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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

View PostUse Of Weapons, on 05 January 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

Harry and Murphy have gazed before the beginning of Storm Front, IIRC.


Really? Are you sure you aren't thinking of Susan?

Anyway, you can look someone in the eyes without starting a soulgaze as long as you aren't both focusing on each other. I'm sure many times Harry looks at Karrin's eyes she isn't looking back at him at the moment.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:10 AM

Yeah, I don't think it's Murphy. I could swear that as of the end of Dead Beat, which is where I am, he hasn't ever soulgazed with Murphy, and has actually avoided it, or she has, one. I might be wrong, though.

Anyway, I haven't really posted much on the series since I read Blood Masks. I've just finished Dead Beat, and am a little into Proven Guilty, and I never got a chance to say how awesome times infinity Dead Beat was/is. I won't bore everyone with repeating for the umteenth time the kick ass parts in the book, but I will say how it's my favorite by a large margin so far, with Dead Masks second. Not to take away from Blood Rites, it was amazing, too. But Death Masks was insanely good, Blood Rites was good, but Dead Beat is off the chart.

I really love Harry's storyline and character development, especially his inner struggles and the way Butcher lets us see into his mind as he navigates the choices that make Dresden, Dresden. And I'm really loving the newest temptation in the form of Lasciel. I honestly wouldn't be able to make the 'better' choices and decisions he does. I'd have been dead from sleeping with Susan, and allowing her to kill me as a true vampire 100 times over by now. I'd be dead because I sure as hell would have nailed Inari that time she threw herself on me. I'd have even been dead from Charity walking in on me in the hotel room for sleeping with Molly. Oh, and I'd either be dead or enslaved to the Winter Court the time Maeve summoned that super sexy Faerie lady from the pools of liquid the time Harry and Billy went to meet with Winter the first time. What can I say? I'm no Harry Dresden. Alright, I'm only kidding.

I do like how Harry is able to resist temptation, but we see how his will power wavers, and how now it seems as if he's losing his struggle with Lasciel, at least somewhat, like when he lets her make and leave his shower water hot, and his increased use of Hellfire.Oh, did I mention I would have sooo nailed Lasciel in the apartment when she was pretending to be the sexy librarian! JK

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:15 AM

Oh, I forgot to mention how I'd have been slept with Murphy, too, after the scene where she has to take her pants off to disarm that bomb. The idea of her fighting undead in her panties was just too much! Sorry.



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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Wow. I shit you not. I honestly couldn't put the books down last night, and read for about 12 hours. I finished Proven Guilty, started White Night, and finished White Night this afternoon.

I'm beginning to not be able to choose which books are better. Dead Beat through White Night has been one long awesome, non-stop joy ride. Dresden's character is becoming even more complex, as he continues to battle himself with the choices that continue to decide who he is. It's a really great struggle between the classic fight between Good and Evil, Right vs Wrong, Light vs Dark, etc. It's not quite Star Wars when it comes to the story of inner struggle, but Butcher really makes me want to care for the characters.

Butcher has not only driven the content of the story down a really interesting path, but the way he writes seem to evolve, and get better with each book. I would make the example of the scene where Harry, Dresden, Elaine, Thomas, and the women Thomas is protecting are aboard the boat, and the group of Ghouls attack them. This fight scene is great, but I really like how when Harry falls into the water, through the broken ice, and as he starts losing conscious, he finds himself back at the Warden Training camp in New Mexico(I believe). This flashback scene is so well done, and perfectly placed.

I thought it was really just scene after scene of some of the best parts of the story, starting with the entire book of Dead Beat, moving to the development of the relationship with Lasciel and her temtation, to the end of Proven Guilty where they launch the awesome attack on Arctis Tor, to the gathering of the Council to discuss the fate of Molly, on to the end of White Night where Dresden really starts to toss some major mojo around.

What can I say? I would have never thought Id enjoy these books, based on their use of a current timeline setting. I also had serious reservations about it being a Private Investigator theme. I'm quite surprised. I'm now starting to dislike the fact that I'm getting closer to the end of the current series. I'll have to start finding some new backups. I'm saving the last WoT novel for when I'm done, and probably finish the rest of Black Company. Still, Dresden has grown on me far more than most main characters usually have since the end of Malazan series.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:48 AM

almost finished Grave Peril and loving it... great fun and all but, again, i'm quite confused about some of the details... during the party at Bianca's Harry states that "Vampires can't be soulgazed because they have no souls", ok, i'm fine with that; 2 pages later "i almost looked into Thomas eyes long enough to gaze into him" or something like that ... also the damned summoning circle has already changed from copper to brass half a dozen times


Well, if those ARE actually errors/inconsistencies this is starting to go from "very minor issue" to "very minor but still fuckin annoying issue" (i mean, if rules can change randomly every couple pages the entire magic system suffers from it).
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostTehol the Only, on 15 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

almost finished Grave Peril and loving it... great fun and all but, again, i'm quite confused about some of the details... during the party at Bianca's Harry states that "Vampires can't be soulgazed because they have no souls", ok, i'm fine with that; 2 pages later "i almost looked into Thomas eyes long enough to gaze into him" or something like that ... also the damned summoning circle has already changed from copper to brass half a dozen times


Well, if those ARE actually errors/inconsistencies this is starting to go from "very minor issue" to "very minor but still fuckin annoying issue" (i mean, if rules can change randomly every couple pages the entire magic system suffers from it).



re Thomas, either White Court vamps are different, or Harry just doesn't think of Thomas as a soulless vampire. The first explanation makes sense, the second is rationalizing an author flub.

re the summoning circle.... ummm.... it's a color thing... the light and angle make it look slightly different... yeah, THAT'S the ticket!
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

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View PostTehol the Only, on 15 January 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

almost finished Grave Peril and loving it... great fun and all but, again, i'm quite confused about some of the details... during the party at Bianca's Harry states that "Vampires can't be soulgazed because they have no souls", ok, i'm fine with that; 2 pages later "i almost looked into Thomas eyes long enough to gaze into him" or something like that ...

re Thomas, either White Court vamps are different, or Harry just doesn't think of Thomas as a soulless vampire. The first explanation makes sense, the second is rationalizing an author flub.

Or he could be simply alluding to the length of time he looked into Thomas' eyes, regardless of whether or not he could have soulgazed him.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:38 PM

Uh i'll just go on pretending not to have noticed.
Even without considering the plot and the characters (oh, bob, where hast thou been all these years?), the various cheesy puns and movie/book references are just TOO good.





Completely irrelevant: i just learned from tha internetz that the correct pronounce of sidhe is "shea" or something. That's .uh.. weird.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

Given how Butcher presents his vampires, it is possible that White Court vampires are the only ones that retain their soul - because there is a demon in there inhabiting the body alongside the soul. The Black, Red and Jade Courts haven't been explained with as much detail, but it might be that the processes of becoming one of those destroys the soul. I dunno. I think it's Harry being an idiot and that they all have souls, but who knows.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

Wow. Finished Small Favor, and a 1/3 into Turn Coat. I was looking at the thread where everyone voted for their favorite book in the series, and I don't think I could definitively decide. Everything from Dead Beat through Small Favor was so good. I actually thought each book was the new best one after I was done. I really can't choose between Dead Beat, Proven Guilty, White Night, and Small Favor. I would PROBABLY lean towards Small Favor.

Wife is on Ghost Story, and she mentioned something about that other book Side Jobs, or something, and how she thinks its supposed to be read after Changes. Is that correct? Either way, I should finish Turn Coat and move onto, and then finish Changes over the weekend.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

Side Jobs includes stories from throughout the series, and they are individually marked as to when to read them. But the latest one does come after Changes, so if you wanna read it in one go, that's when to do it.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:56 AM

Is Side Jobs the only other book outside of the main series? I googled a chronological list, and it lists the name of the short story after the book in which it follows, but I can't tell if all the other titles that don't belong to the main books are all part of Side Jobs, or if there are other books with other short stories as well.

For example, Restoration of Faith and Welcome to the Jungle are the first two titles listed, coming 1 and 2, and then Storm Front. Then titles like B is for Bigfoot, Publicity and Advertising, Something Borrowed, I Was a Teenage Bigfoot, It's My Birthday Too, Heorot, Day Off, Backup, Last Call, Curses, AAAA Wizardry, Even Hand, Love Hurts, Bigfoot on Campus, Aftermath, and Bombshells.

And then Skingame, which I'm guessing is the next title after Cold Days.
And the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy:
Hell's Bells
Starts and Stones
Empty Night

That's a lot of titles. Can anyone summarize that up by condensing the short stories into the main book titles?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:06 AM

It's the only Jim Butcher book outside the main series (except the graphic novel that is also out there). But he does seem to publish short stories fairly frequently, and SJ is already missing a few published stories. But I imagine he won't put out a companion to SJ until nearing the completion of the entire Dresden series, so for those you have to wait or hunt them down individually.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:07 AM

This is what's included in SJ:
http://en.wikipedia....%28anthology%29
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

Ok, well that cleans that list up a lot. Like you said, it looks like the majority of the short stories are collected in Side Jobs. I kept seeing it list certain short stories that were in Side Jobs, as also in other book titles. What I was missing was that Side Jobs is a book that grabs different short stories from many different other books, and puts them altogether in the same book. I'll go ahead and grab it today, so I can catch up on the ones it suggests to have read already.

I like the titles of those Apocalyptic Trilogy. Hell's Bells, Stars and Stones, and Empty Night. They're all the little sayings we hear the characters use instead of our more well known 'curses.' I'm happy to see that there will be at least a good many more books in the story. I was afraid I was nearing the end of the line.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:21 AM

A put together a list of the chronology sometime this past year. Ah, here it is. Mind you, it's only current through last July.

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