[Abyss]

Tehol the Only, on 15 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

almost finished Grave Peril and loving it... great fun and all but, again, i'm quite confused about some of the details... during the party at Bianca's Harry states that "Vampires can't be soulgazed because they have no souls", ok, i'm fine with that; 2 pages later "i almost looked into Thomas eyes long enough to gaze into him" or something like that ... also the damned summoning circle has already changed from copper to brass half a dozen times


Well, if those ARE actually errors/inconsistencies this is starting to go from "very minor issue" to "very minor but still fuckin annoying issue" (i mean, if rules can change randomly every couple pages the entire magic system suffers from it).

re Thomas, either White Court vamps are different, or Harry just doesn't think of Thomas as a soulless vampire. The first explanation makes sense, the second is rationalizing an author flub.

re the summoning circle.... ummm.... it's a color thing... the light and angle make it look slightly different... yeah, THAT'S the ticket!

[Salt-Man Z]

Abyss, on 15 January 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tehol the Only, on 15 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

almost finished Grave Peril and loving it... great fun and all but, again, i'm quite confused about some of the details... during the party at Bianca's Harry states that "Vampires can't be soulgazed because they have no souls", ok, i'm fine with that; 2 pages later "i almost looked into Thomas eyes long enough to gaze into him" or something like that ...

re Thomas, either White Court vamps are different, or Harry just doesn't think of Thomas as a soulless vampire. The first explanation makes sense, the second is rationalizing an author flub.

Or he could be simply alluding to the length of time he looked into Thomas' eyes, regardless of whether or not he could have soulgazed him.

[Tehol the Only]

Uh i'll just go on pretending not to have noticed.
Even without considering the plot and the characters (oh, bob, where hast thou been all these years?), the various cheesy puns and movie/book references are just TOO good.





Completely irrelevant: i just learned from tha internetz that the correct pronounce of sidhe is "shea" or something. That's .uh.. weird.

[Imperial Historian]

But

Spoiler

Harry does soul gaze thomas in a later book. That said white court vampires are different (more a human host inhabited by a vampiric demon) to red and black court vampires, so that could be the reason

[amphibian]

Given how Butcher presents his vampires, it is possible that White Court vampires are the only ones that retain their soul - because there is a demon in there inhabiting the body alongside the soul. The Black, Red and Jade Courts haven't been explained with as much detail, but it might be that the processes of becoming one of those destroys the soul. I dunno. I think it's Harry being an idiot and that they all have souls, but who knows.

[Brujah]

Wow. Finished Small Favor, and a 1/3 into Turn Coat. I was looking at the thread where everyone voted for their favorite book in the series, and I don't think I could definitively decide. Everything from Dead Beat through Small Favor was so good. I actually thought each book was the new best one after I was done. I really can't choose between Dead Beat, Proven Guilty, White Night, and Small Favor. I would PROBABLY lean towards Small Favor.

Wife is on Ghost Story, and she mentioned something about that other book Side Jobs, or something, and how she thinks its supposed to be read after Changes. Is that correct? Either way, I should finish Turn Coat and move onto, and then finish Changes over the weekend.

[worry]

Side Jobs includes stories from throughout the series, and they are individually marked as to when to read them. But the latest one does come after Changes, so if you wanna read it in one go, that's when to do it.

[Brujah]

Is Side Jobs the only other book outside of the main series? I googled a chronological list, and it lists the name of the short story after the book in which it follows, but I can't tell if all the other titles that don't belong to the main books are all part of Side Jobs, or if there are other books with other short stories as well.

For example, Restoration of Faith and Welcome to the Jungle are the first two titles listed, coming 1 and 2, and then Storm Front. Then titles like B is for Bigfoot, Publicity and Advertising, Something Borrowed, I Was a Teenage Bigfoot, It's My Birthday Too, Heorot, Day Off, Backup, Last Call, Curses, AAAA Wizardry, Even Hand, Love Hurts, Bigfoot on Campus, Aftermath, and Bombshells.

And then Skingame, which I'm guessing is the next title after Cold Days.
And the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy:
Hell's Bells
Starts and Stones
Empty Night

That's a lot of titles. Can anyone summarize that up by condensing the short stories into the main book titles?

This post has been edited by Brujah: 19 January 2013 - 06:06 AM

[worry]

It's the only Jim Butcher book outside the main series (except the graphic novel that is also out there). But he does seem to publish short stories fairly frequently, and SJ is already missing a few published stories. But I imagine he won't put out a companion to SJ until nearing the completion of the entire Dresden series, so for those you have to wait or hunt them down individually.

[worry]

This is what's included in SJ:
http://en.wikipedia....%28anthology%29

[Brujah]

Ok, well that cleans that list up a lot. Like you said, it looks like the majority of the short stories are collected in Side Jobs. I kept seeing it list certain short stories that were in Side Jobs, as also in other book titles. What I was missing was that Side Jobs is a book that grabs different short stories from many different other books, and puts them altogether in the same book. I'll go ahead and grab it today, so I can catch up on the ones it suggests to have read already.

I like the titles of those Apocalyptic Trilogy. Hell's Bells, Stars and Stones, and Empty Night. They're all the little sayings we hear the characters use instead of our more well known 'curses.' I'm happy to see that there will be at least a good many more books in the story. I was afraid I was nearing the end of the line.

[Salt-Man Z]

A put together a list of the chronology sometime this past year. Ah, here it is. Mind you, it's only current through last July.

This post has been edited by Salt-Man Z: 21 January 2013 - 03:22 AM