagey. Hiding something?



The next observation was done by Fener:

Fener, on 10 October 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

I'm here!

And I'm seeing some pretty latent anger. I know it's been a long wait between Mafia games, but our fix is here now! No need to be grumpy!

To some extent I see the majority of the posts and voting as trying to progress the game, which is great, and difficult to do this early in the game, when everyone wants to be spamming and joke-voting. But I'm really confused by Tellan's post and vote. He's not contributing to discussion, and he isn't joke voting. There is no reason for him to be adding a pressure vote when there are already two votes on Karosis, and he hasn't given that as justification in any case.

To come in with a vote in your first post, and then not justify it, seems so off to me.

This hit the nail on the head. Why is Tellan creating a train on his first post early in day 1? And when people call him on it, he goes nuclear with his penis. My evaluation is he tries to get a vote moving on Karo, realizes people aren't entirely convinced that the Karo case is worthwhile, and backpedals like hell, throwing out random craziness to throw people off the sent (as demonstrated by this quote):

Tellan, on 10 October 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

I agree with everything...

Baaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is a penis shooting at you

==================D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pew pew....nothing to discuss and nothing to contribute. Early day one trains are fun

ALL ABOARD!!!!

DING DING!

And this technique works, as Tulas seems to demonstrate with the following post:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

3rd time on here this AM, keep getting interrupted

Tellan is awfully slapdash, don't suspect him now, could be a ruse I suppose

gonna go back

And that neatly brings me to TS. First of all, this above post bothers me. TS writes off Tellan, quickly, just because of a syphilitic penis. Why? Does TS know something about Tellan we don't? Is TS trying to push people into discounting Tellan?

But then TS says he'll vote for Sorrit if Tellan will just shut up. Which gets called out as suspicious by OE. And TS gets prickly over this call-out.

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

you're making up that it's somehow ominous instead of the sarcasm that it was intended to be

Ok, people get snarky about being called out all the time (looks at Lio ). But I feel this is a subtle slip up on TS's part. He's a little more twitchy than the typical RI (excepting Lio). In fact, he tries to amend his snappishness with the following in red:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 10 October 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

you're making up that it's somehow ominous instead of the sarcasm that it was intended to be

She said, he said. Can't be proven either way now. But I would have loved it if Tellan had come back and just said, 'yeah, ok, do that then', just to see if you actually would have.

I stand by the fact that at this early stage it's worth pointing out anything that strikes us as odd. And that did.

I will not argue with second line, it's generally helpful to town to scrutinize any strangeness

To paraphrase what he is saying: "Ok, Ok, yeah point out any strangeness. It's all good OE. Good job, but just look elsewhere. Just poor wording on my part...."

In fact, TS goes on to act strangely around hammer time. He never hammers, never votes, despite the majority of people deciding, meh, Lio needs to go. That is, imao, more suspicious than hammering. Why so hesitant? On day 1? So finally the below quotes demonstrate this almost pathologic desire not to hammer, to the point of looking for someone else to do it. Read on:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

is't time for me to leave - anybody committed to being here to place the vote?

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 10 October 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

I committed to being here. Bout all I can do TS.

lovely, but you already voted

I don't see the point in waiting much longer

Olar Ethil, on 10 October 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

I'm here.

Vote Liosan

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

well, alright

I'm off

And with the train secure, he leaves.

Vote Tulas Shorn.

Ugh, I WANT to like this case, it's well put-together, but for me it's weakened, not strengthened, by the fact that Tulas didn't hammer. I got the feeling that we would have done it in a minute had I not jumped in (yes, I wanted hammer glory, it's a rush! ). I don't get the sense that Tulas dawdled either from his posts, just that he genuinely wanted to know how everybody remaining felt about it. If Liosan had been a more certain thing, then I would have considered it suspicious, but I doubt many of us very strongly felt that Liosan would come up scum. So in this sense I agree with what Meanas and Fener also said after you posted this case.

[Olar Ethil]

On the other hand, I certainly don't like this from Meanas, a fast defence of Tulas (I'm sure TS can do it himself) and an even faster vote on Sorrit to even out the votes....

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I think that those voting for Tulas Shorn are doing so on a very slim case. I guess there's not much else to go on, but come on. You're voting him for not wanting to vote off a townie / not wanting to hammer. No one really wants to hammer if they don't have to, so I think he was just trying to stay in the game in order to root out the real scum.

Though I didn't much like the case on Day 1 against him, I keep coming back to Sorrit. I need to take some time to do a good reread of his posts to really hit the nail on its head, but for now, to add a little pressure of my own:

vote Sorrit

And added to that, I hate this kind of response to Sorrit's case on him, which is no response at all.

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Heh, cause this isn't OMGUS at all.

Edit: Added, "to Sorrit's case on him" for context.

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 11 October 2012 - 11:22 PM

[Olar Ethil]

But if that's bad then saying things like these are cardinal sins. First, implying that there's a conspiracy out there to get you when no one has even mentioned any links between Emur's death and you. By being the first to point it out, you effectively draw (my) suspicion that you were consciously afraid someone might link you to Emur's death:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Emur questions Spite and I somewhat and is night killed. Easy for the killers to point some fingers my way.

And this is just a really dodgy thing to say.

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

If you do lynch me today I'll laugh my arse off in spoiler heaven with how stupid everyone is for listening to you.

[Olar Ethil]

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Sorrit spent a good chunk of yesterday bitching about low posters, but the moment that Tellan makes a comment about how voting off the low posters never works anyway, he does this:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

REMOVE VOTE


VOTE TELLAN

OMGUS!

Voting Tellan on an OMGUS case. He then does NOTHING for six whole hours. He admitted that he had no backup for this case except for the OMGUS, which is a lame reason to vote someone, really. (I'll note that he has done it again today against me the moment I put some pressure on him).

Anyway, after the six hours he pops on and says the following:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

I'm going to bed so will not be around for resolution. Hmm there is not much to go on. I'll do one more read before placing Mg vote...

…but never actually moves his vote. He tried to apologize today, to downplay how suspicious this is, but I don't buy it. At this point there were 3 votes on Liosan, 2 votes on Tellan and a vote on Korv and Sorrit each. The Tellan train wasn't really going anywhere, enough people had said on thread that they didn't really believe that Tellan was scum for him to easily deduce that it would probably be a stalled train, so he should have at least moved his vote to Liosan, don't you think? Except maybe he didn't want to be seen as 'ensuring the Lio lynch,' a 4th vote would certainly have made Liosan the lynch du jour.

He then goes to bed, the Lio lynch goes down, and Emu is NK'd. Not much information to be had in all of that, really. And then, he comes on says:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

I'm around. I didn't lay a vote down because I wasn't sure on who to go for and I already had a vote on Tellan which I was more than happy with

Trying to cover his ass. He didn't want to be seen to ensure the lynch of a townie by moving his vote, and then he comes and covers his ass today to make it look like he did it because he was happy with his Tellan vote, which was, by his own admission, a vote for an OMGUS case. Sloppy, and not very good. This is why I think Sorrit is scum. I apologize for taking so long to get this on thread, but it's been a bit of a hectic morning here at work. Lunch break's nearly over, so will be going back to work, but I should have time to play a bit more this afternoon. And if all else fails, I'll participate more after work.

But on the fifteenth hand, I don't particularly agree with the reasoning of this case. It's along the same related lines as the reasoning for voting Tulas, which Meanas himself dismissed (i.e. "he's suspicious because he didn't lay a vote"). It's weakened for me by the fact that Liosan was inno. At this point it wasn't really apparent that Liosan was going to end up the one lynched - a Sorrit vote would have strengthened that fate immensely. Would scum really take that risk?

Yes, I see the point Meanas is making, that Sorrit would then have stuck out - but now he's making it into a Cache-22 argument - Sorrit looks scummy because he didn't vote for Liosan, but if he voted for Liosan then he would have looked scummy.

[Olar Ethil]

As you might be able to tell from the above posts, it's a toss-up for me between Meanas and Sorrit. I think one of them's caught scum, but I need to think again about it and read over the thread before deciding.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

I'll respond tomorrow when I've got access to a computer. Trying to quote and reply is tough from the phone. Tellan was and still is a viable lynch target with his play so far so I don't know what he did to appease your distrust of him. You follow him on the vote today but you were suspicious of him yesterday. You purposefully omitted Karosis' name from your posts regarding the votes from Spite and I. You also think that a killer wouldvote the way I did first of all. If you do lynch me today I'll laugh my arse off in spoiler heaven with how stupid everyone is for listening to you.

Here is one for the fact checker - On Sorritt's "Case" against me - he says I cant claim credit for shaking up the thread with my opening post vote and no reasoning as to why I voted Karosis, however, that vote and subsequent no discussion as to why, was in fact a very god way to shake up the thread. You see, I added my vote to the 2 others to make Karosis 3 - this is the first step to a train. By not discussing, I let everyone exclaim and gasp at how freaking weird this was.

Now, I left it there and bullshitted my way through Day 1. It was fun and I was bored. Things in the thread started progressing as day 1's usually do, with a flurry at the end. So when Sorritt went into the - "lets lynch a low poster" bullshit - I voted for him. Again, based only on his wanting to attack low posters, as happens every fucking game ever played. Sorrits next 2 posts - below

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Tellan, on 10 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Fuck them then. No talking about it if they aren't here to do it. Remove the lower posters each game until it doesn't become an issue.

Yes, because this works. Ever.

Remove Vote
Vote Sorritt

Fucktard.

Sorrit, on 10 October 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

REMOVE VOTE



VOTE TELLAN



OMGUS!

For the entirety of Day 1, he was serious and helpful. But a vote against him, and he suddenly wants to get all playful and chummy. This is for 2 reasons, IMO.

1. To waive off the importance of one vote, "nothing to see here"

2. To chum up with me, so that I'll think "Wow, that sorrit guy is easy going and fun, I should remove my vote."

Now, It is not a rock hard case, however, that single event and his reaction to a single vote really pinged my scum-dar (For Morgy, you bastard). So today I am leaning on that. Please noe that today I am his primary target. I am being called to front because I played day 1 loosely. So be it. But fuck you, I play how I want, WIFOM is not a good case and I wont defend myself against it.

P.S. I hate you all and hope that you all feel really bad about not lynching Sorrit yesterday.

[Korvalain]

Welcome back. It is now time for part two and the other side of the issue of Case vs Fact.

We've heard from Meanas concerning the suspicious behavior of Sorrit, but what does Sorrit have to say about Meanas?

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

Had a good read up and formed some theories.

Spite (symp) Karosis and Meanas killers. Possibly. maybe, perhaps, i think, well best guess, ah hell just take it with a block of salt.



Why? Dunno, but you are going to tell us right?


I'll go through it now. The Spite early vote I still think was signalling. Ok we'll grant you this possibility ... for the moment, Continue.... I have always thought it was a signal your initial case fails to make that clear. you seem to imply that Karo was being accused by Spite and "froze" like a caught thief. Meanas immediately well immediately after saying hello and checking in calls it a bogus case. Meanas then finds Lio suspicious and attributes this behaviour to Karosis getting a vote. yet he doesn't find Karosis suspicious. He goes on to say there might be a connection between Spite and I but leaves out Karosis.

This is a good catch by the way. Meanas does accuse Lio of spreading around suspicion (which leads to a whole other series of unfortunate misunderstandings that end with Lio's angry death) right after Karo gets a vote (more accurately, two).

Emur questions Spite and I somewhat and is night killed. Side note, interesting how buddy buddy you seem to be with Spite in these statements, but I digress, Easy for the killers to point some fingers my way. INACCURATE: Actually, Emur comes on and discounts you and Spite, so you end up digging into Emur who then tries to shrug you off his back by conceding some questions directed at you.

Karosis' posts do nothing to make me think he could be not a killer. He did nothing yesterday that helped town significantly. Neither did a lot of people including you, tbh

Meanas then finds Tellan suspicious and agrees with Karosis to do so (do so what?). Yet Meanas then goes on to add more pressure on Liosan. Well, this "sudden" flip from Tellan back to Lio is punctuated by the fetching diagram of Tellan's penis. So understandable how Meanas goes on to pursue Liosan over the junk.


Oh btw, just to make all things equal, BUT MEANAS WAS GONE FOR 17 HOURS BETWEEN HIS CASE ON LIO AND HIS VOTE!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Then the key to yesterday in my opinion was Spite removing his vote off of Karosis. It made him a lesser train. Classic that although Spite brought him up first his vote was never going to end up on Karosis. I thought it was more pertinent that Spite moved his vote onto me, but that may be just my bias. Moreover, Spite made it obvious his vote was a joke vote turned into a pressure vote. Not really all that suspicious removing a vote when your train included the dick and the "freeze" man.

After this Meanas proceeds to vote for Liosan. For what reason?

Quote

In fact, given that nothing more interesting has popped up (though I'm keeping my eye on Tellan. I've never yet seen scum actually post the way he is, but that could make it a perfect cover for scum).

For now, seeing as we're approaching end of day (we're what, like 4-5 hours off?)

vote Liosan

Spite joins the train a little later. Actually Galain is right behind Meanas on that Lio vote.... hmmmmm

Karosis doesn't even have to switch. He is on a seperate train to Meanas which is what scum would want to do.



I am convinced that one of Karosis/Meanas is scum. Elementary Watson?



Going off that Meanas was "suspicious" of Tellan yesterday but follows his vote today on gut alone says a lot. So therefore



Vote Meanas

Again, ok, meh, case. I think it could have focused a bit more on the relationship between Karo and Meanas, since Meanas is disavowing Karo like crazy at the moment. But that is more symp behavior, right? Which means lynching Meanas would be, well, useless.

I also think there is more to Spite than stated in that case, but again, I'm working my way through this Segment of 36 Hours with Korv, so the show must go on!

[Tellan]

OOOOHHHH... I cant wait until ou check mine.... "jumps up and down clapping hands!"

[Tellan]

Also, I am really enjoying your fact checking ability...I will remember this, because you have completely disarmed me with your whit and charm while strengthening and weakening cases, yet not having our own...yet?

[Korvalain]

Patience, there are so many to review

[Korvalain]

Tellan, on 11 October 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Also, I am really enjoying your fact checking ability...I will remember this, because you have completely disarmed me with your whit and charm while strengthening and weakening cases, yet not having our own...yet?

Huh?

[Tellan]

Should be your - I see you working on others, but havent seen yours against of for anyone. My y key sucks

[Korvalain]

And now for Part 3, with our host, KORV!!!!

This case is presented with no bull attached (well, he is a boar, what can you say?).

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

So here is the main issue I have with Sorrit:

Sorrit, on 09 October 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

Say for example your a thief. You creep into someone's house and start packing your bag full of their items. Out of thin air you hear a noise. It is someone saying, "what are you doing?". The natural response would be to freeze. In your head your thinking, "Shit, what do I do? What do I say?".



Karosis comes on and says what he says. Spite jokingly put on his vote. Karosis Freezes. It's very early in the day and I know Karosis is going to come on and laugh it off but i'm going to keep my eye on him. I know the killers would not want to get attention this early and that is why I think he froze. He doesn't know how to respond and he is waiting for others to take up the mantle. Then he can come on and join in the fun again. Nothing big but for now i'll add a bit of pressure too..


Vote Karosis

This is his first post. Karosis has "frozen" (in the opening minutes of the game, when all the previous posts had been "First!"), and so Sorrit is going to keep an eye (and a vote!) on him. Why? He's jumping on the back of a joke vote, but it's not a joke vote wait, you just said it was a joke vote, so confused . He's adding pressure, but there is no pressure to begin with. Very true, so very true. There was no gap between Spite and Sorrit's posts (well, a time gap of like 40 minutes, but shut up you nit pickers!). And that early in the game, to panic over a joke vote would be ludicrous. I mean the real question is, was Sorrit actually serious? (well he was semi serious as we will learn again in a sec)

Then he returns later with a justification for his vote:

Sorrit, on 09 October 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

OMg Lolz!

Spite could just as well have been a signal to Karosis. The fact that it came early would make us doubt it was signalling but JLV did it in one post two games back so it is possible. As it stands Spite's vote was a joke or a signal, mine was semi serious, post provoking game starting. No ones getting it easy this game so why Spites vote? Kind of an odd thing to say btw. He could have voted any of the first few posters so why Karosis? Why did it take so long for Karosis to reply, "what's up ma bitches", sounds like someone who wants to talk or discuss things yet when a vote came his way he said nothing. It's nothing huge but something to keep an eye on. Thirdly or this is my third point why not add to a vote? I'm not afraid to ruffle some feathers, maybe Spites vote is so Shit we look elsewhere day one, maybe he's the symp bringing focus on Karosis or maybe he's the symp signalling Karosis which brings me back to Spite, why Karosis in the first place?

Karosis says later that he was running errands. There is nothing to suggest that Karosis has frozen rather than is simply away from his computer. I find it really strange that Sorrit has defended his vote here, and then changes his vote later to an OMGUS vote. Actually, reading carefully over that last paragraph, Sorrit is beyond OMGUS at this point. In fact, contextually, the Lolz and OMGUS are more in response to the bickering between Meanas and Liosan than actual OMGUS. Don't fall into the same trap Meanas did. It's a doozy. This suggests that Sorrit is not particularly worried about where his vote is going. Well that's a little stretching it for the 2nd vote on someone, don't you think....

The other thing I found odd was this later vote from Spite. I totally 100% agree. Voting for me is always suspicious.

Spite, on 10 October 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Korvalain


Gawd, those posts you just made smack of "look at me be helpful and say tsk tsk calm down you hotheads"

There's nothing wrong with bringing a reasonable edge into the game, but on day one there really isn't "reason", just the same old arguments that pop up every game.

I've never understood the desire to lynch off "reasonable" players with no other reason than "because they are being reasonable". HERE HERE!!! It's just a dumb excuse. Couldn't agree more. And Spite's justification for his vote is that there is no reason on day one? That's stupid. So stupid. We should lynch the idiot. If you want to have discussions that aren't the same as every other day one argument, why are you voting for the one least likely to get involved in those discussions? Thank you kind sir, I have your $100 bill for you waiting after the game.

Spite's vote irritates me, but it's not enough to warrant anything more than suspicion. It's just something I'll be keeping an eye on. Wait... what? OUTRAGE!!!!! No money for you. KILL SPITE KILL SPITE KILL SPITE!!!!!! ... ok sorry, just a moment of OMGUS passion. whew. over now, move along, nothing to see.

Sorrit's behaviour, on the other hand, seems pretty scummy to me. Agreed, seems to be a repeating theme today.

Yeah, this case, weak. And it could have been so much better (esp with a vote for spite). Actually, the behavior of Sorrit at the start of the game, especially in conjunction with his tone change halfway through Day 1, is all very suspect. I think Fener you're case could have been the best yet if you had pursued your analysis of Sorrit with the same tenacity as Meanas. Though you were falling for that whole OMGUS thing...

[Korvalain]

Tellan, on 11 October 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Should be your - I see you working on others, but havent seen yours against of for anyone. My y key sucks

_es it veril_ does. A ver_ shitt_ ke_

[Korvalain]

You missed my case on TS huh? Makes me feel like you just don't care about me Tellan