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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

Conversation between me and Fener (Mac):

Path-Shaper, on 07 August 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Feel free to chat off-thread here. Do not use this chat to submit actions/orders to Path-Shaper.

Fener, on 07 August 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Hiya Bob the Skull!

I'm Blend, how goes?

Anthras, on 07 August 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Hey there Blend.

Bob the Skull here. So we're sort of attached at the hip at the moment - any plans for tonight yet? I'm ready to do...well...Bob the Skull things!

-insert laugh track here-

Glad to see you posting on thread already, gives us a lot more flexibility. Also we may want to go with a little distancing if the opportunity arises - a comment or two would probably do the trick. Nothing urgent, but something to think about as day comes to an end. Don't force it though, if it look suspicious we're better off just not interacting or going with the flow of the thread.

So what's on your mind?

Fener, on 07 August 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

I agree. I have abilities that will provide me with interesting information on what's going on, so I am expecting to sick you after dangerous people if I can help it! Anyway, for now, let's keep our distance, not even interact if we don't have to. I am going to be sitting back and trying to keep a low profile as much as possible, hopefully not bring too much attention my way.

Anthras, on 07 August 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Sounds good, we'll keep our distance for now. Not much going on anyway. And definitely sick me on the dangerous people!

Hasn't been a lot of discussion, but got any targets in mind for tonight yet? I guess we haven't even seen everyone check in, which is going to be interesting without knowing how many players there are.

Fener, on 07 August 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Do you have a Kill ability? For now, I think we'll just have to wait and see how things develop a bit more. I am going to try to stay off lynch trains as much as possible, but will probably send you onto the lynch trains I deem fit, maybe even lynch trains I will pretend to be against on thread. I don't know, it's always hard on Day 1. So far most of the chat has revolved around changing avatars, and sex, and, uh, urine.

Fener, on 07 August 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Did you play in the last Dresden game? I don't know anything about the books, or the story, or anything like that, so I'm curious to know how the game was played last time. Is this similar?

Fener, on 07 August 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Yikes, I just went and dug up the spoiler thread from the last Dresden game, and it doesn't seem to be much like this one (from what little I have read so far), but seemed incredibly complicated. I am interested to see how the rooms mechanic will work (i.e. what limitations / advantages they may give to players)

Fener, on 08 August 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Alright, there's two votes on me. Give it until about 4 votes, but if the lynch train gets that high, start some kind of case against someone else (someone who isn't voting for me, to keep your distance). I refuse to get voted out on Day 1 just for being Fener.

Fener, on 08 August 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Fener, on 08 August 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Actually, wait till we see something re: how many votes it takes to lynch, and only try to redirect if I get to halfway to a lynch.

Anthras, on 08 August 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Nope, no Kill action.

I don't think there's going to be a significant train effort heading your way but I'll throw up a case on someone else if it starts to get anywhere close to a lynch. So far we've got 21 players which means you need at least 11 for a lynch, so no danger yet.

Fener, on 08 August 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Yeah, not too worried, just didn't want to be Day 1 lynched just cause I was Fener.

Good job on putting pressure on Liosan. I think he's going to end up being the Day 1 lynch for that slip. Sucks to be him!

Anthras, on 08 August 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Yep, I think he's doomed himself, I'm not going to let him off the hook. Hopefully a couple other people will agree before I lay more pressure and throw down a vote. Maybe he'll even respond and explode, which will make it even easier.

Fener, on 08 August 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I might throw a half-assed defense of him on thread to distance myself from you. Will see how things go.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

So Emurlahn who is Ebenezer 'Black staff' McCoy was in my bar. Know anything about the books?

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Ok, I went back and read the earlier Dresden game and yeah, it was a mindfuck. So I'm not entirely sure how to prepare, as I'm not full up on my Dresden lore either, but I'm trying to learn a little.

First, I do want to ask, who are you more inclined to assist - Harry, or his enemies? We know there are multiple factions with multiple VCs, but there's a fundamental divide there between Harry's interests and the interests of those like the Denarians. Now, seeing as you're probably fairly neutral and we are in a neutral location, I'm curious as to how you want to play the game - and obviously, this is because I'm Bob the Skull, so I essentially take on characteristics of my master. Essentially, your interests are my interests from the perspective of the story lore and probably the game mechanics too. So I need some direction from you on how to proceed and what we should be looking for. Any thoughts you can share?

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Looked him up... He is Dresden's grandfather and mentor, so possible that they are on the same team. I think it's likely that he has an item called the Black staff that gives him lots of power. Item might be alive like you are.

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Ok I'm going to drop some Dresden knowledge on you guys because I feel like it helps.

McCoy is Dresdens Grandfather, and used to be his mentor. They don't really get along very well anymore for a couple reasons. The main one is that he is the White Councils 'wetworks' man. aka the only one of the white council allowed to break their 'laws of magic' without getting punished (killed) for it.

Blackstaff refers to both his honorary title on the council, and the blackstaff that comes with it.

What I used in the game is up to you guys to decide, but after ghost story although McCoy and Dresden were speaking, Dresden in no way trusts McCoy anymore.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:55 PM

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

I am not sure right now. My instincts are to help Dresden, but really all I have to do to win is survive to the end of the game and my abilities are mostly passive and neutral. For now I am just content to collect information about various people o thread. Basically I just want you to keep attention away from me as much as possible.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Ok, I do know something about Blackstaff McCoy. He is a senior member of the White Council and Harry's former mentor in wizardry. He's helped Harry numerous times and I can only assume in this game that he is allied with Harry.

The reason they call him "Blackstaff" is because that is a secret title that allows him to break the Seven Laws of Magic that all other wizards (including the rest of the White Council) are bound by. So he is likely to have extremely powerful magical abilities in this game, I suspect.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

So given what PS said Emu must be White Council faction and Dresden is probably not. And black staff I imagine is an item, but not sure if he would be a living item like you are because apparently the books allude to the staff possibly being alive.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Thanks PS!

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Ok, awesome, this is more than I knew about him...so maybe they aren't allied, if Harry doesn't trust him anymore. Thanks, P-S.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Very possible, Harry has always had opposition in the White Council, and he is usually trying to avoid their judgment and interaction. The leader of the WC, Merlin, hates Harry.

About Blackstaff, it's possible that it's a living item like me, but AFAIK, we have never seen the Blackstaff change hands in the books ever, McCoy has always had it. Whereas Bob the Skull has been held by various people throughout the books - for instance, you are my owner right now, whereas in the beginning of the series, Harry is Bob's owner for a long time.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

I actually agree about this, and I'm not sure but it may be because my nature is to follow my owner (lore-wise). My personal instincts are also to help Dresden, but if you just have to survive, then we really should be ready to turn the tables if we need to or have the power to.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I read that Harry used Blackstaff at one point before his falling out with Ebenezer

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Regardless, if black staff is alive, it could be that both Emu and black staff have to vote for same person and that their combined votes count as one. I am just talking out if my ass though here.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

And I also agree about info gathering - I found out that Liosan is Kincade the Hellhound, and his powerlevel is 4. Did you get any info about Blackstaff's powerlevel?

From what I know about the Hellhound, he's a mercenary assassin but right now he is the Guardian of the Archive, who is a little girl that is the repository of all human knowledge. Harry has always tried to protect the Archive, and from the OP:

"The Denarians are up to something, and the white council have delivered an urgent message to Harry that The Archive must talk to him."

Also it mentions something I totally forgot, that Harry is now the Winter Knight and so his allegiance must be with the Winter Court, which is directly opposed to the Summer Court. The White Council must have some interest in Harry prevailing, so I think we can partially group the White Council and Winter Court together (can't use WC acronym anymore, dammit). Also this means that the Archive must be important to Harry and probably aligned with him, and if the Hellhound is the Archive's guardian, he probably does not directly oppose Harry at this point.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I read that Harry used Blackstaff at one point before his falling out with Ebenezer

Oh ok, I did not know this. So, very possible.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:55 PM

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I read that Harry used Blackstaff at one point before his falling out with Ebenezer

You two are so cute I can't help myself.

I'm not sure where you read that, but the first time Harry actually saw the Blackstaff (item not his grandfather) was in Changes, and he never touched it.

But that is book lore and may have a huge importance to the game. Or none at all.

Muhahahahahahahahah.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I read that Harry used Blackstaff at one point before his falling out with Ebenezer

P-S, you are devious. DAMN YOUR...DEVIOUSNESS!

Ok, so that is what I had thought as well, that only McCoy had used Blackstaff before, and Harry's only even seen it once. So my guess is that it may be an item, but it probably can't be stolen and it's probably not alive like I am. Just my best guess at this point though.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Also, looks like Thyr or Silanah may be good targets to get info on tonight, based on the thread right now.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Also from the OP:

"Now Winter Knight, Harry has spent this year rooting out and destroying Mabs enemies inside the white court."

So it looks like Harry is helping out the White Court (led by the White Council, which Blackstaff McCoy is a member of), and to me this means that both of those factions are opposed to the Summer Court, which is led by Mab.

OK, phew. I think that's everything we know for now.

Thoughts?

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Whoops, I totally made a typo, Mab is the head of the Winter Court, not Summer. Titania is the head of the Summer Court.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Damn, ok, I've been trying to read up on as much Dresden lore as possible, and it looks to me like the "White Court" is actually one of the vampire courts, most human-like, so the White Council is just the governing body of all wizards, not a court of any kind. Damn all this lore.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Only info I get is the alt and character name. PS reveal said something about members of the mortal realm so could be that my find doesn't necessarily work on everyone.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Gosh, this will teach me to join a TMDI 10+ game about a book I've never read. Okay, so like I said, for now let's just sit back and try to collect as much information as we can about as many of the characters as we can. When we have a good amount of information, we can start revealing and mess things up for people, as necessary.

Can you control who your find goes on? I can only get alt and character names, no power level, and only of people who are coming into my bar. And like I said, PS said something about 'people in the mortal realm' so it's quite possible there are some characters who I won't get any info on.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Yeah, we should just chill and collect info without stirring too much trouble, but Atrahal may have ruined that for us.... In a faction game like this, "outing" a faction leader, even as speculation, is a fucking huge event, and usually a mistake. Now everyone has to debate whether or not SL is actually Mab, who is the head of the Winter Court, which Dresden is clearly aligned with as the Winter Knight. This means that unless everyone ignores it (and maybe I shouldn't even have said anything), we are going to see faction lines appearing wayyyy too soon on thread, because discussion of another vote on SL is going to show whether people want Dresden dead or alive, and it also reveals that Atrahal himself is either stupid or isn't aligned with Dresden, otherwise he wouldn't have outed a faction leader allied with Dresden, even as speculation.

Fuck. We'll see what happens.

Anthras, on 09 August 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

And yeah, I can direct my find.

Fener, on 09 August 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I am not terribly worried about that kind of drama happening on thread, more confusion and he said she said seems like it would be good for us as long as no one looks too closely at us. I think as it stands, we've both been pretty useful without making ourselves seem like we're directly aligned with anyone, nor with each other, so I would be surprised if our names come up too much in their analyses. I absolutely think it's okay to let them all self-destruct at each other.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

Is it just me or Shelly making no sense? I hope we can manage a Shelly lynch today, would be interesting to see what happens.

Who you thinking of doing your find on for Night 2? I'd like to see what Atrahal or Anomandaris are, personally, but don't take that as an order just yet, let's discuss (and given the time you're usually about, I think we should have plenty of time to do that before end of Day).

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:05 AM, said:

Actually, I agree with you totally on both points - we should lynch SL, and I want to find Atrahal. Luckily you were right and shit didn't hit the fan when he started the role speculation, but I guess we really do need to lynch SL, whether she's Mab or not, especially considering we are essentially neutral at this point and have little to lose despite which faction the lynch target is a part of.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I keep going back to my PS reveal of Emurlahn. He said that only someone outside of the mortal realm entered my bar. Could there be people who are not outside the mortal realm, and maybe that's why 11 votes isn't enough for a lynch?

From what I have read, Denarians are fallen angels who possess humans via coins, right? Could it be that there are a couple of Denarians sitting in 'heaven' or wherever, who count for total needed to lynch, but who aren't in the game yet as they haven't possessed anyone? Again, just talking out of my ass, I don't really know about other supernaturals in Dresden. Will have to spend some more time on the Dresden wiki tomorrow, dig up some more info about mortal realm. Would Fae be considered non-mortal?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:57 PM

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

Something just popped out at me when I was reading up about Kincaid:

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Ebenezar McCoy threatened to kill Kincaid on sight for Kincaid's actions in Istanbul in the 19th century. The two are bitterly opposed to each other. Kincaid knows of McCoy's position as the Blackstaff of the White Council.

So I think it's safe to assume that Emurlahn and Liosan are not in the same faction.

And...

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He has overcome the issues with the human nervous system that impede accurate shooting, and so has never been known to miss a target.

So chances are he has a NK, and probably one that can kill people with a BP or something of the sort.

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I don't know enough Dresden lore either to speculate on the Denarian bit, but yeah, I think that like if, Queen Mab of the Winter Court was in your bar, they would not show up, because they are not human and maybe therefore "outside the mortal realm". In Dresden lore, there is this other realm called the Nevernever where the Fae reside and usually it's EXTREMELY dangerous for humans or wizards in particular to enter there, so there is this definite separation between mortal realm and the Nevernever.

But actually, what did P-S say exactly? Did he say that McCoy entered AND someone outside of the mortal realm entered your bar? Or only that someone outside of the mortal realm entered your bar and that was McCoy? I've gotten confused about how much info you got / how it was presented to you. Cause I McCoy is definitely a wizard and part of the mortal realm. Also, I guess we have to assume that the Nevernever (i.e., NOT the mortal realm) isn't something that actually exists or can "overlap" with another location, so the "mortal realm" comment must refer to the character, I think.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Oh, and I didn't want to say anything on thread, but I'm thinking the whole frozen underground thing is one of the reasons there were no NKs last night, the other being about people being in different locations. I imagine the freezing stopped anything from happening.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I can't quote PS messages for fear of being modkilled. He said that the only person outside the mortal realm who entered my bar was Emurlahn and that he was McCoy.

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

Something just popped out at me when I was reading up about Kincaid:

Quote

So I think it's safe to assume that Emurlahn and Liosan are not in the same faction.

And...

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He has overcome the issues with the human nervous system that impede accurate shooting, and so has never been known to miss a target.

So chances are he has a NK, and probably one that can kill people with a BP or something of the sort.

Hmm, very good thoughts, I did not know that first bit about the animosity between McCoy and Kincaid, so I would assume from this that Kincaid is allied with the Archive who is allied with Dresden, and McCoy opposes both Dresden and Kincaid. So we have some possible allegiances drawn there, that's good. Nice catch.

I think a find on Atrahal would give us some solid info, but Anom could be good too. Atrahal has been more active from the beginning though and has gotten in some interesting conversations, so that's kinda why I like him for a find.

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I can't quote PS messages for fear of being modkilled. He said that the only person outside the mortal realm who entered my bar was Emurlahn and that he was McCoy.

Oh yeah, good, I didn't mean for you to quote P-S, DO NOT GET MODKILLED.

I just was getting confused on if the wording was all together or if it was two separate events.

So...McCoy is outside the mortal realm. I wonder what that means. I mean, he's a wizard on the White Council and also the Blackstaff, which is a secret role, so I am not sure where that all fits together.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Yeah, it was all in one message. I am doing the same find NA tonight, so hopefully some more people come into my bar!

Anyway, I'm going to actually go to bed now. Talk at ya later!

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Hmm, definitely could be possible. And the freezing ability is something that I imagine something only Mab could do, who is COULD be SL....and maybe it means not only no NKs, but that no one could die at all, and she activated it before the lynch went through or something, so that essentially made her LP for the rest of the day and prevented all NKs too. That's total speculation, but who knows. That could all be total bullshit, who knows. But with no lynch and no one dying last night, I think we have the luxury of going for SL again for the lynch without losing anything.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:58 PM

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Yeah, it was all in one message. I am doing the same find NA tonight, so hopefully some more people come into my bar!

Anyway, I'm going to actually go to bed now. Talk at ya later!

Awesome dude, catch you tomorrow.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

Oh, and I agree with doing the find on Atrahal. He was my first choice, but I wanted to hear your opinion too!

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

Cool, we'll go with that then.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Alright, well, Kalse was the dragon and he got modkilled. Sucks to be him, Dragon would probably have been a fun role!

That means that we're down to 20 confirmed players. And 12 isn't enough to get a lynch on Sheltatha. I'm thinking this mortal realm thing has more and more merit by the second. There has to be some hidden players somewhere, otherwise I just don't understand the lynch mechanics at all.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Finally a Shelly lynch, so that means that Shelly was Prince Bloc. Reading up about him now, to see what I can find. The coins thing is interesting too. Wonder if he was the recruiter.

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Yep, I'm gonna be out of pocket for the next 5 hours or so, but see if you can come up with anything about Bloc. Glad we lynched SL, it definitely took more votes than normal majority to lynch him, so very interesting mechanics at play here.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Hmm, I can't find any information about prince Bloc anywhere, it's like he didn't exist - maybe Obdi made him up as a character.

So, then, we should have a look at the Fomor as a race....

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It's said that their abilities include sorcery, shapeshifting and clairvoyance. They are signitories of the Unseelie Accords, and rarely deal with humans. They are led by a man named King Corb, whose court is located in Lake Michigan. They are related to Jotuns. They have been known to trade their handywork for favors and influence, and are probably the creators of the beasts used by the Denarians. They practice entropy magic, and aren't hampered by running water like most magic users. They give off a heavy anti-technology field.

So they have a link to the Denarians - but the coins that were in Bloc's pocket were not the Denarian coins, so that shoots my recruiter theory out of the water. *shrugs* I have to assume that King Corb is amongst us somewhere. Be interesting to see Ruse, Thyrllan or Tulas Shorn's CFs.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

I have been trying to find a good description of the Denarian coin to confirm what someone said on thread, but I keep running across crossover fanfic - notably a My Little Pony/Dresden crossover, and a Harry Potter/Dresden crossover. So weird.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Here, finally:

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There are thirty Fallen, each bound to a tarnished silver Roman denarius which bears its respective Fallen's sigil; the thirty denarii represent the thirty pieces of silver paid to Judas Iscariot, and are implied to be those very coins.

So the gold coins in Bloc's pocket are indeed not Denarian coins.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

I think I'm going to shut up on thread as much as I can today, I don't want to draw too much attention. I've thrown my opinions on the three I suspected might be related to Shelly, and if PS does a vote update and shows the vote for Thyrllan, I will think about pushing a Ruse lynch, but I think I will just try to stay low profile today, I was already too instrumental in getting the Shelly lynch going again.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Heh, it's funny how everyone took my mention of the coins meaning possible recruiter and ran with it. There's been like three or four people now who have said that the scene means possible recruiting, even though someone discredited it right away. I'm going to let them keep believing what they want, as I said, more confusion = less attention sent my way!

This is gonna take awhile...more pages coming.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:21 PM

Also, the thread is awesome right now.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Yeah, you've been playing well, it's hard not to draw attention when you're in the Fener alt regardless.

So we might get Thyr here today again, really glad the SL lynch went through. I need to spend some time posting over the weekend so I'm not at the bottom of the list! Although I think most of my posts have been decently solid and had content, so even if I get tagged as a low-poster, I don't think it will stick.

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

We should make up some crazy argument to have onthread over the weekend to get both our postcounts up while distancing at the same time. Who you wanna attack/defend?

Fener, on 10 August 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

Anthras, on 10 August 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Yeah, you've been playing well, it's hard not to draw attention when you're in the Fener alt regardless.

That's what I said to PS - like, what kind of sick joke is it to put the character that needs to survive the whole game to win into the Fener alt. He's an evil sonofabitch!

Fener, on 11 August 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Heh, looks like Thyrllan was, in fact, a member of the Fomor. Sucks to be them. I wonder if I was right about Ruse too.

Fener, on 11 August 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

Okay, so I am starting to get worried about the people who are connecting me to Tulas Shorn because of his thing where he apologized to me for saying the same thing/crossposting. I am going to keep going after Ruse, but I think you should try to discredit Tulas Shorn's connection to me somehow, or at least try to get people looking somewhere else. Now that we have gotten rid of Shelly and Thyr, and if I manage to get people to look closer at Ruse and he turns out to be Fomor too, well, they're gonna run out of people to look at, and I am worried that I will be the next person they look at because I have been so vocal.

I know I said I would try to keep it quiet, but I have a hard time doing that. I think we need to find a decent case on someone else. If it looks like they're going to lynch me, I am going to start revealing the information we have to keep them off my back, but it would be better if we can get everyone to look elsewhere without having to give up our knowledge.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Couple of people moved into my pub -

Atrahal is Nicodemus (though your find probably found that out too, at least your find will get us his power level)
Tennes is Thorned Namishel

Gonna go wiki them and find out who they are!

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

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Nicodemus Archleone was a mortal man, but is now the leader of the Order of the Blackened Denarius. He is the oldest of the Denarians, and is a fully cooperative host to the fallen angel, Anduriel.

So that's confirmation that we have Denarians in play, and it looks like Atrahal is the leader. Good to know, good to know! (Our instincts were good to do a find on him - it would be interesting to see if Silanah is on his team and their big fight was distancing.

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He has a noose around his neck, which is allegedly the noose that Judas Iscariot used to hang himself. This grants him nigh invulnerability, except for being strangled the noose itself. This is, in essence, his only weakness.

The noose is probably an item that he has.

Otherwise, Thorned Namshiel doesn't work with/for him, as she is known to have stolen a bag of Denarian coins from him at one point.

Moving on to Namshiel.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Okay, that's weird...

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Namshiel, often called Thorned Namshiel, is a fallen angel, and a member of the Order of the Blackened Denarius. He is first seen, and is so far only in, Small Favor.

So it's possible/probably that Namshiel and Nicodemus ARE on the same team, even if he's known to have stolen some of the coins from Nicodemus.

Otherwise, seems like a run of the mill goon to me... Though this:

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His skills are a century or two ahead of that of Harry Dresden as evidenced by his design of a flawless Empowered Circle that could tap into a dark ley line to contain the Archive.

...means that he's against Harry, though I think that was pretty obvious to start off with.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

I am worried that people are going to start looking at me for having pushed the Shelly lynch and then the Thyrllan lynch. If it looks like they are, what do you think about you revealing re: the two Denarians? Many people have been worried about a recruiter, so I think it would be a good way to get the heat off of me.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Okay, that's weird...

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Namshiel, often called Thorned Namshiel, is a fallen angel, and a member of the Order of the Blackened Denarius. He is first seen, and is so far only in, Small Favor.

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His skills are a century or two ahead of that of Harry Dresden as evidenced by his design of a flawless Empowered Circle that could tap into a dark ley line to contain the Archive.

...means that he's against Harry, though I think that was pretty obvious to start off with.

Shit, Nicodemus is powerlevel 7. The highest there is. That alone makes me want to lynch him ASAP but the problem is that since we're neutral, it doesn't really matter who between Dresden and the Denarians as long as we survive. So we can't push too hard and draw an NK or get ourselves lynched. Atrahal is very, very dangerous.

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Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

If it comes to that, definitely a good possibility. I'll try to redirect some heat from you onto Atrahal probably, throwing in some bits about TS to discredit that contact he made with you too. But don't panic yet... let's stay alive first.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

I'm also going to reread and see if I can't make some connections between Tennes and Atrahal. Good info from last night dude.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Also like you said...if you or I start to draw heat, it's not a bad idea for you to reveal finder and point at Atrahal as the lead Denarian and probably a recruiter, which will almost certainly get him lynched (if we get the votes, what with majority not always being enough and stuff). Also, if we do get the chance to lynch Atrahal, I have an ability that can raise my owner's - that's you - defensive powerlevel by 1 for the night, so we can use that to protect you during that night in case one of his team members tries to kill you. What's your powerlevel at right now?

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Okay, that's weird...

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Namshiel, often called Thorned Namshiel, is a fallen angel, and a member of the Order of the Blackened Denarius. He is first seen, and is so far only in, Small Favor.

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His skills are a century or two ahead of that of Harry Dresden as evidenced by his design of a flawless Empowered Circle that could tap into a dark ley line to contain the Archive.

...means that he's against Harry, though I think that was pretty obvious to start off with.

I am powerlevel 6 as long as I am in my bar (3 otherwise), and I have a one time BP, but it would be better if we waited until Atrahal moved out of my bar before trying to get him lynched so as not to pull NK attention from him, but I think we need to try to get him lynched sooner rather than later. He's a dangerous guy to have around.

Like you said, let's feel out how the day is going to go down and move on from there. I am hoping that others will get the ball rolling on Ruse, as I still believe he's just as likely to be Fomor as Thyrllan was.

We're doing good at getting info though - we know who almost half the remaining players are.

You should do your find on Silanah tonight, I'd like to know who she is. What do you think?

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Ok, that is actually really good news. If you have a one-time BP then my guess is that the BP plus my ability to raise your defensive powerlevel by 1 (to 7) should protect you from a lot of NA heat. My powerlevel is half yours, so if we decided to do the info reveal on thread it should probably be you who does it, so I can avoid heat and still gather information or protect you if necessary.

I agree, we need to know who Silanah is (pretty sure he's Vengy on the inside), I'll put that in as a provisional for now.

Also not a bad idea to wait until Atrahal leaves the bar to try to lynch him, but the depending on how things work out, he may not leave, thinking your bar is a safe and neutral place for magical people, and so we might have to try to lynch him anyway - and if it fails and he tries to kill you, it should fail due to the BP. However, if he tries to recruit you...that'd be bad. Well, I guess only in the sense that we would have to focus on one team only rather than being neutral like we are now. So lots to think about....

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Looks like Ano figured out why the extra votes were needed - will be interesting to see how a lynch goes today, to see if he's right.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 August 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

I think the case on ruse is pretty weak, I just cant see there being any real connection

Sil's case on atrahal is because of his avatar, and the fact atrahal is gunning for Sil so Im pretty much ignoring that right now.

Atrahals case on Sil is almost as bad as Sil's case on him, looks like some distencing is going on, Its a little more vocal than it needs to be.

Just wanted to pull that one up - he's distancing from Atrahal and trying to protect him at the same time.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Thanks. I just grabbed as many quotes as I could from the whole thread, might take some time to weave them into a case, but I'm not too worried for now. Right now I'm just going to try and participate and get myself out of "low-poster status".

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

We could probably swing people at Silanah. I mean, you're probably not the only one who has alted him, and people always want to lynch Vengey.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Ugh, I hope this find proof mechanic speculation thing doesn't bite me in the ass. At least I can build it into a reveal. Like, I tried to do a find on Thyrllan the first night and got nothing, then did a find on Atrahal on night 2 and got a CF.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Yeah, let's wait and see how it plays out for now, you're not completely lynchable yet, but if it starts to get close, I think that reveal is not a bad idea at all, because shit will go crazy on thread and not only do you have a BP, but we have the option of boosting your defense powerlevel to the max instead of doing another find on someone.

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Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Check out this post from Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 13 August 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Lot of recruitment speculation. Thing is, the first Dresden game had 10 or so RI "plain human" roles that were essentially recruitment fodder.

From the number of factions and characters referenced in the OP, and with 21 players in the game, there doesn't seem to be any room for plain RIs again, unless a lot of unmentioned-but-expected characters are not in the game (Marcone and co., Murphy, Molly, any faeries other than Mab and Titania..?). While I think there could still be recruiting in the game, I don't think there'll be any "plain henchmen" sort of recruitments like Thyrllan looks like. But that's not to say that Butters couldn't become a Denarian, or Fix be blackmailed into coercien by the Fomor. Power Levels are probably involved - like maybe Mab/Maeve could seduce anyone under their own power level into their team, but not someone of equal power level, so that key chars like Harry or Nico or the Fomor Prince/King can't be recruited.

So if he's the head of the Denarians, and they are the recruiters, he would know the most about recruiting, and he says at the end that players of equal powerlevel couldn't be recruited, which would make sense.

So in light of this info I'm going to put in a provisional that if Atrahal is lynched, find Sil, if not, boost your powerlevel by 1. Sound good for now?

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

From my reread I am also getting the feeling that Telas is aligned with Tennes/Atrahal.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Check out this post from Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 13 August 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Works for me!

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Ugh, this shit is stressful. I kind of want to reveal just to see the thread go crazy.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Lol, I know, right? Give it a little time. I'm working myself into position still. I want to at least get a bit of distance from you before you reveal and make it clear I'm attacking their logic and not defending you. But we have time, you only have 3 votes I think.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm not going to reveal yet, I just get stressed when I get voted. I usually don't attract this much attention until later in a game.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yeah. And if/when you reveal, you can play down the "find-proof" bit because Thyr having the coins and your find not going through - that was your plan right? I think if executed properly we can turn that into a swing lynch onto Atrahal. We may not have to reveal though, let's wait and see.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Yeah, if I reveal, it will go something like this:

"Okay, okay, fine, you guys caught me, I knew more than I let on. I have a find ability.

On Night 1, I tried to do a find on Thyrllan. I knew I was going to try to push another Sheltatha Lore lynch on Day 2, so I wanted a CF on Thyrllan to confirm my suspicions that he was part of Shelly's team, in hopes that I would get Shelly's CF by managing a lynch. Unfortunately, my find came back as unsuccessful. When Anomandaris posted the excerpt about the gold coins, I jumped on that as an obvious (to me) reason that my find didn't go through. Well, that combined with my Night 2 find.

My night 2 find was on Atrahal, and he turned out to be Nicodemus Archleone, with a power level of 7. Seeing as my power level is lower than that, it was obvious that the power levels did not come into play for my find ability, so Thyrllan could not have blocked my find because of that. So, the coins were my last resort.

If you want to lynch someone worthwhile, lynch Atrahal. Nicodemus is likely the head of the Denarians, do you really want to leave him skulking about?"

I think it spins a nice little tale without giving TOO much away. I have my one BP, and your help if necessary. And this way, we have a couple of finds in our pockets to pull out as necessary. It would give me at least one more day, thus possibility of one more find. And I think that I could probably avoid another lynch tomorrow. It would definitely put a timer on my life, though, I think.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Heh, Ruse may have just made the slip I needed to wiggle my way out of this.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm going to hang back a bit and see how Atrahal responds, cause I've caught him in a bit of a bind, but Ruse just fucked up and that might be enough.

Otherwise, reveal is good, I might throw something in there more solid about how he's probably the head of the Denarian faction, which makes him extremely dangerous. I can't imagine people wouldn't do a normal finder test by voting for him and seeing if you were telling the truth or not. Meanwhile, we'll hide back and gather more info or if we are nervous about you getting recruited, I'll bump your powerlevel. Even if you have to reveal, it may fuck things up enough on thread that you won't be the main lynch target, and with your BP you can survive at least one night - and we know that if you reveal who Nico is, you've got to be "Dresden-aligned" in the thread's eyes, so someone like Emur shouldn't be targeting you with an NK or anything like that.

So, good plans. Let's see how well they execute.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

So my worry is that Tennes is also in my pub so he could potentially NK me. What location are you in? Does your power boost ability say anything about location? Do you follow me around? If Tennes is strong enough that I have to use my BP I will need to start moving from location to location every turn to make it harder for people to NK me.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Had a thought about Nico....."He has a noose around his neck, which is allegedly the noose that Judas Iscariot used to hang himself. This grants him nigh invulnerability, except for being strangled the noose itself. This is, in essence, his only weakness." That kind of sounds like the only way he can possibly die is through a lynch, due to the noose reference. Sounds like something Obdi would play into.

The Ruse ball is rolling along nicely, good job. We'll sit back and chill, Atrahal is totally ignoring me after I called him out.

I'm essentially in your pocket; where you go, I go, I have no say in the matter. My defense boost ability is not dependent on location - but if you are worried about NKs, honestly, I think the best option is to stay where you are, because your powerlevel is doubled while in your bar and I can bump it up to the maximum defense possible while you're in the pub. Outside the pub, we're both weak and easy targets. I also think NKs are going to be based around not just BPs but powerlevels, so if your defensive powerlevel is 7, I don't think you can be killed by an NK. That's my best understanding of the mechanics, anyway. Our best bet is to hole up and survive, I think, and gather knowledge when we can.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

Good suggestion on the noose thing.

I'm at six votes. Will be watching thread all evening. If I hit 8 votes, I'm revealing.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Err, I am at 5 votes actually. Stress is getting to me, I'm seeing votes that aren't there!!!

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Haha. Yeah....I may have overplayed my hand when you started getting votes, so that's probably mostly my fault. I thought maybe I can try to play middle ground and say I'd vote for either of you, and if it came down to brass tacks, I can vote you, you can reveal, and then I'm sure we'll have lots of people removing their votes. But at the same time we need to be aware of the danger of you getting lynched. It'd be a nice way to distance myself from you though.

I'm going to watch and see how things continue to progress, cause my presence was too strong earlier. if Ruse starts to get more votes, I will get on that train, but if it swings your way, maybe I'll vote you and then you reveal and then shit hits the fan. Who knows. THE TENSION!

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

That's a good idea, if I get one more vote, drop a vote on me, and when I hit 8, I will reveal. In the meantime, I'm gonna go digging for some dirt on Ruse.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Ok, cool, I'm going to post up and bitch at Atrahal and play the middle ground until either a vote drops on you or it swings towards Ruse.

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Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Also, are you going to be around consistently? I don't want to drop a vote on you when you aren't around and then see you get lynched.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Actually, what do you think about me dropping a vote on you right now? That would put you at 6. It looks like people are going to line up to lynch you; I almost think the reveal is inevitable. This would give us more distance and better timing, perhaps. It would also maybe clear you a little bit and definitely clear me for defending you. The closer my vote is to your reveal, the more connected we are.

The other option is I can drop my vote on Ruse and say I'm willing to switch to you, just to see if we can swing things towards Ruse, and if another vote comes for you, I'll switch, you reveal.

Third option is I post but don't vote and wait and see.

What do you think?

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

Go ahead and vote me, but you'll have to come up with a damn good reason, otherwise everyone's just going to scream 'DISTANCING'! Half the thread's convinced you're my lackey. LoL

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

Yeah....thing is, it's gonna be hard for me to switch from Ruse to you without claiming a) votes needed for a lynch, and day is still young, or

changed my mind somehow.

i almost want to vote Ruse to see if we can't even the odds, but people are going to connect you and I no matter what happens, since I've been going after Atrahal and he's going to be the target of your reveal.

I'M NERVOUS. Not sure where to vote. Moar thoughts?

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

From the perspective of me on thread, I think makes more sense for me to vote Ruse, and if you pick up steam then I can just bullshit my way to voting you and you can reveal. But voting Ruse also connects us more. So, balance problem. Voting Fener will seem out of character for me but will either be obvious distancing or discredit any claims of me defending you. Not sure how it'll be received.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Frankly, I don't see why we don't just let them keep speculating that we're connected. I mean, it's a faction game, it's not the end of the world if people think we're in the same faction is it? I dunno, I'm a little flustered as to what to do right now.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Yeah, faction games are fucking difficult when it comes to playing on thread, because so much is unknown and could change behind the scenes.

So maybe I vote Ruse for now? And I can vote you later if need be. And let them keep speculating until either a) you need to reveal and my vote will pressure that, or b ) Ruse gets lynched.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

I say just vote Ruse with the caveat that you'll move your vote to me if it looks like a that's where the train is headed and we'll see where it goes.

Anthras, on 13 August 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Yeah. Done.

Fener, on 13 August 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Nicely put!

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

Guh, dead thread is dead. Well, at 6 a piece for me and Ruse. I am worried to go to bed without knowing where it looks like the lynch is going to go, for fear that I will get lynched overnight.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Yeah....that sucks. How much longer will you be around?

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Yeah....that sucks. How much longer will you be around?

2-3 hours or so.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

Ok, I'm home from work.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Still not much happening on thread. I'm not sure what to do, I am going to go to bed soon, and still nothing.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

Ok, so thoughts for tonight. I'm guessing that people who haven't shown up aren't going to show up before you leave. I don't want you to get lynched overnight. That would be really bad. So what do you think? Should you just reveal before you have to leave? I do not have faith in the people on thread to get smart and not lynch you unless you pull a rabbit out of your hat.

At least shit will hit the fan and with any luck, Atrahal will get lynched. If it goes badly, you might get lynched just because you aren't around to defend yourself. I'm gonna do my best to support the reveal and it's going to line up nicely with all the shit I've been throwing Atrahal's way recently.

Also, I'm thinking that even if we Atrahal does end up getting lynched, maybe we should hole up for the night and I should powerboost you in case recruit powers pass down or something or even if Ruse gets lynched and Atrahal tries to recruit you. I think he was revealing real info on thread when he said people with the highest powerlevels can't get recruited, and my ability will give you that if we stay in the pub. We already have at least two more reveals in our pockets - Emur and Tennes - to put out there for people who may go along with the Atrahal lynch but are suspicious of you as a real finder. So we can afford to lose a find tonight and try to protect you instead.

What do you think?

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Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Oh man....I hope I didn't miss you.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:44 AM, said:

PLEASE STILL BE ONLINE D:

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

If we seriously missed each other by a single minute, I'm going to start killing things.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

NOOOOO COME BAACKKKKK

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

YOU SAID 2-3 HOURS DAMMIT IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN 2 SHIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

Notice how I panic when things go badly? Fuck. I'm going to stay up as late as I can and see what happens....you should just check in one more time. And reveal. And that would be great. Otherwise I have this really sinking feeling you are going to be lynched and there is nothing I can do about it.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

You really think I should reveal?

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

Oh man, you're back. Whew. Ok, let's talk.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

I couldn"t help myself, I was thinking about the game while I was reading, and decided to check it quick before I turned out my light to pass out. Glad I did, you seemed a little stressed. LoL

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

So PS just confirmed that I don't have to be in my bar to use my NAs, so if someone tries to NK me and my BP gets used up, I am going to start moving from location to location every single move phase, and continue to use my finder ability. I also have the ability to nullify all actions into, out of and inside the pub, but only once every three days.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

I think you should do whatever you think is best; I'm gonna follow your lead and support you either way. But at this point, honestly, I think you are going to get lynched, probably overnight while we're both asleep. I can just feel it coming, but maybe i'm just paranoid and nothing will have changed by then. The only reason I suggest a reveal is that because the day doesn't end with a lynch, you can argue that lynching Atrahal will prove you are trustworthy and have information that people want and need, and after he dies and we get his CF and you are cleared, the day will continue. So we still have a chance to like, lynch Tennes or someone else or do whatever, cause the day will last for the full 36 hours. So we could get away with it and I doubt many roles have day action kills or recruits or anything, so we get more time to strategize.

But it's your life on the line. What do you think? What do you think will happen if you DON'T reveal?

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

I couldn"t help myself, I was thinking about the game while I was reading, and decided to check it quick before I turned out my light to pass out. Glad I did, you seemed a little stressed. LoL

lol..indeed. I'M STRESSED MAN

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

I am a little stressed out about it too. Rashan seems to be abstaining from voting, so that leaves 5 more people. I am assuming that we need 10 votes to lynch, but who knows in this game. We wouldn't be able to use our Tennes information until another night has passed if I reveal the way I suggested above. The point is to make it seem like I have only one find per night, so I don't want to ruin that illusion until I really have to.

I think I will go ahead and reveal, cause it seems like the safer route.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

OK, well, I'll just be following wherever you go, but it makes me nervous to be outside the safety of your pub, cause of the powerlevel drop. People don't know who you are yet (I'm assuming). But it could be useful to know who's there while we're moving around...

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Hmm, now Rashan said he'd probably vote Ruse. That's 7-6 with 5 votes outstanding.

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Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

I forgot to tell you, if I have to use my BP, it kicks me into another location at random, so I would have no choice but to start moving around. I could ostensibly just go back to my pub and we could hole up. You could use your power level boost every night and I could just use my pub find every night. As long as people keep moving into the pub we would have a steady stream of intel to feed to the thread without having to worry overmuch about me getting NK'd, then we would just need to keep the lynches away from me.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Yeah, hmmmm......

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Ah ok, didn't know that. So yeah, it looks like it might swing to Ruse, it also seems like it could just hang until tomorrow morning. I just worry about those people out there who want a lynch and are going to kill you.

So maybe revealing isn't the best idea. Fuck. So much to consider.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

Also, my ability to freeze everything in a location does not say that it is specific to my pub, so I think I would be able to freeze all actions in whatever location I was in. That being said, it would also kill your find ability or your powerlevel boost, so the only thing I see it being useful for is to stop a NK, which I think your powerlevel boost would be sufficient to block.

Do you remember if the move phase happens before NAs are resolved?

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Arg, this is making my brain hurt.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

Heh, Emurlahn's snarky comment almost makes me wanna say something along the lines of "Yeah, the real McCoy" but that would just be a bitchy thing to do, and probably draw his vote over to me instead.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

Fuck it, I am going to reveal.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:45 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

LOL that would be hilarious. But yes, too dangerous.

Also, yes, move actions resolve at the beginning of the phase, so all moves happen before any NAs.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

Fuck it, I am going to reveal.

Haha, okay man, fuck it is right. Make me proud. Fuck it all up in that thread and see what happens. Damn, this is tense.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

So then as long as I continued to move, the only way someone could NK me is if they were in the location I moved to and did a NK. Am about to post my reveal, get ready for pandemonium!

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

You should change your find to Ruse for tonight. We need to know what he is, because a find on him would be my most obvious next move.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

You should change your find to Ruse for tonight. We need to know what he is, because a find on him would be my most obvious next move.

Ok, done.

I have to admit, it takes a pair of balls to pull this reveal out. I am so stoked BUT TENSE. Whatever happens, this has been a great game so far dude.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Alright, what do you think:

I will quote Emurlahn's snarky post, then say the following...

Actually, it's cause I have information that has the potential to stir things up, and I don't want to die without a chance to reveal, so here goes...

You guys were right, I knew more than I let on. I have a find ability.

On Night 1, I tried to do a find on Thyrllan. I knew I was going to try to push another Sheltatha Lore lynch on Day 2, so I wanted a CF on Thyrllan to confirm my suspicions that he was part of Shelly's team, in hopes that I would get Shelly's CF by managing a lynch. Unfortunately, my find came back as unsuccessful. When Anomandaris posted the excerpt about the gold coins, I jumped on that as an obvious (to me) reason that my find didn't go through. Well, that combined with my Night 2 find.

My night 2 find was on Atrahal. After the spat between him and Silanah, I wanted to find out if he had some kind of power role, and he turned out to be Nicodemus Archleone. Now, from what I have read of Nicodemus online, he's a badass motherfucker, so I am assuming he has a higher power level than I do. It seemed obvious to me that the power levels did not come into play for my find ability, so Thyrllan could not have blocked my find because of that. So, the coins were my last resort.

If you want to lynch someone worthwhile, lynch Atrahal. Nicodemus is likely the head of the Denarians, and I believe that if anyone in the game has a recruit ability, it's the Denarians. I tried to push the Ruse lynch because I do believe he's attached to the Fomor and I did not want to have to reveal just yet. That being said, with the votes being 7 on Ruse and 6 on me, with 5 people who haven't voted yet, it seems like it would be very easy for those 5 to throw their votes on me while I was sleeping.

So there ya have it...

remove vote
vote Atrahal

My find tonight will be on Ruse, cause I damn well want to know who he is.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Dude. Do it. Go with God, my friend.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

Gods, I am gonna have the worst night's sleep.

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Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

If I die anyway, good luck!

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

Hah! Well done man. Well done. I applaud your boldness. And yes, whatever happens, good luck.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

If we manage to pull this off, well, we're frikkin amazing! Then it will be a game of hope we find the useful reveals. At least we still have Tennes in our back pocket. He's obviously not going to vote for Atrahal, but I am sure we can swing enough people to figure out where to look tomorrow night. I will do my find ability tonight and hope my BP doesn't end up getting used. I am worried about Tennes role though. If he has the ability to pierce a BP like I suspect, he might be able to NK me. Think I should move just in case?

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

G'night dude, here's hoping I don't get lynched overnight!

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

Ok, I'm assuming you're gone for the night, but I'm out for an hour or so. DUUUUDE. Tension. I'm loving it. Great reveal. If this doesn't get Atrahal lynched then everyone in this game should be banned from mafia forever. God I love mafia.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

If you're alive after we wake up in the morning we can totally discuss this, cause the day will not time out after the lynch, it will continue on. So I'm not sure yet but don't worry about it. Either way, if we both survive tonight (not the game night, but sleeping), I declare victory.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Wow, what a day! Hehehe, I'm thinking I should reveal as an independent role, maybe survive another day.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

I lost patience. All info out on thread. This ought to be fun!

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Good luck by the way, I don't see myself surviving for much longer.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Incidentally, you should probably push for my lynch to distance yourself from me, otherwise people are gonna go after you when I die.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Ruse has revealed as the last Fomor, btw, so you might as well move your find. I would recommend moving it to Anomander or Tellan or Telas. Any of those three would be interesting to get a CF on.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Yeah, Anomander for sure is what I'm thinking. So has your BP been used? Because if not, we actually have a good chance of staying alive.

Ruse said he tried to kill you with his power level of 6. Your power level in the pub is 6. If that gets evaluated BEFORE the BP comes into play, then when I boost you to 7, you are going to be sitting pretty in the pub. And I think that no one could recruit or kill you. What do you think about trying that out?

Nice reveals btw.

We could have kept some back, but it doesn't matter in the end, everyone is scrambling, and thanks for not throwing me under the bus.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Nope, it never got used. So with your boost ability, I would definitely survive being attacked by Atrahal... But seeing as no one is going to come into the pub anymore, and seeing as I don't see myself living very much longer, I was thinking of screwing with people's shit and running around and according neutral territory. But that would screw your find ability up.

I don't know, if we stay in the pub tonight, you will HAVE to use your power boost or Atrahal will kill me. Which means no find.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Yeah, but that's ok, you can say you protected yourself instead or something. Surviving are the VCs, not finding. So we survive, try to lynch Atrahal again (whether he comes after you or not), and see what happens. He dies, we keep finding; he doesn't, we keep surviving.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

I was thinking more along the lines of me moving to another location tonight so you can do a find and I can put even more information on thread. They're going to lynch me eventually, we can pretty much guarantee that, so I think it would make sense to try to get as much information as I can find out on thread before I die.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Hmm...very possible. I guess you could be right, they may end up lynching you.\

I've got to head to work and think some more, back in an hour or so.

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Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Okay, so I have already put my move action in for move to Lincoln Park, so I will be moving there at beginning of night to get away from Atrahal. It seems people are wiling to let me live so long as I stop revealing. I will see if that's actually the case. I have used my NA to see who's in my bar again during night, so I should know who all is in there when I move back at the end of night. You should use your find on someone, Telas or Tellan, and hope that I surive the night!

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Gods, if this reveal fest allows me to survive to end of the game, I am gonna shit myself.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Ok, as far as I know, you can't change that move now. So what worries me is that Nico may be so powerful that his kills are not limited by location. Which worries me. Not only for you, but if he kills you, he takes me from you as well...and I don't think he likes me very much.

My thoughts were to hole up in the bar and boost up to 7 and try to survive. But there are possibilities:

a) Atrahal being lynched means he can't do anything till the next day, i.e., no NAs (good for us)

b ) Atrahal CAN use NAs, targets you, fails cause you're gone (good for us)

c) Atrahal/Nico can use NAs without location restrictions and you're a dead man, probably, and so am I.

d) Nico can't kill but can only recruit and has lots of protection.

Thoughts about any of that?

Also I feel like people are going to be avoiding your bar because you'll then know who they are. But the independent find also gives you more than just the pub, so that's good (on thread).

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Gods, if this reveal fest allows me to survive to end of the game, I am gonna shit myself.

So true man.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Your breakdown seems pretty good. I figured the lynch would probably keep him from performing NAs, but it seemed to me that the only thing that I could do to get more info while keeping myself most likely safe was to move out of there for tonight. This way if he can still do a NK and it doesn't cross locations, then I shouldn't die tonight.

I figure people WILL be avoiding my bar, but that's fine with me. If there's no one in my bar, then I likely don't need you to boost my powerlevel to keep me alive, which will allow you to continue doing finds while I keep an eye on who's coming into the bar. If we see someone powerful coming into the bar, then you can boost my power level for a night, and we can hope they move out the next night.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Yeah, that's true, I'm just worried that without the extra power level you get from being in the pub, if you get targeted with a cross-location NK from Atrahal, we both lose the game.

So for now, we'll go with your plan, I'll do a find, you move and check the pub, and we hope we get to stay alive. And hopefully the lynch on Atrahal also prevents him from submitting a move action. So he won't be able to do that until the next game night, which is a long way off. If his abilities are location-specific, that's great news. If he can recruit across locations though, i wonder.... if he wouldn't recruit you? Can you be recruited, do you know? P-S is not answering my questions when I try to clarify my abilities, it's actually getting annoying now, he doesn't even respond.

For instance - I am pretty sure that you can give me to someone else, since I am an Item. But P-S won't clarify whether that's actually true, or if it's a day action or night action, or if you have to be in the same location, or what. No info about it at all. So I have no clue. But I do want to say - if a lynch starts rolling up on you, try to give me away instead of letting someone on the lynch train get me, because we have no idea who it will be. Right now we have been hunting Fomor and Denarians all game, so I think although we're neutral, our best bet at staying alive is siding with Dresden. So if you think you're going to be lynched, I would say your best bet is to try to give me to Silanah, since he appears to be Harry (he hasn't denied it, no counter reveal). Would you be ok with that? It's a bit selfish on my part, but I do want to survive because if I don't, I lose. And also if you get recruited by a Denarian or something, things will change pretty drastically for us (unless you can't be recruited, which would be awesome - although that may be based on power levels again, so returning to the pub isn't a bad idea possibly at some point). But yeah, what do you think of that? I didn't mention it before because I had no clarification from P-S and I didn't want you to give me away anyway, I think we have so far dominated this game as a team. So I want to stay together as long as possible, but on my end, if you die, it benefits me more to fall into someone's hands on Dresden's side, from the comments Atrahal made and the way you revealed and got him lynched and you and I are obviously somehow connected, plus Dresden's team has to be stronger at this point unless there has been major recruiting.

Anyway, long post. Let me know what you think.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

If it looks like I am getting lynched, I will try to give you away. But only if I am really close to it. I don't want to give you away, you're MY BOB THE SKULL!

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

It would actually be kind of funny if the Denarians recruited me, because everyone on thread assumes that I am neutral. We might be able to coast right to the end and win for the Denarians without anyone ever suspecting I had been recruited. Hehehee

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

If it looks like I am getting lynched, I will try to give you away. But only if I am really close to it. I don't want to give you away, you're MY BOB THE SKULL!

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. If you realllllly think you are about to get lynched, try to give me away, but otherwise, I'm your Bob the Skull.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Haha, wow, actually, that could be very true, esp. since it looks like Nicodemus is going to be a hard one to kill. lol. Regardless, we are sailing smooth right now. Good work dude.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:39 PM

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Do you really die if I die? Like, wouldn't you just move to someone else's hands?

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Do you really die if I die? Like, wouldn't you just move to someone else's hands?

No, you're exactly right, I'm just transferred to whoever killed you, sorry if I was unclear about that. I was assuming that Atrahal would be the one to kill you and therefore I'd fall into his hands and I'm just getting this feeling that he would rather find a way to kill me at this point rather than use my abilities.

So don't let him kill you.

If you get recruited, it should be all good because I should stay right with you, though.

LIkewise, if you get lynched, I have no idea who I will be transferred to, P-S won't clarify that for me, so that's why I asked if you would at least try to submit some action to P-S that would transfer me to someone specific before you were lynched.

Anthras, on 14 August 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

I'm gonna be out till later this evening.

Fener, on 14 August 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Okey doke! Have a good night!

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

I'm putting my find on D'riss based on that bad vote for Ruse by not removing first. I want to accuse him of doing it on purpose, but hopefully this information will be useful and probably prove it one way or another.

I just looked and D'riss voted for SL on night 1; he didn't vote for SL's lynch on day 2, also didn't vote for Thry's lynch on day 2; voted for Atrahal but then fucks up the Ruse vote and keeps him from getting lynched. If the Fomor could recruit, SL may have recruited D'riss on night one, meaning that he could be a Fomor recruit.

Fuck, I just realized I don't get faction info with my find, just character and powerlevel. Well. Shit. I guess I'll post my D'riss-as-Fomor theory tomorrow.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

You won't be the first one to note that Driss could have been recruited, so it won't be coming right out of left field. I think you should change your find to someone else though.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Hmm, ok. I agree the D'riss find is a waste. NIght hasn't ended so I can still change things up. Silanah it is. Confirmation would definitely be nice. Tellan doesn't look to be a Denarian from the way he's advocating an Atrahal lynch straight away. Rashan is a ?, Telas sometimes seems like he was for Atrahal but came around...actually, it would be nice to know who Anomander is. I'm betting he's a power player, a Queen of either Summer or Winter Court is my guess. But let me know what you think. As far as I know I can change my action up until resolution.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Yeah, Anomander's been on my find-dar for a while, but I think I would still prefer a confirmation of Silanah's role over a find on Anomander. I'm thinking that we should do Silanah tonight, Anomander tomorrow, and Telas or Rashan after that.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ok, sounds like plan. Until everything goes crazy wrong somehow.

But until then, it's a good plan. I've submitted my action, just waiting on night to be over.

Also I think we should be pushing for an Atrahal lynch ASAP, because we don't want him communicating to his teammates if at all possible. Plus, you know, it'd be good to get rid of him, if we can.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Agreed on Atrahal lynch. That was my plan. I don't think it will be terribly hard to get everyone on that train, personally.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Ok, so we moved to Lincoln Park. All that stuff in the night resolution about something growing and surrounding the Park, well, it prevented my find from going through. Got no info whatsoever, except essentially exactly how P-S describes Lincoln Park on thread, which prevented me from doing anything all night.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Also it looks like someone in Lincoln Park was targeted by one of these three beams - could be targeted at me or you or anyone else here, but the prevention of whoever that was supposed to kill also prevented my Find. So...I think we count ourselves lucky on that one, because surviving >> Find.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Yeah, I got a message saying that vines stopped me from moving back to the pub. That's okay though, I don't mind, though it doesn't tell me if Atrahal moved out of my pub or not. *shrugs* Submitting my move back to Pub for next night phase now.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Ok, good deal. Wouldn't have mattered anyway - Atrahal is dead, and so is Tennes, so we did our jobs well there. I can't believe how well it all has turned out, actually.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Seriously, I think that the 2nd beam was aimed at me, specially if it was Emurlahn as some people have suggested. He threatened that I would regret doing the reveal. Luckily the summer queen must have made the roots thing happen, which ultimately protected me (or whoever it was that did the roots thing)

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

If that was a reusable ability, and if it's likely Blackstaff, I am very much interested in getting him lynched. I threw the suggestion on thread, we'll see where it goes from there.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Haha...I do not think you should have revealed that you moved.

So far nobody in the game has revealed their position except you, since you're Mac and you own the pub. Everyone has been totally silent. There's no guarantee that you were the target, but if you WERE, no one would have known because they would think you were still in the pub. But now they know you were in the Park, and they are assuming you are the target - when in fact it could have been anyone else in this location.

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Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Also, if something was protecting you in Lincoln Park, you've already submitted your move back to the pub, so we're going to the pub no matter what, unless this thing around the Park prevents us from doing so.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

So let's tread carefully here. Don't reveal more than you have to and don't get too defensive either. Also, I have a proposition for you that I will outline in one minute.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Let me know when you're back and we can discuss tonight's options, assuming neither of us get lynched. I think we have two strong plays to make but I'm not sure which we should do yet.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

I am more for playing with my cards on the table right now. I think the only way I survive is if I really convince people that I am harmless to them. I am going to keep going with (almost) full disclosure. I will continue leaving you out of it.

It's funny that I was right about Emurlahn. He must be so pissed that his NK on me failed.

For now, I think for tonight we should be safe for you to do a find. I will do my bar find in case someone comes into the bar.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

You should definitely keep pushing for a possible Fomor lynch. I'll move my vote there if I can't get people on board for an Emurlahn lynch.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

That's my 2 cents for now, have a meeting, be back in an hour.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Ok, so here's the deal - let's assume your move back into the bar is successful.

I think we should do one of two things, and I apologize for not telling you about this ability before, but it didn't seem relevant and I sort of thought it was not going to be that useful because it would prevent me from protecting you with the powerboost if I needed to at the last minute.

1) We hole up in the bar, powerboost you to 7 to prevent NKs, and see what happens the next day.

2) I have a day action, but there is a catch - for me to use it, you have to agree, and I can't use other abilities for the next night and day. My owner has to let me use it. If you agree, I can "leave" for 24 hours and go gather massive information (this is something that Bob does in the books a number of times). I can get the complete role PMs of any 2 players, minus any information about any teammates they may have - but the catch is that I can't do anything for a full day/night cycle. Meaning, I could not do a find tonight or boost your power level, and I could also not use the day action again tomorrow. But tomorrow night, I can use abilities again like normal.

So - my thoughts are that the day action should resolve instantly and we'll have two more player's info to play with on thread if we need to. But, it leaves you vulnerable if you get NK'd by someone with a powerlevel of 7. And if you can't move back to the bar, you're also vulnerable, which makes the day action seem more appealing.

What do you think?

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Also, as far as Emur, I kind of agree with him, I wouldn't have outed him as Blackstaff until necessary, we had enough info already to make your reveal believable. But that's something we'll have to deal with now I suppose.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

I have my ability to turn the bar neutral, so you can do your Day action today, I can make my bar neutral tonight so any NKs sent my way will fail, and then tomorrow night you can do your power boost to keep me safe, and I can do my bar find in case someone comes into the bar. Then we go back to doing finds.

I like it. I think you should do your Day action on Anomander and Silanah. What do you think?

And fuck Emur, I am much more interested in keeping people looking at other people and having the thread be confused. Maybe it would have been fine to hold back, but then he could just as easily come on and say "Hey, I was in the bar on Night 1, but you didn't say anything about me!" blah blah blah. Nah, I am going to keep playing with my cards on the table.

Don't worry though, I will keep your Day action secret. Having a third find ability would really just be too much of a stretch for people to believe it. But yes, I think it will be very good!

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

The wording on my Neutral territory thing is vague enough that I think it will work in whatever location I am in. It says it makes all actions into, out of and inside my current location invalid. Not my bar, my current location.

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Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Oh yeahhh, I forgot you can do the same thing to your bar and prevent all actions. My action being a day action makes this perfect, we can use it now, protect ourselves tonight, and resume gathering info tomorrow from the pub.

Also, I was going to suggest Anom and Sil.

So yeah, those are good targets.

And yeah, I'm not concerned about Emur as much as I am about you dying.

If we hadn't moved to Lincoln Park I think you probably would have been toast, so props for the move and getting majorly lucky.

And yeah, if you have to reveal more info about this, make it seem like it's all coming from the abilities you've already revealed; more abilities will make people too suspicious of you.

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Ok, I've submitted my 24 Hours action to P-S. It's probably easiest if you just PM him and officially approve of my action - that you're releasing me for the action and you give your permission for me to use it.

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Just thought of something - do you think the vines would mess up your Day action or are they night only?

Fener, on 15 August 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Never mind, PS PM says I can't do anything all night cause of the vines. No mention of Day. Have approved your Day action with PS

Anthras, on 15 August 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Ok, great. Yeah, I think the vines/freezing/your neutral thing all only apply to NAs. So day should be totally clear, which is why it benefits us so much right now. P-S hasn't even read my PMs in 6 hours, so who knows when he'll resolve this, he hasn't been around much since Kalse was modkilled. So no idea when it will go through, but I will let you know when it does.

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

Just a random aside, I think we should maybe look at Eloth next time we can do a find. He has been playing pretty smoothly, not causing any big ripples. He's obviously opposed to the Denarians, but gods know there are a few other factions he could be a part of. I am still weary of Telas and Tellan, but I don't know, they just don't strike me as having that much in terms of scary weight.

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Okay, seeing as there isn't any interest in an Emurlahn lynch, I am going to try to push a Liosan lynch based on a possible Denarian recruit. Like I have said on thread, I am very interested in getting rid of anyone who has a NK ability, so if I can push a lynch on Liosan, I will.

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

I am about to go to bed, but I wanted to mention that I think we should make a list of everyone that's left alive and try to sort them out based on what we know. Once we have more info on Silanah and Anomandaris, I think we can be relatively close to knowing who is working with who based on what is on thread. Using that we should be able to direct the thread well enough to get rid of all factions but one. I am still all for working with/for Dresden if we can find him

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

So here's what we got so far.

===================================================

Ampelas - pops up with good content then disappears, hard to get a good read here
Anomandaris - hasn't said a word yet on Day 3, I wonder what's up there
Anthras - Bob the Skull
~~Atrahal - Nicodemus~~ NK'd by Emurlahn (confirmed by Emurlahn)
D'riss - Suspected Fomor recruit, now that we have killed off 4 fomor, I think this is unlikely, but he's still shifty
Eloth - Another one that pops up with some useful content then disappears, one of the first to suggest Telas and Tellan as possible Denarian recruits
Emurlahn - Ebenezer 'Blackstaff' McCoy (confirmed by Emurlahn on thread)
Fener - Mac McAnally
~~Kalse - Ferovax the Dragon~~ Modkilled
Kaschan - agrees that Tellan is probably a Denarian, has been advocating my death since my mass reveal
Liosan - Jared Kincaid the Hellhound (confirmed Bob the Skull find)
Osseric - advocated lynching me for my find proof slip, deflected from Denarians back onto Fomor until Tulas lynch, then moves on to Denarian culture hunt
Rashan - participated in the Fomor culture hunt, has been a strong advocate of the Tellan is a Denarian thing
~~Ruse - Fomor Servitor~~ NK'd by Emurlahn (confirmed by Emurlahn)
~~Sheltatha Lore - Prince Bloc~~ lynched on Day 2 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
Silanah - suspected Harry Dresden, hasn't denied or confirmed, has been mostly helpful, participating on lynches, but I don't remember him ever making any big cases or pushing any cases very hard
Telas - mostly a non-entity the last couple of days just pops in and agrees/disagrees with cases, was bundled with Tellan for a while, but has since agreed that Tellan is likely Denarian.
Tellan - currently suspected Denarian recruit, tried to push a lynch of me before lynching Atrahal whan I revealed, started scrambling when he was accused today, looks like he's going to get lynched today.
~~Tennes - Thorned Namshiel~~ lynched on Day 3 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
~~Thyrllan - Fomor servitor~~ lynched on Day 2 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
~~Tulas Shorn - Fomor servitor~~ lynched on Day 3 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Given the above, I think my favourites for finds following this 24 hour thing are Ampelas and Eloth.

I am assuming you're not allowed to talk to me while you're away checking out Silanah and Ano, so when you're back, we'll have to have a chat about all this.

Anthras, on 16 August 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Ok, sorry, I was just really busy last night - nothing in my ability says I can't talk to you while I'm out on my little mission.

So, we gained massive information last night. I need to find a way to write it all out to you without quoting P-S and getting modkilled.

Most importantly, Silanah is confirmed to be Harry Dresden, and Anomander is one of his allies. I strongly recommend you don't reveal or confirm any of this on thread right now until I can get you more info and we can discuss. But, it's big stuff. They are big dogs. If we're interested in helping them win (and winning ourselves), we have a good chance of them doing it.

The Tellan lynch is good, who knows who he is, probably a Denarian though. I also still find D'riss suspicious.

Stay tuned.

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Looks like Tellan was a Fomor, very interesting.

And glad to hear that Silanah has been confirmed as Dresden. Don't worry, I have no reason to reveal anything, so I won't. Besides, if they're working together, and they're the faction I would like help win, then there's no reason for me to reveal their info.

Yeah, D'riss IS suspicious, but I can't connect him to anyone, and now that we have found yet another Fomor, I am both more and less likely to believe that he is a Fomor.

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

What is Anomander's character name?

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

Fener, on 16 August 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

So here's what we got so far.

===================================================

Ampelas - pops up with good content then disappears, hard to get a good read here
Anomandaris - hasn't said a word yet on Day 3, I wonder what's up there - Donar Vadderung, aligned with Dresden
Anthras - Bob the Skull
~~Atrahal - Nicodemus~~ NK'd by Emurlahn (confirmed by Emurlahn)
D'riss - Suspected Fomor recruit, now that we have killed off 4 fomor, I think this is unlikely, but he's still shifty
Eloth - Another one that pops up with some useful content then disappears, one of the first to suggest Telas and Tellan as possible Denarian recruits
Emurlahn - Ebenezer 'Blackstaff' McCoy (confirmed by Emurlahn on thread)
Fener - Mac McAnally
~~Kalse - Ferovax the Dragon~~ Modkilled
Kaschan - agrees that Tellan is probably a Denarian, has been advocating my death since my mass reveal
Liosan - Jared Kincaid the Hellhound (confirmed Bob the Skull find)
Osseric - advocated lynching me for my find proof slip, deflected from Denarians back onto Fomor until Tulas lynch, then moves on to Denarian culture hunt
Rashan - participated in the Fomor culture hunt, has been a strong advocate of the Tellan is a Denarian thing
~~Ruse - Fomor Servitor~~ NK'd by Emurlahn (confirmed by Emurlahn)
~~Sheltatha Lore - Prince Bloc~~ lynched on Day 2 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
Silanah - confirmed Harry Dresden
Telas - mostly a non-entity the last couple of days just pops in and agrees/disagrees with cases, was bundled with Tellan for a while, but has since agreed that Tellan is likely Denarian.
Tellan - currently suspected Denarian recruit, tried to push a lynch of me before lynching Atrahal whan I revealed, started scrambling when he was accused today, looks like he's going to get lynched today.
~~Tennes - Thorned Namshiel~~ lynched on Day 3 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
~~Thyrllan - Fomor servitor~~ lynched on Day 2 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)
~~Tulas Shorn - Fomor servitor~~ lynched on Day 3 (identity confirmed by lynch scene)

My updates in red. So now I finally have time to lay out what I got from my day action.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Okay, as long as Ano is aligned with Dresden I am good with going elsewhere. I wish he had been more active today so I didn't make it seem like I was against him for being inactive. I am still curious where he's at. So who you thinking for teams? I mean, there must still be summer and winter out there. If a situation where I need to reveal comes out again, I only have Dresden info. If I need to, I will turn on them to keep myself alive.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

Ok, here's the general gist, and let me say, I don't think we should reveal any of this on thread yet because it's pretty powerful stuff.

Silanah is Dresden. Anom is this other obscure guy who is way powerful (see his name in red above) - the wiki says he's actually the god Odin, and his powerlevel is 8 (boosted from 7 through use of an item). Dresden is 7 except when he's on Demonreach - then his powerlevel is 10.

Anom has some serious NK power, not location restricted, and he can't be recruited by humans. His VCs are to stay alive, make sure Dresden is alive, and oddly enough, keep ME out of the Dragon's hands. Dragon is modkilled, so that is fulfilled.

Here's the thing about Dresden's VCs. He has to eliminate the Fomor; he has to eliminate the guy that Tennes was (completed); and...he has to acquire possession of Bob the Skull. Aka, me. And the only way to do that is either for him to kill you to get it, or for you to "drop it" and have him get it. So...I've asked P-S to clarify how items are transferred, and he said he will not give any more info than was in the OP, which says:

"If you have an item, it can change your power level, or grant you new abilities. If you kill someone with an Item, you pick up the item and it becomes yours. You can drop non-cursed items at any time, if you no longer want that item. Some well known items can be stolen or tracked. If you have an item, you will learn more in your Role PM. If you acquire an item, you will receive a PM from Path-Shaper explaining it. "

So, what does "drop" mean? I'm not a cursed item, so I can definitely be dropped. But can I be "given" to someone? I don't know exactly, and I don't know what happens to me if I'm "dropped". Does everyone in that location know there's an item there or something? No idea.

But here's my thing. We have played well as a team together so far. We both need to survive the game to win; i.e., we can win even if Dresden loses. HOWEVER. The game ends when someone's VCs are met, right? And that's why our VCs are like, "survive till the game ends." We can't do anything to "achieve" our VCs outside of someone ELSE achieving theirs and thereby ending the game.

Dresden's VCs are not like that. He has specific goals. If he meets his 3 VCs, the game ends. We know one for sure is met (Tennes dead); the Fomor are PROBABLY toast, but maybe not, we should still hunt them down; and then he has to actually have possession of me.

So, what does that mean for us? We have a few options.

1) We hole up in the pub and continue trying to survive till someone wins; unless you die, that will never be Dresden, and the other factions are much weaker than Dresden's right now. McCoy killed Nicodemus, right? Well, Dresden starts off as the ONLY person who "knows" how to kill Nico by using the noose. He can only share this info with one person every other day, and once they have that info, they can kill Nico too. That's the only way Nico can die. This means that Silanah TOLD Emur about how to kill Nico, otherwise not even his 3 NK beam ability would have worked. It's the knowledge that mattered. So Dresden's team is powerful.

2) We try to arrange things to where you give me to Dresden without dying. I actually think this is our best option. Example: let's say hypothetically that TS was the last Fomor. All Dresden needs to win is having possession of me. So if you gave me to him, the game would end, and we would both win because we would both still be alive.

I don't want you to die, but I think the odds of you dying will increase as the game goes on, just because of your reveal and your visibility on thread. So the sooner we end the game while we're alive, the sooner we win.

Basically, I think you should try to submit an action to P-S right now, before day ends, and try to give me to Silanah. Like, word it just like that - "Give Bob the Skull to Silanah" or something. WCS, nothing happens and you can't give me away like that - for instance, maybe both players have to be in the same location to transfer items like that. Right now you're in Lincoln Park - and Dresden's starting area was Lincoln Park, even though Demonreach is his safe haven. Dresden can also track me if he wants to. Like, he can find out where I am using an NA. So here's the thing, if you wait too long or appear to come out against Dresden, he can probably kill you, and if he thinks you have me, he will, and he definitely has the power to.

So my goal is to keep us both alive by appealing to Dresden. If giving me to him right now doesn't work, then we try to signal him to come to the pub so that you can either drop me and he can pick me up, or you can try "giving" me to him again. And actually, it's possible that Dresden is in Lincoln Park right now, like we are, so it might work if you try it right now.

In the end, I think if we don't try to make Dresden win, we will get torn apart in the end by the rest of Winter/Summer players and Denarians, if there are any. If I die, Dresden can't win, which means you become less valuable to everyone on thread. I have no idea, but Silanah may already know you have me, just because it's possible he's been tracking my movements. So I think we should try to end the game as soon as possible, but without dying.

If your action about giving me to Silanah fails, some comment on thread like, "Hey Sil, come to the pub for some special brew" might signal him enough to have him move to our location so he can give me to you. I think someone already said something like that on thread, might have been him. Anyway I'm going to send this so you can read it.

I'm being totally honest with you about what I found because I think we can make it work out to where we both survive; otherwise, you're going to become a target because other teams need me to fulfill their VCs. And if that gets fucked up somehow, I'm willing to bet you won't survive long after, either. So let me know what you think. And I honestly think trying _right now_ to give me to Silanah is the best play we can make, because it could theoretically end the game.

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Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Ok, if you reveal on Dresden and his buddies, they will destroy you, man, they can reach anyone from pretty much anywhere and my abilities can't help you. So I would lean towards trying to buddy up to them instead of revealing on them.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

So last thought on the tail end of all this - I could have betrayed you by lying about the info on Sil and Anom, and you could betray me by revealing me on thread. There are a lot of ways where we could backstab the other one right now, with all this info. But, like I said, we've done well, I trust you, and I want us BOTH to win. If I didn't I would just either lie to you or reveal stuff on thread. So I hope you believe me when I say I'm trying to help us both.

Anyway, hopefully you feel the same, and let me know what you think about everything. Lots of shit to process. But the game is now less about lynching and more about achieving someone's VCs while we are both alive.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

So, basically, if we want to win this right away, I give you to Silanah, right? I am willing to do that to give Dresden the win and fulfill my VC.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

BTW, I absolutely trust you, I think we have played this game awesomely, and I think that you are just as interested in winning this as I am.

Regardless, I have made a promise not to reveal on thread, so I can milk that to continue trying to survive until the end.

I suppose it's a big risk for me to do this, because if you're lying it would be tougher for me to win. But I am going to try to hand you to Silanah regardless, because I don't think you're lying.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Okay, so I have cancelled my NA that makes all actions within the bar not happen, I have asked to give you to Silanah, and I have used my bar find ability.

If you're screwing me, I will fucking hunt you down after this game is over. LoL

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

I am just gonna go out and drink and dance now, cause sitting here watching things just makes me nervous.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

So, basically, if we want to win this right away, I give you to Silanah, right? I am willing to do that to give Dresden the win and fulfill my VC.

Right, if we are certain the Fomor are dead, then the game should end as soon as Silanah becomes my owner. That fulfills all of his VCs, ending the game, and we're both alive right now, meaning our VCs are good as well. Meaning at _least_, you, Sil, Anom, and I would definitely win, probably Emur too, and out of everyone else, I bet only one or two independents, like maybe Liosan and the Archive, if his job was just to protect her.

But yeah, I would not suggest it if I did not think I'm pretty certain it would win us the game instantly.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

incidentally, I had already submitted a move back to the Pub, so seeing as actions resolve after moves, if locations come into play, then I will be in the pub when I try to give you to Silanah.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

Also - if this works, you and I have been a fucking amazing team.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Okay man, well, I think that just about does as much as we possible can to make sure it happens if it's possible. I'm going to go make some drunken posts and try to signal silanah to come to the pub tonight. I wonder if it's worthwhile to put in a provisonal NA? lik,e "Give Bob the Skull to Silanah; if this is not possible, use Bar Find Thing." in case it's a night action or something. maybe that's just drunken crazy talk.

also don't worry, i think our hunting is over.

unless their's another fomor recruit. which we should know there if there is momentarily, if this works..

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Prolly won't know for another 12 hours. Obdi said Night Scenes don't resolve till the end of night, so 12 hours away. I hope that if me giving to you works and that ends the game he will just resolve early if all NAs are in.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

Also - if this works, you and I have been a fucking amazing team.

agreed. if it doesn't, everyone in SH is laughing their ass off at us.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:55 PM

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

yeah fuck I forgot how long night is. so you made it your NA as well?

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

Well, what I did was say to give you to Silanah. And I submitted a NA as well. I am not sure if giving you away will constitute my NA, so in case you're screwing me, I still wanna know who, if anyone, is coming into my bar.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

ok. well, i really have been honest with you, so like, i said, i trust you, too. no idea if it's an NA or not but i almost think we shouldn't take chances. if someone calls you on the coming into your bar thing, you can putll the part about "creatures from the mortal realm" or something to say it wouldn't work. but yeah, i'm not going to be around much longer, hope this wins it for us.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

Yeah, am also leaving, and am also hoping this wins it too!

That being said, don't worry, I will do everyting in my power to not reveal Dresden if I don't have to. I will reveal Anomander before I reveal Silanah, if it comes to that, but besides Emu, I don't think many people have much interest in killing me off.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

So here is the deal, I kind of want to say on thread:

"If Dresden comes to my pub tomorrow night, we can probably win this game by next Night phase" on thread, so that Silanah maybe moves to the pub at the beginning of tomorrow's Day phase, and if my giving you to depends on location, then he will already be there on next night phase.

What do you think? As long as I say it before this night ends and he decides to move here, it could really get him where we need him to be. The only unknown then is whether or not I can give you to him.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

So here is the deal, I kind of want to say on thread:

"If Dresden comes to my pub tomorrow night, we can probably win this game by next Night phase" on thread, so that Silanah maybe moves to the pub at the beginning of tomorrow's Day phase, and if my giving you to depends on location, then he will already be there on next night phase. I'd avoid phrases like "winning the game", in case someone has like a day vig and they decide to unload on you with it cause they think you're about to win.

What do you think? As long as I say it before this night ends and he decides to move here, it could really get him where we need him to be. The only unknown then is whether or not I can give you to him.

Yeah, I agree, wish I had seen this before night ended so you could post it. Still can't hurt now though. Maybe make it a bit more subtle, like, "Dresden, I've got a special brew for you that I think you're going to like, if you come on down to the pub." It's going to look suspicious to everyone else, and your bar might get crowded that night, but either way, it's our best shot. Also, definitely make sure to call out Dresden and not Silanah. There's a lot of suspicion that Sil is Dresden, but no proof yet on thread, so it keeps more people in the dark.

Did P-S respond at all to the action you submitted to give me to Sil? Like, did he ignore it or say it wasn't possible, or what? Cause I'm thinking if he didn't say anything then it may have to be a night action. What do you think? If it's an NA, I think we have to try and use/waste your NA to either give me, the item, to Silanah, or to drop it at the bar while Dresden is there. I can still use my NA to protect you in that scenario.

Also, anyone come into the bar last night? I couldn't do anything due to the day action, but I can use an NA tonight. Also, did we successfully move back to the pub? P-S hasn't updated me on my location yet.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

So yeah, my giving you to Silanah failed because he wasn't in the bar. We just need to get him in here!

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

No one came into the bar.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

I am gonna wait until Monday to tell Dresden to come into my bar, though.... Give people less time to cause shit.

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

So yeah, my giving you to Silanah failed because he wasn't in the bar. We just need to get him in here!

Ok, seriously, P-S actually said that was the reason? In that case...we reallllly need to get Silanah into the bar somehow. Without drawing loads of attention so that everyone else piles in there too.

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Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

I am gonna wait until Monday to tell Dresden to come into my bar, though.... Give people less time to cause shit.

Yeah that's the danger - we have to tell him early, because once he submits his move action, he can't change it. But at the same time, the earlier you say it, the more time people have to stir shit around. Sigh.

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 August 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Fener, on 17 August 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

I am gonna wait until Monday to tell Dresden to come into my bar, though.... Give people less time to cause shit.

It's not really that big of a deal if everyone else piles into the bar. I should still be able to give you to Silanah regardless of who else is in there.

Fener, on 19 August 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Well, it's unfortunate that Ano felt the need to announce the Bob the Skull thing, but I think making it obvious that you're involved somehow is the only way that we'll get Silanah into the pub so that I can give you to him.

Please use your powerlevel boost on me for the next night. I will attempt to give you to Silanah again and use my bar find ability. Here's hoping this works out and that we really got the last Fomor.

You should try to push a D'riss lynch again, there's still onthread suspicion that he might be a Fomor. Best to be sure, if you ask me.

Fener, on 20 August 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

I am going to try to just sit back and let people speculate without adding anything to the conversation about Bob today. If Silanah doesn't take the hint now, there's little to no hope that he will. Like I said, use your power level boost on me tonight, and I will try to give you to Silanah in hopes that he comes into the pub.

And try to push a D'riss lynch, or, well, an anyone but me lynch. I think some info about Kaschan recently came out on thread, will have to go back and read up about that.

Anthras, on 20 August 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Heyyy I'm back from a long weekend. Yeah, it's unfortunate that there's so much info about me/you out there now, but people are still speculating, so if we can get through tonight and make the hand off to Dresden, I think we're still golden. I'll boost your defense tonight.

Fener, on 20 August 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Aside from Ano, no one seems to suspect that you might actually be a player in the game, so as long as Ano doesn't push that, we should be able to pass you off as just an item like any other item.

Anthras, on 20 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Yeah, and I don't know what his deal his, his VCs are to keep Dresden alive, but I guess he doesn't know Dresden needs Bob. Either way, he needs to shut up on thread! And we can't make it too obvious, but if we need to, I can have you just spill a little information that could have only come from their role PMs, if we want to try to prove you're trustworthy.

Fener, on 20 August 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Yeah, let's just keep an eye on things for now. I am convinced that Silanah will come now that it's obvious I have you and I am trying to give you to him. And it should be fairly easy to keep the attention on other people. There is still your case on Driss out there, and someone mentioned that Telas might be a Fomor, so we can use that to our advantage too.

Anthras, on 20 August 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Whew, getting a little tense on thread.

Looks like Kaschan is down, if we lynch D'riss after and Sil comes into the bar, I can't see how that doesn't end the game.

Fener, on 20 August 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Fucking Ano with his stupid fucking reveal. I wish he would just let the Bob the Skull is a player thing go already.

Anthras, on 21 August 2012 - 03:05 AM, said:

Well, it's all going down tonight, we'll see what happens. I've put my action in to boost your power level, so as long as Anom doesn't do something stupid like try to kill you, we should be ok. Or, I suppose, if I get targeted, I'll probably die. I wonder if I can die from NAs like normal people, since I'm an item? The answer would almost have to be yes, otherwise I wouldn't need to survive to the end of the game (which implies I can die). So hopefully, even if someone does try to kill you or me, the hand off to Dresden resolves first and ends the game, assuming no Fomor left (if D'riss is the last Fomor, fucking fuck, if we manage to survive he is going down next).

I've been thinking more about VCs and how people have discussed that the game could continue after someone got their VCs until it was impossible for anyone else to do so. That is total bullshit in my mind, there's no way that's true. VCs are just that - victory conditions. Once you achieve them, you win. The game ends. Other people might win too, but the game has to end somehow, and it would be totally idiotic for the possibility to exist that you could achieve all your VCs and then get killed the next night and lose the game.

Who knows though, the game is crazy. Moments of truth coming up pretty quick.

Fener, on 21 August 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Someone getting their VC could just mean they leave the game and everyone else keeps playing till game over. I am thinking that Dresden winning will end the game though. Powell let's hope Silanah comes to the bar and Ano leaves me alone. Heading to bed. Night!

Path-Shaper, on 21 August 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

You two may no longer speak. Please exit this conversation.

FIN!

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