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The Book that Erikson just read and loved
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 03:05 PM
yeah, I think you'r right Asheroth. I haven't actually finished the story yet, but from of the interviews he did I figured thats what it was all about. I don't even think hte 2nd Apocolypse actually begins until after the 3rd book. this is when he plans to write the 2nd part of the series.
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Posted 27 June 2004 - 01:43 PM
Murrin
I figured you meant Mallahet. Obviously he's a candidate, but I've seen that suggestion put forth on other boards as well, so it seems that he may be so obvious that it would have to be misleading.
There was a post on Bakker's forum a while ago which suggested The Thousandfold Thought was Moenghus's and that he in fact had played various persona, including Mallahet. It was an interesting theory, and very complicated, but that is the kind of level Bakker is writing on.
I must admit I would be disappointed if we find out that Moenghus has either been dead all along or if he turns out to be just some other character we've encountered, under a false name. But again, I have more faith in Bakker than that.
I figured you meant Mallahet. Obviously he's a candidate, but I've seen that suggestion put forth on other boards as well, so it seems that he may be so obvious that it would have to be misleading.
There was a post on Bakker's forum a while ago which suggested The Thousandfold Thought was Moenghus's and that he in fact had played various persona, including Mallahet. It was an interesting theory, and very complicated, but that is the kind of level Bakker is writing on.
I must admit I would be disappointed if we find out that Moenghus has either been dead all along or if he turns out to be just some other character we've encountered, under a false name. But again, I have more faith in Bakker than that.
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Posted 27 June 2004 - 12:25 AM
If you think it's obvious you're probably in for a big surprise. But let's hear it, who do you think it is?
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 07:45 PM
Whaaaaa.... *is incredibly confused* I guess I can see where you are coming from with that though. However, I took that passage to mean just the "elder" Dunyain, not all of them. I guess we will have to wait until (June)? for an answer though
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Posted 27 June 2004 - 10:03 PM
arrrgggh!!!!
Damn it all living in Australia....everyone is gettin TWP before me!!!
Damn it all living in Australia....everyone is gettin TWP before me!!!
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Posted 04 January 2005 - 06:33 PM
Finally read TDTCB. It's alright, I guess. Two major problems:
1. Too many bloody tragic characters. Esmenet, Serwe, Achamian...it gets bloody ridiculous after a while.
2. The overuse of the word 'godlike'.
Edit: Oh, and the fact that nothing actually happens. The Holy War gets off the ground, Conphas beats the Scylvendi, and Drusas Achamian rediscovers the Consult after about three hundred years of being laughed at, and totally fails to inform his handlers, or indeed to do anything at all but sit at his fire and mope. The whole bloody book was a prologue.
1. Too many bloody tragic characters. Esmenet, Serwe, Achamian...it gets bloody ridiculous after a while.
2. The overuse of the word 'godlike'.
Edit: Oh, and the fact that nothing actually happens. The Holy War gets off the ground, Conphas beats the Scylvendi, and Drusas Achamian rediscovers the Consult after about three hundred years of being laughed at, and totally fails to inform his handlers, or indeed to do anything at all but sit at his fire and mope. The whole bloody book was a prologue.
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Posted 13 March 2005 - 08:50 PM
haha yea i've sort of hit a readers block lol. I can't seem to get any further anymore in Warrior Prophet. So far its a very good novel. Gets a little to philosophical at times, I'd rather it was left up to the reader to figure things out but this is good too I guess. Really like Bakker's style though, nothing compared to Erikson but still fairly good. Perhaps I should read rite now instead of posting...lol
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Posted 06 January 2005 - 05:13 PM
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Posted by Abyss:
Bakker's treatment of women is interesting. Erikson and Martin, don't overlook the rape and victimization that was likely present in medieval type socities, but they take a fairly even hand at making women powerful warriors and leaders in their own right. Bakker, on the other hand, portrays them primarily as the 'weaker sex', in the sense that men are the leaders and warriors and magic-users, and women, tho' acknowledging their worth, innate strength, etc, are victims for the most part.
Yea...that's really pissing me off. Im only like 150 or some pgs into the novel and already I get taht feeling. So far it is the only complaint I have for him. I dislike it when women are portrayed as such. Sure Erikson does do it at times, but like you said he also makes them powerful and stuff, such as Korlat for one.
But so far a good novel
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 03:18 PM
@Dujek - I disagree. Kellhus and his father appear to be the only two Dunyain in the entire world that are still alive so I find it rather interesting to read about how they can manipulate millions of people like puppet masters without using any sort of magic.
If there were hundreds of these guys running around it probably would be ridiculous but reading about one or two guys doing all this is intriguing.
If there were hundreds of these guys running around it probably would be ridiculous but reading about one or two guys doing all this is intriguing.
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Posted 01 March 2005 - 02:03 PM
If you mean the gold covers, those things look horrible, worse than the silver Darkness That Came Before cover.
Meh, I'm not really that bothered about it - I've got other things to read, and I don't mind waiting.
Meh, I'm not really that bothered about it - I've got other things to read, and I don't mind waiting.
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Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:22 PM
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 08:15 AM
I just finished The Darkness that Comes Before and it was everything I expected of it. I enjoyed it immensely. Bakker really is a good writer in a technical sense. His prose and dialogues read very easily without being flat. Kellhus is the coolest of characters!
The world or Earwa is also nice but not as original as Erikson's. The whole Inrithi/Kian Holy War thing smack to much of "let's do the Crusades... but with sorcery this time!" but perhaps this will change in the furthers books.
Anyway, I'll get my hands on TWP once it's gone PB.
The world or Earwa is also nice but not as original as Erikson's. The whole Inrithi/Kian Holy War thing smack to much of "let's do the Crusades... but with sorcery this time!" but perhaps this will change in the furthers books.
Anyway, I'll get my hands on TWP once it's gone PB.
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 10:36 AM
I think its a good book - but not as good as Erikson or Martin
@LooseCannon - what do you mean that Kellhus and his father are the only two Dunyain - there are detailed descriptions of Kellhus' training and where he came from. Re read the start as well, which tells you about Kellhus setting off - it implies that he knows other Dunyain as they have a completely different type of society
@LooseCannon - what do you mean that Kellhus and his father are the only two Dunyain - there are detailed descriptions of Kellhus' training and where he came from. Re read the start as well, which tells you about Kellhus setting off - it implies that he knows other Dunyain as they have a completely different type of society
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:25 AM
both are great
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:14 PM
Finished reading book 2 - Warrior-Prophet
Only one thing to say about this - if you haven't started reading this series, start now.
Only one thing to say about this - if you haven't started reading this series, start now.
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Posted 06 January 2005 - 08:13 AM
Couple of points:
- Am i the only one who thought the remaining Dunyain killed themselves after Kelhus left?
- I like the way magic is set in this world, with different systems and a fairly artsy view of its uses (birds, phantom dragon heads, etc.).
- Akka is a fascinating character because he's extremely powerful, but utterly human and fallible, and (i thought) beliveably so.
- Bakker's treatment of women is interesting. Erikson and Martin, don't overlook the rape and victimization that was likely present in medieval type socities, but they take a fairly even hand at making women powerful warriors and leaders in their own right. Bakker, on the other hand, portrays them primarily as the 'weaker sex', in the sense that men are the leaders and warriors and magic-users, and women, tho' acknowledging their worth, innate strength, etc, are victims for the most part.
Which is probably an accurate depiction of the african/middle-eastern type society in the books, but still tends to be rare in modern fantasy.
- Abyss, thinks Lady Envy would probably nuke the Three Seas just on principle.
- Am i the only one who thought the remaining Dunyain killed themselves after Kelhus left?
- I like the way magic is set in this world, with different systems and a fairly artsy view of its uses (birds, phantom dragon heads, etc.).
- Akka is a fascinating character because he's extremely powerful, but utterly human and fallible, and (i thought) beliveably so.
- Bakker's treatment of women is interesting. Erikson and Martin, don't overlook the rape and victimization that was likely present in medieval type socities, but they take a fairly even hand at making women powerful warriors and leaders in their own right. Bakker, on the other hand, portrays them primarily as the 'weaker sex', in the sense that men are the leaders and warriors and magic-users, and women, tho' acknowledging their worth, innate strength, etc, are victims for the most part.
Which is probably an accurate depiction of the african/middle-eastern type society in the books, but still tends to be rare in modern fantasy.
- Abyss, thinks Lady Envy would probably nuke the Three Seas just on principle.
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Posted 27 June 2004 - 06:35 AM
@Mithfanion - Okay, so if it was an intentional misdirection I'll stand corrected, but on the evidence in The Darkness That Comes Before I'd thought it likely - A Cishaurim with Scylvendi scars... There's only one of those, as far I know from that book.
Of course, it relies on the truth of Kellhus' belief that Moenghus is a Cishaurim. I guess when I came to this conclusion I may have taken things too much at face value.
Of course, it relies on the truth of Kellhus' belief that Moenghus is a Cishaurim. I guess when I came to this conclusion I may have taken things too much at face value.
