[Sorrit]

Well for one, someone said 4 hours left. We'll call it 6 for easy math, and since it was 7. That's not a great deal of time, but more importantly, it's really not a great deal of time for Day 1. Most importantly, at least half the people are going to be asleep when Day times out.

Instead of bashing a possible lynch with reasons we shouldn't, give better options, if there are any. I'm quite fine with choosing a different target, but get on it, if so. S'why I removed my vote for now. But know this, if someone puts Emurlahn at L-1, I'm probably just going to hammer, because my vote was already there, actually. Consider the next vote a hammer vote, unless someone starts giving us ideas.

I REALLY feel what you guys are saying, but dead thread is dead. I really don't see us being able to swap to someone else. I'm at least going to hold off on my vote for now, because I can respect the views. I've got about two hours, then I'll have to vote, and then goto bed.

[Sorrit]

Better, yet. Where's Emurlahn. Maybe this will give him/her time to defend himself. The vote train for Rashan for low-posting was derailed when he came on in his defense. The very small case against him is still there. I know Emurlahn did some defending already, but not since he/she gathered this many votes.

So what shall we do to pass the time, while we wait for some actual substance?

Dance anyone? I feel as if I got all dressed up for nothing.

[D'riss]

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

D'riss, we clearly stated every single thing you've already said. Yes, we're well aware it's not a great case, but SERIOUSLY, what else do we have? Your suggestions are more likely to lead to a no lynch. I could see you stating you trepidation for voting, but your major defiant stance over it is looking suspect, imo.

Not necessarily that you're defending Emurlahn, but more like you seem to be trying to appear a bit TOO tough on a possible town lynch.

If you read the thread, you'd see that really the MAIN reason for choosing Emurlahn looks like it was just the simple fact he had 3 votes, and Rashan only had 1, I believe. We're really just taking a huge shot in the dark with anyone right now. There's no solid case on anyone. You're not suggesting a no lynch, are you? Same question for Atrahal.

If either of you have a better option, let's hear it.

remove vote


Here's time.

I've given several better options princess. We have 4 people rushing a vote on a weak candidate several hours before a lynch. Now, two of those here have started backpedaling (you and Rashan), which is what I would expect when confronted. Still, the fact that you placed the vote in the first place puts you in the ever popular "there were definitely scum on that lynch train" position. And don't tell me it isn't suspicious.

My problem with Tellan is multifactoral. Bringing up signaling is natural, and far more than 2-3 people did it over the course of the day, but such speculation always gives me pause (and I always have paws...). Tellan also goes through most of day one non-comital, with this quote really capturing the essence of her middling game play:

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Rashan is viable as well, I;m around to switch for a few. I prefer emur of the two, though. I really dont have any particular strong feelings at all, though

Middling game play, coupled with an offer to vote any which way, and not removing one's vote when you say to your target "you have a good point" (as Tellan said to Emur when Emur spoke out against Tellan's "case") all set off alarm bells in my oversensitive ears.

If you need a nidus to form a better lynch, here you are:

Vote Tellan.

[D'riss]

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

Better, yet. Where's Emurlahn. Maybe this will give him/her time to defend himself. The vote train for Rashan for low-posting was derailed when he came on in his defense. The very small case against him is still there. I know Emurlahn did some defending already, but not since he/she gathered this many votes.

So what shall we do to pass the time, while we wait for some actual substance?

Dance anyone? I feel as if I got all dressed up for nothing.

I'm not sure the little people appreciate being grouped with nothing.

[Atrahal]

Dead thread is dead because we have left it with no other options. Might as well get this over with.

Vote Emurlahn

[Atrahal]

Ok, let's give this a go. I'll be around all night to change if it's needed. I think D'riss might have a point with the vote-hopping, willingness to vote to get a lynch is one thing but that early in the day it was unnecessary.

Remove vote

Vote Tellan

[Sorrit]

@D'riss, are you reading what I wrote? I removed my vote ONLY to bring him from L-1. Me stating, however, that I would be hammering in two hours if someone else voted is HARDLY backpedaling.

You seem to be assuming quite a lot. You assume that of the 8 votes on a lynch today, that one or two scum will be present. You assume that Emurlahn is innocent. You may be right in both cases, but you're having to make more assumptions than those of us just assuming the one thing - that Emurlahn has a chance to be scum.

You said you gave better options, but that wasn't true until you actually voted. Now that you have I buy your case far more, and thank you for actually contributing.

I might be able to vote for Tellan, but it is possible, or it has to be at least thought about, that you could be deflecting for Emirlahn. I don't believe this, however. So for now I really feel you're just a concerned town, and not a paranoid scum.

I'll consider a Tellan vote if it gets more steam. I just hope this doesn't lead to a no- lynch. It didn't work well for us last game.

[D'riss]

Yeah, kind of sucks when the missed lynch would have nailed scum on day 1.

As for backpedaling, you do happen to include a lot of preamble to your remove vote. That looked a little defensive to me as do your subsequent posts. Actually, the best way to describe your posts is "caveat"

You say everything with conditionals "I think the person is inno but we need a lynch" "I'll remove my vote, but you better start explaining" "I think now you have a case, but I'll wait to see what the other's think" Seems like dissembling to me. Not saying your are scum, but you are scummy, whatever that is worth.

Don't take the high road with me missy.

[Sorrit]

Now bring that sweet tail of yours over here, Atrahal, and dance with mama. I've got the boys making some daiquiris, and they're not stingy with the good stuff.

On the other hand, I could go for a few martinis, instead. One olive or two, sweet thing? I need you to lose those inhibitions.

[D'riss]

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

Now bring that sweet tail of yours over here, Atrahal, and dance with mama. I've got the boys making some daiquiris, and they're not stingy with the good stuff.

On the other hand, I could go for a few martinis, instead. One olive or two, sweet thing? I need you to lose those inhibitions.

I do think she would rapidly lose a game of strip poker.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

@D'riss, are you reading what I wrote? I removed my vote ONLY to bring him from L-1. Me stating, however, that I would be hammering in two hours if someone else voted is HARDLY backpedaling.

You seem to be assuming quite a lot. You assume that of the 8 votes on a lynch today, that one or two scum will be present. You assume that Emurlahn is innocent. You may be right in both cases, but you're having to make more assumptions than those of us just assuming the one thing - that Emurlahn has a chance to be scum.

You said you gave better options, but that wasn't true until you actually voted. Now that you have I buy your case far more, and thank you for actually contributing.

I might be able to vote for Tellan, but it is possible, or it has to be at least thought about, that you could be deflecting for Emirlahn. I don't believe this, however. So for now I really feel you're just a concerned town, and not a paranoid scum.

I'll consider a Tellan vote if it gets more steam. I just hope this doesn't lead to a no- lynch. It didn't work well for us last game.

All we can do is vote with the information we have on thread. If we have a case that seems stronger, we go for that one. Emurlahn absolutely could be scum, in which case we have lost an opportunity. But equally, Tellan could be scum, and we could miss out on getting him lynched today by sticking with Emur. This is no way to play the game.

At the very least, this is giving us some very useful information.

[Rashan]

I'm not convinced a speed lynch is any better than a vote-for-this-guy-because-we-need-a-lynch lynch at this point. Last time that happened to me, scum got out of a day 1 lynch, so I'm a bit cagey about it.

I'll be around though, and I appreciate that D'riss is making a case than the one we have, but I wonder if it might keep until day 2?

Dammit. I don't know what to do now.

[Sorrit]

It is what it is. No one else is even contributing. They just voted, and remained silent. You seem to think that I have to be POSITIVE that I've found a scum on Day 1, before voting.

Are you saying you're quite positive that Tellan is scum, or are you also going to admit that you think he could also be innocent?

I don't have to take the high road, when you're speeding down the low road. I've given in, removed a vote just because I wanted you and Atrahal to have more time, and I'm giving my reasoning on just about everything, when I don't have to. I'm hoping to bring others in the discussion, when you seem to be trying to push me out.

[D'riss]

Not trying to push you out Sorrit. I appreciate your discussion, but since you put yourself out there, aggressively, I will give a few snarls back in return. It is mafia after all.

As for my confidence in Tellan being scum, of course not. It's day 1, and I'm trying to work my way through the spam just like everyone else. I just think the Emur case is a waste of time as it currently stands. Even you commented that the only "case" on Emur was her use of other languages. Not much of a case, and seems like no one has expanded on it.

I'm a grumpy old wolf, I like going at it alone without all these twittering princesses, but I'll make do.

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I'm not convinced a speed lynch is any better than a vote-for-this-guy-because-we-need-a-lynch lynch at this point. Last time that happened to me, scum got out of a day 1 lynch, so I'm a bit cagey about it.

I'll be around though, and I appreciate that D'riss is making a case than the one we have, but I wonder if it might keep until day 2?

Dammit. I don't know what to do now.

Seems pretty easy Rash. If enough people pile votes on Tellan, lynch her. Otherwise, finish off Emur. I agree a no-lynch day makes me uncomfortable and same with a speed lynch, but I prefer a lynch over no lynch.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 26 July 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

Now bring that sweet tail of yours over here, Atrahal, and dance with mama. I've got the boys making some daiquiris, and they're not stingy with the good stuff.

On the other hand, I could go for a few martinis, instead. One olive or two, sweet thing? I need you to lose those inhibitions.

My gosh! What exactly are you planning on doing with my inhibitions?

[Sorrit]

Rashan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I'm not convinced a speed lynch is any better than a vote-for-this-guy-because-we-need-a-lynch lynch at this point. Last time that happened to me, scum got out of a day 1 lynch, so I'm a bit cagey about it.

I'll be around though, and I appreciate that D'riss is making a case than the one we have, but I wonder if it might keep until day 2?

Dammit. I don't know what to do now.

I feel the same way, now. I was actually considering you and Emurlahn, Rashan. We figured Emurlahn was the best bet due to vote count. Now I also can see somewhat as to why the Tellan votes have came, but I'm afraid it'll derail a lynch at all.

I'm willing to wait for a while so everyone gets ample time. I'd really just like to hear from both Emurlahn, and Tellan one more time. I really don't like that D'riss seems to have attributed townies wanting to make sure we get a lynch ON DAY 1, as scummy behavior. It's Day 1. We just won't have a whole lot to go on. On days after today, I'm with you 100 %.

I'm not going to hide the fact that I want to help make sure we get a Day 1 lynch. I would be willing to vote for Rashan, for waiting so long to post again, yet his being here now is taking that away. I could vote for Emurlahn, because I don't know what all of his posts said, and that was annoying. As for Tellan, I could only attribute that to a gut feeling, and I sort of get the same feeling from Liosan a bit.

As I really don't see Tellan getting enough votes, I'm waiting. I'll be here for a few hours.

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I'm not convinced a speed lynch is any better than a vote-for-this-guy-because-we-need-a-lynch lynch at this point. Last time that happened to me, scum got out of a day 1 lynch, so I'm a bit cagey about it.

I'll be around though, and I appreciate that D'riss is making a case than the one we have, but I wonder if it might keep until day 2?

Dammit. I don't know what to do now.

Why were you voting Emur to begin with? If you feel like Emur is more likely to be scum than Tellan, by all means, stick to your vote.

Personally, I was unconvinced by the 'case' on Emur, I don't have a problem with the language stuff that other people objected to, and I dislike that the train built so quickly on Emur. All we have now is more options.

[Rashan]

D, on 26 July 2012 - 05:58 AM, said:

Rashan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I'm not convinced a speed lynch is any better than a vote-for-this-guy-because-we-need-a-lynch lynch at this point. Last time that happened to me, scum got out of a day 1 lynch, so I'm a bit cagey about it.

I'll be around though, and I appreciate that D'riss is making a case than the one we have, but I wonder if it might keep until day 2?

Dammit. I don't know what to do now.

Seems pretty easy Rash. If enough people pile votes on Tellan, lynch her. Otherwise, finish off Emur. I agree a no-lynch day makes me uncomfortable and same with a speed lynch, but I prefer a lynch over no lynch.

Well obviously. It was more a statement of which outcome is more likely to land us a scum lynch, or at least give us the most information for discussion. For the latter I'm leaning towards a Tellen lynch, to be honest. For the first, I really don't know.

[Sheltatha Lore]

thunder outside wokw me up ( i dozed off)

vote Emurlahn

cuz we need info. it'll pay off later on, and a no-lynch only helps scum.