[Liosan]

I think we're in a holding pattern till we either lynch or not. I'll be around for a while in case something else comes up.

[Fener]

@Galain: what do you expect will change? That Mockra will show up, when he's made one post in the last 28+ hours?

[Karosis]

ive got maybe half an hour before i go to bed at most, and i make it only around 4 hours left in day. Is there really any point in me waiting a small amount of time like that?

[Fener]

And if Mockra does show, do we really think we can swing a different lynch in <5 hours? Or are we gonna end day on a no-lynch, have someone innocuous die at night, and then come into day 2 with no additional information?

[Path-Shaper]

I am having friends over for dinner and to watch Big Brother so I probably won't be able to resolve a lynch right away. I will be around for end of Day though so as long as all NAs are in I should be able to quickly resolve night. (Hint hint)

[Galain]

Day is to the advantage of town. Squandering ours is not in my interest.

But do whatever you want. I won't hammer until I go to bed.

[D'riss]

No lynch is not a viable option, we'll just be back here again tomorrow minus a person.

I still don't like lynching someone without hearing them speak, im willing to give him the 4 hours to pipe up. Leave him at l-1 I'll be about to drop it at the deadline if nothing changes

[Sorrit]

I'm back, and going to do a quick re-read.

[Karosis]

Ok im going off to bed now, will try and get on in the morning before work.

[Osseric]

Fener, on 05 September 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Osseric, on 05 September 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going to be available for the next 2 hours off and on, so I can vote if need be

so I see Lio talking about the case on Mockra as one that consists of Mockra talking about killer CFs and the suspicion that Korvalain was symping him...is that what everyone is voting for?

Korv and Sorrit both seemed pretty flustered after mockra got one vote. Particularly Korv, and then Sorrit suggested that scum would become high posters because scum have low posted the last few games that just seemed extremely suspicious to me.

Why would anybody care about one vote? That;s no big deal.

I'm leaving in about 20 minutes, shall I leave the hammering to whoever said they would stick around until the last? I'm not very convinced about Mockra, but I won't be apart of a no lynch day. The train seemed to build quickly on him earlier today - does anyone find any significance in that?

[Galain]

I'll be here until the end, or at least close.

[Osseric]

Galain, on 05 September 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

I'll be here until the end, or at least close.

alright, Galain, I leave you to it

[Sorrit]

First off, in terms of the Mockra case, it is a low poster hunt, backed up by Korv's reactions. For this stage in the game that's fine, but I do wish we could stop relying on a low poster hunt to kick off a game. In the last 3-4 games I've played we have started off with a low poster hunt, and it gets boring. Whoever is using the Dresden game as justification needs to remember that that was a faction game.

So, to the suspicions against Mockra, and those associated with him. Low poster-case. I don't think much of the 'slip' someone brought up, because it was in the context of discussing CF's (and lack thereof). The argument that people tend to talk about their own roles is really only relevant if something new is presented, because otherwise it could smply be put down to people speculating about roles and joining in the discussion. The argument that people talk about the roles that they have would be better applied to Olar, who brought up the role speculation in the first place. The one thing that seems pretty damning is Korvalain's reaction. It seems that he is getting pretty antsy, considering it isn't his head on the chopping block. I found it very telling that he voted for Mockra and then almost immediately removed his vote.

I'm not completely sold on the suspicions on Spite. His first 'defence' of Mockra could be genuine disagreement with the case. Having been in that position many times, I hate that anyone disagreeing with a case is supposedly defending the person the case was about, when that is simply not true. I could almost also believe that the contradiction below was simply him changing his mind on the case.

Liosan, on 05 September 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Spite, on 05 September 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on 05 September 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Spite, on 05 September 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

IMO the case on Mockra is nonexistent,but I will vote him if nothing better comes up. Just because I hate low posters.
I don't think Korv was diverting attention, I think he was afraid of being lowposter lynched and so tried to offer an alternative.
And I don't know about D'riss, do you think I should have joined their pissing match?

Spite, on 05 September 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Galain, on 05 September 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 September 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I don't like how easy it was to put Mockra at L1 with 12 hours to go. Scum should have a symp and a partner out there somewhere!

He's there because of a supposed symp or partner... lol. One of which voted him when the lynch was clear, then removed. The other (spite, imo) is still not voting him.

How am I defending Mockra?
If you care to explain.

Korv is doing a great job of making himslef(and Mockra) look scummy.

Edit: X post with Galain.

You are contradicting yourself here. Is Korv distracting or making himself and Mockra look scummy? You have said you don't see a case here, but you aren't dropping your vote anywhere. Do you think there is a better candidate for Day1?

When I came on, I didn't like the case on Mockra.
now after some discussion, I'm getting the feeling that Korv is scummy. I still don't know about Mockra. but the fact that he defended him ...( you get the wifom in my mind.)
I'm waiting for him to come, I will vote him in 1 hour 45 minutes. ( I set a timer,that much I will wait, no more.

Edit: by he defended him I mean Korv defended Mockra.

The initial 'case' was picking a low poster out of the 3, and latching onto what MAY be a slip from Mockra. Korv's reaction is what made it interesting.

It is this comment that has me wondering though:

Spite, on 05 September 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

I'm more into voting Korv. but I will vote Mockra if he doesn't defend himself.

Why would you vote Korv, when the whole point was that Korv was symping Mockra? Killing a symp gets us nowhere, unless the voting block made by the killers and the symp is becoming an issue. At this stage of the game it isn't.

For those of you connecting me with Mockra, I'd like you to go back and actually read what I wrote. Particularly Fener, because this post pisses me off:

Fener, on 05 September 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Osseric, on 05 September 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going to be available for the next 2 hours off and on, so I can vote if need be

so I see Lio talking about the case on Mockra as one that consists of Mockra talking about killer CFs and the suspicion that Korvalain was symping him...is that what everyone is voting for?

Korv and Sorrit both seemed pretty flustered after mockra got one vote. Particularly Korv, and then Sorrit suggested that scum would become high posters because scum have low posted the last few games that just seemed extremely suspicious to me.

I wrote one post, pointing out that I thought AT THE TIME that I thought Emurlahn was scummier than Mockra, because he had a fairly high post count, was encouraging others to participate in the debate while offering none of his own thoughts, and generally having no content to speak of, even though there was a fair amount of discussion going on. This was before Korvalain's involvement in the case, and after I had already made a post with suspicions of Emur. In the context of my suspicions of Emur, it is not crazy to suggest that scum is equally likely to be a middle poster as a low. In addition, when I made that post there was a single vote on Mockra. I would be the worst symp ever if that got me flustered.

Somewhat related but mostly me just having a grump is this post:

Korbas, on 05 September 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

you would smell too if you were made or otataral....

Because its probably the best case out there and he isnt defending himself

Vote Mockra

This is seriously lazy voting. If Mockra had been around at the time to defend himself, but wasn't, that would be suspicious. But saying it is suspicious that he hasn't been on at all to defend himself is rather unfair when he hasn't been on to see that he needs to defend himself. In addition, how is he supposed to defend himself from low-posting, except to post more?

TL;DR: Korvalain is suspicious. Mockra is suspicious by association. Jury is still out on Spite.

[Fener]

@Sorrit: TBH when I first replied to that post I thought it was Korv posting both times, but instead it was you responding to a post directed at Korv. But the point is that there seems to be a pretty substantial unwillingness to lynch off someone who has made 2 posts all day.

Osseric, on 05 September 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Fener, on 05 September 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Osseric, on 05 September 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going to be available for the next 2 hours off and on, so I can vote if need be

so I see Lio talking about the case on Mockra as one that consists of Mockra talking about killer CFs and the suspicion that Korvalain was symping him...is that what everyone is voting for?

Korv and Sorrit both seemed pretty flustered after mockra got one vote. Particularly Korv, and then Sorrit suggested that scum would become high posters because scum have low posted the last few games that just seemed extremely suspicious to me.

Why would anybody care about one vote? That;s no big deal.

I'm leaving in about 20 minutes, shall I leave the hammering to whoever said they would stick around until the last? I'm not very convinced about Mockra, but I won't be apart of a no lynch day. The train seemed to build quickly on him earlier today - does anyone find any significance in that?

The point is that it isn't a big deal, but people seemed to react like it was. When Sorrit wanted to discuss Emu as well, Emu's reaction seemed pretty flustered / scrambly as well.

[Fener]

Day times out in a bit over an hour. I hope someone is around to hammer.

[D'riss]

what of the clock?

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 05 September 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 6 hours 14 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Olar Ethil: Karosis
1 vote for D'riss: Meanas
6 votes for Mockra: Liosan, Fener, Emurlahn, Korvalain, Spite, Olar Ethil
1 vote for Spite: D'riss


Players not voted: Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Osseric, Sorrit

P-S last update. Time-out's around 10:40PM EST

[D'riss]

cross post








vote mockra

[Fener]

Alrighty then. P-S said he was busy tonight, so we probably won't see a resolution any time soon.


Anyone want to grab froyo with me? I just looove pinkberry, it's like it was made to manipulate me into going all the time!

[Liosan]

I hate long waits to resolve. This last several hours has been kind of pointless since all we've seen is a lot of pissing around about not hammering since there are several hours to go, without any additional cases to look at.