[Fener]

Well I admit, the OE vote was counter voting, but his was anger voting. Now that I think about it, I really do see the logic in the fact that he thinks, 90%, that I'm not in his faction, therefore he probably isn't in mine. As it was a hasty vote, though, I'm willing to look into more solid cases based on my own speculations, not someone else's. I'm still getting a few thoughts together, but I'm leaving my vote blank for now. I'm uncertain about Olar, even if he is certain of me. I could possibly vote him again. I don't really know what to think of Sorrit, but I don't see him being my choice. Karosis seems more like he could be an assassin, imo, but with the weird assassin mechanics, there's no telling. I'm unsure about Liosan and Tellan, but they seem level-headed and helpful so far. Meanas is flying under the radar, but I can't hold that against him. In summary, I'm re-reading a few pages, then I'll decide the best option, unless the majority comes up with a decent case, then I'd possibly be willing to jump on. I'll be back with a few minor thoughts very soon.

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I'm here, don't lynch me. Looks like this is going down, so I'll give ya'll some information from the scene.

Path-Shaper, on 26 September 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

The paymaster's shed lay in darkness, a black swirling mist which seemed like a deeper hole in the blackness of the night.

The Goblin1 perched on the edge of the roof and dropped in through a narrow window that would have been sufficient to keep out a small child. Landing lightly on the earthen floor of the shed, it paused. A blade scraped free of a scabbard and the white skull of a demon2 emerged from the gloom, pausing as well.

The distance between them was less than a meter, but it was nearly as effective as a wall. Neither moved. Neither seemed to breath.
And that's when the Shadow3 came to life. Boiling out from the back of the shed, it engulfed the two in their standoff. Everything became a blur of motion. Shadow attacked Demon, Demon parried and stabbed towards the Goblin. Goblin leapt into the air and performed a half flip to gather its legs under it. Pushing off of the ceiling it surged downward. The Demon spun and hammered at the Shadow with a double overhead blow. There was a scream, and suddenly where there had been shadow, a man coalesced. A long sword split its skull from the front, held by the demon, and a cruelly curved scythe pushed through his neck from behind, held by the Goblin.4

Again, there was a pause, and the air fairly crackled with animosity. And a promise.

Slowly, both of the remaining combatants drew slowly backwards. The body of their third adversary slid noiselessly to the ground.
In moments, they were gone. 5

But the promise remained.

'

1. The Goblin = Assassin number 1.
2. The demon - assassin number 2
3. The shadow = assassin number 3
4. The Demon and Goblin both attacked the Shadow, killing him.
5. there are two assassins left. The goblin, and the demon.
6. Working with your assumption that all the assassins are an FM or alt jumpers of some kind, of the two assassins remaining, one has 1 (hannya) alt and the other has 2.'



So there is no need to lynch a known assassin at this point. Got it? Also no need to allow them to be killed at night. They just want the other dead, no faction worries.


I am willing to vote anywhere but me.

This post kept bringing me back to it, especially the underlined part, but I wasn't sure what he was saying then. Now we know that Emur was the demon assassin. He was telling us that he was an assassin, hoping we would leave him alone. If they can jump alts an unlimited amount of time, I don't see him bring so worried about this lynch, but seeing as he already died as Korbas, maybe the second time is for good.

I'm thinking that they may have a one time jump ability on their first death, but the underline made it sound like the goblin assassin had two alts, at the same time? The demon, he said, only had one alt. I'm assuming this was because he died as Korbas already. I'm just wondering if he was saying the third assassin had 'two alts' was meant to mean it had it's one time alt jump still, or if it had already taken over the second alt, and was controlling both. What do you guys think he meant?

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

One of you people unvote me, please, just in case neither of one of the assassin's alts have voted yet, they could hammer.

I'm leaving. Will be back in an hour and a half.

Again here, he says in case neither one of the assassin's alts have voted yet. Shadow was dead, as he said. He is the demon assassin, that leaves only the goblin assassin, according to him. He seems to be implying that the goblin assassin could vote for him with either of the two alts? I'm not saying for sure this is what he meant, but I can't figure out what else he meant if he wasn't.

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Also, consider this: There seem to be no killers in the game other than assassins. You lose your only method of killing the other factions if you eliminate one of the remaining assassins, as the other will leave the game (this is an assumption based off other games with independent VCs).

Finally, this post says that if we kill one of the last two assassins, namely him, then the other one would win, and leave the game. Seeing as we weren't informed of this happening, can we conclude that there's still more than one assassin alive? Or has the last one already won, and just sticks around until the end, or until it dies. I could see PS leaving it in, and if it dies, it leaves, but still wins. Or the simpler suggestion is that we still have more than one assassin left. Again, what do you guys think? It may not concern us, but I'd still like to figure out what's going on.

[Spite]

@fener, but we don't have more alts than sign ups. What about paired assassins? Each set has the same name?

[Spite]

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Well I admit, the OE vote was counter voting, but his was anger voting. Now that I think about it, I really do see the logic in the fact that he thinks, 90%, that I'm not in his faction, therefore he probably isn't in mine. As it was a hasty vote, though, I'm willing to look into more solid cases based on my own speculations, not someone else's. I'm still getting a few thoughts together, but I'm leaving my vote blank for now. I'm uncertain about Olar, even if he is certain of me. I could possibly vote him again. I don't really know what to think of Sorrit, but I don't see him being my choice. Karosis seems more like he could be an assassin, imo, but with the weird assassin mechanics, there's no telling. I'm unsure about Liosan and Tellan, but they seem level-headed and helpful so far. Meanas is flying under the radar, but I can't hold that against him. In summary, I'm re-reading a few pages, then I'll decide the best option, unless the majority comes up with a decent case, then I'd possibly be willing to jump on. I'll be back with a few minor thoughts very soon.

I don't see like we need to have fantastic cases since we aren't hunting scum. We just need to eliminate other factions. Unfortunately, all we've done is hit assassins, and there are no clear ties to Galain or Osseric.

[Spite]

vote sorrit

Because we need to start somewhere and he already has a vote.

[Fener]

Spite, on 29 September 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

@fener, but we don't have more alts than sign ups. What about paired assassins? Each set has the same name?

I'm not saying anything about having extra people. If Emur was correctly telling us that the goblin assassin had two alts, it could mean he started in his assassin alt, and at some point used his night ability to take over a second alt, booting that person out of it, thus having two alts at the same time. Emur was definitely worried about ONE assassin, the third assassin, the goblin, according to him, being able to cast TWO votes, and he mentioned it having two alts. He blatantly said it had two alts, and the demon, him, only had one, probably because the demon died once already as Korbas. I'm just speculating. What if we kill the last assassin while not meaning to, and it jumps into one of us. I don't really want to risk being taken over.

[Spite]

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Spite, on 29 September 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

@fener, but we don't have more alts than sign ups. What about paired assassins? Each set has the same name?

I'm not saying anything about having extra people. If Emur was correctly telling us that the goblin assassin had two alts, it could mean he started in his assassin alt, and at some point used his night ability to take over a second alt, booting that person out of it, thus having two alts at the same time. Emur was definitely worried about ONE assassin, the third assassin, the goblin, according to him, being able to cast TWO votes, and he mentioned it having two alts. He blatantly said it had two alts, and the demon, him, only had one, probably because the demon died once already as Korbas. I'm just speculating. What if we kill the last assassin while not meaning to, and it jumps into one of us. I don't really want to risk being taken over.

Ah that makes sense and explains why Emur didn't need extra votes.

[Fener]

As for the paired with same name, I don't see it, because the same person definitely seems like he controlled Mockra and D'riss. They both used bullets, and both misspelled 'Korosis.'

[Fener]

Spite, on 29 September 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Spite, on 29 September 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

@fener, but we don't have more alts than sign ups. What about paired assassins? Each set has the same name?

I'm not saying anything about having extra people. If Emur was correctly telling us that the goblin assassin had two alts, it could mean he started in his assassin alt, and at some point used his night ability to take over a second alt, booting that person out of it, thus having two alts at the same time. Emur was definitely worried about ONE assassin, the third assassin, the goblin, according to him, being able to cast TWO votes, and he mentioned it having two alts. He blatantly said it had two alts, and the demon, him, only had one, probably because the demon died once already as Korbas. I'm just speculating. What if we kill the last assassin while not meaning to, and it jumps into one of us. I don't really want to risk being taken over.

Ah that makes sense and explains why Emur didn't need extra votes.

Galain, the Ouchi captain, also needed an extra vote, but Osseric, the Amako lieutenant, didn't. So I'm not so sure the extra vote was only assassin related.

[Shinrei]

It is Day 6. 12 hours are left in the day. Timer is frozen.

9 players are left alive.


Fener, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan


5 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Karosis: Korvalain
1 vote Fener: Olar Ethil
2 votes Sorrit: Liosan, Spite

Players not voting: Fener, Karosis, Meanas, Sorrit, Tellan

This post has been edited by Shinrei: 29 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

[Spite]

Shinrei, on 29 September 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

It is Day 6. 12 hours are left in the day. Timer is frozen.

9 players are left alive.


Fener, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan


5 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Karosis: Korvalain
1 vote Fener: Olar Ethil
2 votes Sorrit: Liosan

Players not voting: Fener, Karosis, Meanas, Sorrit, Tellan

You counted my vote but not my name Shin.

[Fener]

Liosan, on 28 September 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

Ok so unless I missed something

Hosokawa is missing no one.
Ouchi lost Galain and Emurlahn
Amako lost Osseric and Might have lost Mockra (he was in the Amako camp but was hanging out and was apparently killed by the Amako, so...)

Korbas was just a random fountain of acid.

I can see Emur being Ouchi because it was his second body. I'm thinking Korbas, his first alt, was really the assassin alt. Therefore, Mockra being the first alt, although he was in Amako camp, doesn't strike me as an Amako the same way Emur strikes me as Ouchi.

[Shinrei]

Spite, on 29 September 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 29 September 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

It is Day 6. 12 hours are left in the day. Timer is frozen.

9 players are left alive.


Fener, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan


5 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Karosis: Korvalain
1 vote Fener: Olar Ethil
2 votes Sorrit: Liosan, Spite

Players not voting: Fener, Karosis, Meanas, Sorrit, Tellan

You counted my vote but not my name Shin.

LIES!

[Meanas]

surprised to find you guys playing on what is a Saturday morning for me

[Meanas]

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

It's one thing to be a low-poster, but this on a major scale is getting annoying. There's too many of you not participating nearly enough. You might answer along the lines of "who is to say how much participation is enough?" I would reply that it varies from game to game, but I think we've set a fairly decent pace to be able to keep up with, and half of us aren't helping nearly enough. I have been against this the whole game, but if people keep posting once or twice a day to not get mod-killed, and then wait for the last 5 hours EVERYDAY before finally voting, then we're getting nowhere SLOWLY.

I'm not really into going for low-posters, so I'm only asking for you guys to step it up, at least a bit, and stop waiting until last minute to vote. It's just stretching out the days. If we were waiting and getting more information for doing so, then I'd understand, but no one is really saying much at all, except for 3 or 4 people, so waiting until last minute is just wasting time.

PS said we could still vote, so let's at LEAST have our lynch taken care of this weekend, so that as soon as game restarts, PS can settle Day and Night 6 right away. He may settle the lynch and night as soon as we finish voting, then the clock stays frozen at the beginning of Day 7.

most reasonable rant against low-posters ever

but I agree, sadly I am one of those chronic low posters you mention

[Meanas]

Fener, on 28 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Spite, on 28 September 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

@ my above post... I see Korv as faction more than assassin.

He might be a faction. You guys seem to be forgetting that assassins are taking over peoples bodies. Killing them is potentially killing factions. If Korv is faction, he's not Ouchi, because he was fine with culture hunting them, and he's not Amako, or he would know who their leader is. So he's either that shogun clan, hosokawa, or assassin in it's first body, or already in a faction body. The thing is, all those dead assassins, and we're not exactly sure who's dead from which faction. I'm thinking Emurlahn was Ouchi, though.

you are very concerned about the FM. And you're the leader/captain of the Amako clan?

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on 28 September 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 September 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Then vote, Hop-a-Long Cassidy. You don't have to wait for us just because you're an assassin. I suggest we milk Korv for assassin info and start piling votes on until he spills the beans.

vote Korv

My vote has been on Karosis since the beginning of the day. Jerk.

I think Karosis was maybe FM'd early in the game, remember he started out getting attention for being so smart, then disappeared

EDIT: or it could just over-reaction to scrutiny, but he never even got more than 1 vote at a time

This post has been edited by Meanas: 29 September 2012 - 02:25 PM

[Fener]

Meanas, on 29 September 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Spite, on 28 September 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

@ my above post... I see Korv as faction more than assassin.

He might be a faction. You guys seem to be forgetting that assassins are taking over peoples bodies. Killing them is potentially killing factions. If Korv is faction, he's not Ouchi, because he was fine with culture hunting them, and he's not Amako, or he would know who their leader is. So he's either that shogun clan, hosokawa, or assassin in it's first body, or already in a faction body. The thing is, all those dead assassins, and we're not exactly sure who's dead from which faction. I'm thinking Emurlahn was Ouchi, though.

you are very concerned about the FM. And you're the leader/captain of the Amako clan?

Anyone in a faction knows that their leader isn't the captain. How come you don't know this? Are you the last assassin? You seem worried that I'm concerned about the FM.

To the clans, I think we might be outnumbered by the shogunate. Since Eloth was an agent, they would have ranks and titles different from the clans. There's far too many players that aren't in the factions left. I say this because so many players didn't know a captain, example when galain died, isn't a faction leader.

[Meanas]

I was saying leader OR captain Im not worried about your interest in assasin- i think i know why.
Also you dont deny your role...

You dont think Hosokawa is a faction? I agree this may be the largest faction, but i think they are trying to discern if the FM has weakened them

[Tellan]

Just checking in. I've had visitors all this weekend. I can see there has been some good thinking going on. Interesting speculation on faceless men, and the shogunate. I'll post my thoughts tonight, once I've had time for a reread.