[Meanas]

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

Upon further investigation you're quite right about my pairing you with Spite being odd - you two had a pretty convincing spat. I was only looking at early day 1 play at that time - you remember, when you had nothing of consequence to say? Oh wait, that continues...

You have the nerve to scold people as if you are some sort of veteran when you have added nothing whatsoever to this conversation.

I think you're probably an innocent, but I have no use for you and would see you dead ASAP. Go back to mixing imaginary drinks and RPing in the Inn - you denigrate this game by your participation.

That beng said, you're not worth my time or my vote.

remove vote

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. This doesn't make you sound cool. It makes you sound really immature.

[Olar Ethil]

Meanas, on 08 September 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 September 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 07 September 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 September 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 07 September 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

what is the deal with these weekend breaks? are we not allowed to post? or what? can you say to people who've been citing work reasons for being low posters that they have no excuses now etc.? Anyway, briefly revisiting my initial scrap with Karosis, Spite looks sympish and his latest posts do nothing to ameliorate that impression. I know, I've been his biggest fan until now, just sharing impressions, nothing solid yet...but I was going after Karosis HARD and a symp would have to feel obligated to do something about it and Spite fits the bill imo. If this is true, and forgive me, this is all very rough - IIRC, Spite is accused of shifting from defending low posters to focussing on them. If he's a symp then that tells us something about the behaviour of the other killer - not particularly useful, but something to think about, at least for me. Anyway, we're unbelievably lucky to hit a killer and more interestingly, for the killers to have made such a poor choice for a night-kill target. Seems like a poor target anyway, Korv was suspicious, like really fucking suspicious, so why did they choose him?

I have a theory, but it's mostly meta. When Korv started posting all erratic, I was starting to think I knew that style. Maybe the killers thought the same thing, and just wanted to take him down. Not saying more, because it wouldn't be right.Or, it could be because Korv was all over Karosis ass, and it was revenge from his partner. Mostly, we should look at who else Korv was naming as possible partners to Karosis.

I'm pretty sure you're innocent but this meta stuff is in very poor taste.I have a massive hunch, will explain later.Vote Meanas

You're right about the meta stuff, and I apologize, but even you, Olar, used meta in your argument with Karosis in your early brawl when you accused him of being a certain alt. So yeah, we'll just leave it out of all of our future posts.As for Meanas, I was thinking his lack of voting on day 1, except for his joke D'riss vote, plus his lack of voting Karosis lends credibility to my also wanting to vote Meanas.remove voteVote Measnas

God, does nobody read or use logic around here?

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

I am going to bed now. I will be taking my vote down for now because I will be unable to play until this time tomorrow, by which point there will probably be a lynch. NOT because I have declared Spite innocent.Remove vote

Luckily for you guys, I got a dinner break at five thirty instead of my usual six.

If you had read any of my posts, you would know that in both cases of lunches I was not able to participate because I coud not play at all at the time both lynches were taking place. READ!

Also, does anyone else find it odd that almost immediately after Olar votes me out of the blue, stating he will explain later, Emurlahn votes me, but this time with the reason of "he didn't vote".

First of all, I already explained why I didn't vote, and he must not have read it. Second, and I'm not trying to draw attention to him, but Korbas hasn't voted either, and I think others have not as well. So why me, and why so quickly after Olar?

Edited five to five thirty

'Luckily for you guys' - really? - what's so special about you? what is your great contribution? Your explanations are, quite frankly, inadequate. I could say the same things AND BE LYING and noone would be able to gainsay me - but they can still remain suspicious. You are a liability, no matter what your role is. Die slowly and in great pain.

That's a lot of hate you got right there.

I originally meant to say "luckily for me". Don't know why it says that instead.


You really expect anyone to believe this? If this were true you would have tried to correct it before now if you were paying attention and if you weren't paying attention well...I think you know how I feel about that.

And how am I a liability? You really aren't explaining too much.

You have no opinions of your own - you only react when you must and in a condescending way as well, which is outrageous considering how little you have contributed - it honestly boggles my mind - the way you present it, it seems likely you have gotten away with that shit in the past, which is crazy. I don't want to start in on the 'when I was young, I walked 10 miles to school in 6-foot snowdrifts barefoot' but you would never have gotten away with this nonsense in the milieu I cut my mafia teeth with. The problem is there's too fucking many of you and a lack of will to excise you. It's like watching the first season of the walking dead - the only sensible dude is the redneck with the crossbow and everyone else is just not understanding the gravity of the situation. That's how I'm feeling right now.

Seriously, if you hate someone online because they slightly irritate you in a game, maybe you should find a good therapist, or maybe some Zoloft.

I'm sure you're a fine person in real life, and I'm good at compartmentalizing things- but don't imagine that my in-game irritation for you is slight.

edited to change my text colour to make it more coherent.

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 08 September 2012 - 02:39 AM

[Olar Ethil]

Meanas, on 08 September 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

Upon further investigation you're quite right about my pairing you with Spite being odd - you two had a pretty convincing spat. I was only looking at early day 1 play at that time - you remember, when you had nothing of consequence to say? Oh wait, that continues...

You have the nerve to scold people as if you are some sort of veteran when you have added nothing whatsoever to this conversation.

I think you're probably an innocent, but I have no use for you and would see you dead ASAP. Go back to mixing imaginary drinks and RPing in the Inn - you denigrate this game by your participation.

That beng said, you're not worth my time or my vote.

remove vote

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. This doesn't make you sound cool. It makes you sound really immature.

Why on earth would your opinion on how cool I sound matter to me when I'm locked in a room with, at this point, 2 people who intend to kill me? Immature? and how would you characterize your play thusfar? What's so mature about your contribution? Where is your voice of reason?

Yeah, I'm condescending and I believe I have a reason to be - you've been condescending as well - why? what wisdom do you have to share? Please! Enlighten me

[Olar Ethil]

Bah! Moving on...

Korbas hasn't posted in a long time - I'm a bit of a numpty with timezones and whatnot so I'm gonna post, check the time of the post and hopefully be able to accurately determiine the amount of time that has passed since his last post, relative to whatever calendar the board follows, brb

ETA: 17 hours - so a guy has been sitting in the corner, not talking, for 17 hours.

Vote Korbas

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 08 September 2012 - 03:16 AM

[D'riss]

ARGH! stupid internet explorer.

post lost.

the gist of it -


I'm alive, had some technology issues last night/ today, resolved.



I don't think meanas would be karosis' partner because of the butting of heads with olar. thats how kar came to attention so it would be unlikely in the extreme.

Seems like a cert for a killer death regina was the main plastic. Lucky in a way but it was still agreat lynch.

The Korv kill really throws me, when I read i literally said what the fuck, out loud, its such a strange one when he would have been a prime candidate for a lynch run today. strange thinking process provisional is my guess
Spite is stuck firmly in my head as the symp now, I'm gonna go back over and read her stuff to see what I can see.
sorry for my abysmal posting so far, I'll be hopeing to rectify the situation

[D'riss]

also, is there an easy way to view one persons posts in isolation?

[Sorrit]

Spite, on 04 September 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 September 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

There it is again. Can you speak like a civilised person?, its hard to take you seriously with the way you're talking.

Ok im really quite uncomfortably warm with my laptop on my lap, i had contacts in which were starting to itch, ive had a few cans of cider and i was making dinner. Missing half a sentence in your block is an easy mistake to make, especially as it doesnt make what i said any less relevant.

In fact i think you're getting way to worked up about this.

Vote Olar Ethil


Because he's reacting very much like i attacked him on thread when all i did was a slight comment. This seems very oversensitive, like he might have something to hide.

Guys. pls stop OMGUSing each other. Spam or RP is better than this. This kinda voting is just not cool. (and its screaming "distancing" in my mind.)
I don't get you Karo. he edited " ETA: I'm curious whether you read my post at all " or something like this. I don't think he changed other contents of his posts at all.(I did not see it before edit so I can't be sure.)
If he did, I believe its reason enough for modkill. (I don't think anyone cares about what I believe though)

The one problem I'm having with the theory that Spite is connected to Karo is this underlined bit above. If Spite was connected to Karo, and therefore knew that Karo was scum, why would he make any comment that suggests Karo needs to distance from anyone?

And for anyone who feels the need to point out that Spite may have been distancing, I'd like to ask you why Spite would feel it necessary to distance, on day one, from someone he had absolutely no on-thread connection to.

[Sorrit]

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

(snip)

God, does nobody read or use logic around here?

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

I am going to bed now. I will be taking my vote down for now because I will be unable to play until this time tomorrow, by which point there will probably be a lynch. NOT because I have declared Spite innocent.Remove vote

Luckily for you guys, I got a dinner break at five thirty instead of my usual six.

If you had read any of my posts, you would know that in both cases of lunches I was not able to participate because I coud not play at all at the time both lynches were taking place. READ!

Also, does anyone else find it odd that almost immediately after Olar votes me out of the blue, stating he will explain later, Emurlahn votes me, but this time with the reason of "he didn't vote".

First of all, I already explained why I didn't vote, and he must not have read it. Second, and I'm not trying to draw attention to him, but Korbas hasn't voted either, and I think others have not as well. So why me, and why so quickly after Olar?

Edited five to five thirty

Meanas, I'd like to know why you removed your vote for Spite in the first place. If you thought Spite was scum why not just leave it there? Even if you are not going to be around for the lynches, there is no reason why you can't begin a case, leave a vote, and see where it goes.

I also fail to see how it's relevant what time you had your break.

I can't speak for Emurlahn, but I'm getting confused townie vibes from him. He seems to be following the lead of whoever is posting most at the time.

I think your reaction to the pressure put on you by the votes is what is so interesting right now. You've had one vote based on a hunch and one vote based on voting trains. You rightly pointed out that Korbas hasn't voted on either train, and also that it is weird that you would be connected to Spite. You could have left it there, but instead you have devolved into personal attacks and ivective against the people voting for you, and that suggests to me that you are overreacting to the votes. What have you got to lose, Meanas?

[Olar Ethil]

D, on 08 September 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

also, is there an easy way to view one persons posts in isolation?

I'm sure you used to be able to just click on a poster's username and go to posts in their profile and get all their posts in reverse order - now though you can only get 4-5 of their most recent posts. I am somewhat reliably informed that this deficiency may be down to a setting change in the admin cp so I suggest somebody get on to the mods about looking into this.

[Osseric]

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

To be perfectly honest, I'm looking at a day that's going to last more than 70 hours - I've never had that luxury before - I fancy making some people squirm. No excuses now folks - I'm looking at you Osseric Who was it that said they had today off and would therefore be posting more? did it happen?

andf wtf happened to D'riss?

That wasn't me, I work on Saturdays too.

[Osseric]

Sorrit, on 08 September 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Spite, on 04 September 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 September 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

There it is again. Can you speak like a civilised person?, its hard to take you seriously with the way you're talking.

Ok im really quite uncomfortably warm with my laptop on my lap, i had contacts in which were starting to itch, ive had a few cans of cider and i was making dinner. Missing half a sentence in your block is an easy mistake to make, especially as it doesnt make what i said any less relevant.

In fact i think you're getting way to worked up about this.

Vote Olar Ethil


Because he's reacting very much like i attacked him on thread when all i did was a slight comment. This seems very oversensitive, like he might have something to hide.

Guys. pls stop OMGUSing each other. Spam or RP is better than this. This kinda voting is just not cool. (and its screaming "distancing" in my mind.)
I don't get you Karo. he edited " ETA: I'm curious whether you read my post at all " or something like this. I don't think he changed other contents of his posts at all.(I did not see it before edit so I can't be sure.)
If he did, I believe its reason enough for modkill. (I don't think anyone cares about what I believe though)

The one problem I'm having with the theory that Spite is connected to Karo is this underlined bit above. If Spite was connected to Karo, and therefore knew that Karo was scum, why would he make any comment that suggests Karo needs to distance from anyone?

And for anyone who feels the need to point out that Spite may have been distancing, I'd like to ask you why Spite would feel it necessary to distance, on day one, from someone he had absolutely no on-thread connection to.

I agree with this - this doesn't seem like a comment scum would make to another scum

[Osseric]

I am surprised about Korv, I was very suspicious of him as a symp, he was under suspicion by others for the same thing, and I think he would have been getting some votes today. I'm at a loss for why the killers would remove him intentionally.

I understand this is a WIFOM topic, but I would be interested in thoughts about how this could be used to scum benefit. I did read the earlier post that it could have been provisionals, but Karo was around before end of day, so I'm not putting too much in that

[Olar Ethil]

Osseric, on 08 September 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

To be perfectly honest, I'm looking at a day that's going to last more than 70 hours - I've never had that luxury before - I fancy making some people squirm. No excuses now folks - I'm looking at you Osseric Who was it that said they had today off and would therefore be posting more? did it happen?

andf wtf happened to D'riss?

That wasn't me, I work on Saturdays too.

I'm gonna take this opportunity to discuss the concept of commitment as it pertains to mafia. I wasn't joking when I said you should ask for a modkill - I've seen it a few times - you sign up for a game thinking you'll have time but something comes up and you can't spend the kind of time that is required to do it properly, so, if you're a roleless innocent, it's a no-brainer, you ask for a modkill so as to avoid muddying the field. It's the right thing to do if your goal is to help the innocents in that situation. I'm not saying that's your situation or that's what you should do, but I will have no patience with people saying they're to busy to participate - why in the fuck did you sign up in the first place then? I work a full-time job and have other interests, getting ready for major renovations, etc. I don't expect anyone to give a freeze-dried fuck about my personal life - it's all about your behaviour on the thread. Also, I must have been drunk when I signed up for this because the role PM came as a complete and utter surprise. Between my signup and the start of this game I spoke with someone who shall remain nameless about how I was thinking of having a go at mafia here again and discussed the things I really can't tolerate in mafia and this person told me I ought to stay away, so I was at peace with not playing.

However, I signed up, was called, so I've done everything I could possibly do to contribute. This game is not for lazy thinkers.

I see people posting things like - 'well, I'm here, but nobody's around - I'll be around for whatever amount of time if anybody wants to talk' and then leave without saying anything of import whatsoever. Karosis was prolific at this, but he's not the only one - I don't understand this approach to mafia.

bah, I need to cool down, back later

[Sorrit]

Osseric, on 08 September 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

I am surprised about Korv, I was very suspicious of him as a symp, he was under suspicion by others for the same thing, and I think he would have been getting some votes today. I'm at a loss for why the killers would remove him intentionally.

I understand this is a WIFOM topic, but I would be interested in thoughts about how this could be used to scum benefit. I did read the earlier post that it could have been provisionals, but Karo was around before end of day, so I'm not putting too much in that

I've always found that scum are as likely to pick someone that will sow confusion or implicate an innocent player, as much as anything else, so in general I don't find it very helpful to try and figure out the minds of scum.

I'd be more interested on who you think is connected to Karosis.

[Sorrit]

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

Osseric, on 08 September 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

To be perfectly honest, I'm looking at a day that's going to last more than 70 hours - I've never had that luxury before - I fancy making some people squirm. No excuses now folks - I'm looking at you Osseric Who was it that said they had today off and would therefore be posting more? did it happen?

andf wtf happened to D'riss?

That wasn't me, I work on Saturdays too.

I'm gonna take this opportunity to discuss the concept of commitment as it pertains to mafia. I wasn't joking when I said you should ask for a modkill - I've seen it a few times - you sign up for a game thinking you'll have time but something comes up and you can't spend the kind of time that is required to do it properly, so, if you're a roleless innocent, it's a no-brainer, you ask for a modkill so as to avoid muddying the field. It's the right thing to do if your goal is to help the innocents in that situation. I'm not saying that's your situation or that's what you should do, but I will have no patience with people saying they're to busy to participate - why in the fuck did you sign up in the first place then? I work a full-time job and have other interests, getting ready for major renovations, etc. I don't expect anyone to give a freeze-dried fuck about my personal life - it's all about your behaviour on the thread. Also, I must have been drunk when I signed up for this because the role PM came as a complete and utter surprise. Between my signup and the start of this game I spoke with someone who shall remain nameless about how I was thinking of having a go at mafia here again and discussed the things I really can't tolerate in mafia and this person told me I ought to stay away, so I was at peace with not playing.

However, I signed up, was called, so I've done everything I could possibly do to contribute. This game is not for lazy thinkers.

I see people posting things like - 'well, I'm here, but nobody's around - I'll be around for whatever amount of time if anybody wants to talk' and then leave without saying anything of import whatsoever. Karosis was prolific at this, but he's not the only one - I don't understand this approach to mafia.

bah, I need to cool down, back later

I've only been playing since the end of last year, but I think to some extent part of the problem is that a whole bunch of newer players, myself included, started at the same time, and we all seem to be posting at the lower end. I have heard it said as well that there are just too many games now, as soon as one game is finished the next sign up is posted.

However, for me personally, I have less of an issue with low posting, and more of an issue with a lack of content, which I think is partly your problem as well. That comment about people who say they are around, but then don't post anything, is something I see every game, and it is frustrating. Then again, it is easier to have a conversation with someone who is around, than to go back and dredge up stuff that has been said earlier. So I can see why it's done, even if I don't agree with it. And I know I have been guilty of it too.

Can I suggest, if you do decide to return to playing Mafia (I can see that is unlikely, but just in case...) maybe avoid the smaller minis? You'll get a lot more participation in the bigger themed games.

[Spite]

Olar Ethil, on 08 September 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Meanas, on 07 September 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Quote

Ha! I am fully aware of such things - it's one thing to act on these kinds of feelings and it's completely another thing to talk about them on-thread. Both are wrong in the spirit of mafia but the latter is far more wrong and defeats the purpose of alts. Whatever, I'm trying to go with the flow here but understand it is bloody difficult - you're not playing the same game - you should call it something else, imo. No matter. We got insanely lucky in lynching a killer - in a way it's bad in the long term because it might validate a lot of poor play for some of you.

Anyway, we did get lucky and have a good deal of breathing space now - we can get it wrong for a coupla days and still be in a decent position. Awesome. I'm thinking Spite is the symp and Meanas is my chief suspect as the remaining killer - it's late and I've been drinking so I'm not gonna make any cases or go hard at anybody just now but D'riss is on my radar as well - just a hunch. Forgive me for being cagey but I still don't know what the weekend break rules are

That's an odd killer- symp combo. I understand you have been drinking, but what made you come up with that?

Weekend rules are usually just a timer freeze. Posting is allowed, as well as voting.

Odd? why do you think so?

I see Spite reacting to my assault on Karosis in a very sympish manner - it's there for anyone to look at and form their own opinions - as far as my suspicion of you, it's a hunch, something in your early play stuck out for me, to be honest, I don't quite remember what it was, but it's there, amongst the relentless spam. Lots of free time now so I will revisit it and put it in more definitive terms if someone else doesn't do it first.

Also, your attitude irritates me mightily.

Interesting ...
So right now I have the ability to make people look scummy by defending them?
I don't really understand why you pointed that out. if I am the symp, Its in your best interests to keep silent, wait for me to defend some one at least a little seriously and then Start attacking me. but right now you have alerted the POSSIBLE symp and even if I defend someone, you can't be sure about him.

Edit: D'riss added me as friend...

This post has been edited by Spite: 08 September 2012 - 01:45 PM

[Galain]

I like this guy. The scourge of low content posters must needs be removed!

And the larger games have just as much non-participation, it's just not as evident since night actions are more important. Several people frequently crusade to remove the noncontributers. But it doesn't work. Boo!

Speaking of not participating, I'm not going to post much this weekend (when it is acceptable).

[Emurlahn]

I saw 4 anons, anyone want to discuss anything in particular, or maybe even of slight importance, if not we can discuss some fairly tame issues, like who think Romney is the Antichrist, or how many years we have until China seizes Hawaii, or Is the Pope an alien ?

[D'riss]

the friend add was me trying to figure out isolatoin of posts.

using the search function its sort of workable, but I might ask silencer about an in thread iso, I've seen it before on other forums, it would be very useful in mafia.



Reading through spites posts in isolation was, well sort of useful, but I have to look at them in context as well to fully get everything.
One thing I will say, spites point onf Sorrits L-1 vote is actually quite sensible (the suggestion that it was a safe vote for a scum with 3 minutes left on the clock to put her L-1)
in the back of my head Liosan and sorrit have been sitting as potential scum, now that korv has bee killed off. I'm still seeign spite as a symp though, with the other killer being liosn, sorrit or emurlain now.
I know I'm a ridiculously low poster at times, and thats generally my mo, I don't like posting padding and waffle, I like to read then say where I'm at and what I'm thinking. Just a heads up on why I don't post too much.

And at the minute its the weekend, so its lower again.

[D'riss]

EDIT:


double post



i'll use it to address emurlain.
Emur, I dont really care if the pope is an alien, but if you want you can cast your eye over sorrit and liosnas actions at the same time as me

This post has been edited by D'riss: 09 September 2012 - 12:14 AM