[Anthras]

Kaschan versus Silanah

[Anthras]

Made my eyes bleed!

[Anthras]

Regarding my play, I thought it'd be easier to identify myself as town by posting large quantities of posts. Whether they be spam or not. I wanted to have a high post count. Before the game started the plan was to go the other way but too many people were doing it and I have the time. Now i'll be going soon, and I don't think i'll have much time to post from my phone later. All I can say is that if i'm lynched I tried to be town as best I could. I hope my death isn't in vain. There is a possibility there is no symp in this game, especially if it TDMi one. Anything more and then you may have one.

[Anthras]

I'll be able to add or remove a vote later. That will be my extent of play though. I have about half an hour left to find some lyrics and videos and pictures

[Anthras]

French X Factor Beatboxer Ossumm!!!

[Anthras]

Peter Kay Funny

[Anthras]

Listen to the song here in my heart
A melody I start but can't complete
Listen to the sound from deep within
It's only beginning to find release

Oh, the time has come for my dreams to be heard
They will not be pushed aside and turned
Into your own all 'cause you won't
Listen

Listen, I am alone at a crossroads
I'm not at home in my own home
And I've tried and tried to say what's on mind
You should have known

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own

You should have listened, there is someone here inside
Someone I thought had died so long ago
Oh, I'm screaming out and my dreams'll be heard
They will not be pushed aside on words
Into your own all 'cause you won't
Listen

Listen, I am alone at a crossroads
I'm not at home in my own home
And I've tried and tried to say what's on mind
You should have known

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own

I don't know where I belong
But I'll be moving on
If you don't, if you won't

Listen to the song here in my heart
A melody I start but I will complete

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you think you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own, my own

This post has been edited by Anthras: 18 July 2012 - 03:06 PM

[Anthras]

Yesterday at this time a lot of people where around to discuss things is that how town wants to win it? Staying quiet!!

[Anthras]

Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

You think I'm a symp because I voted elsewhere while you were discussing Kaschan.

Okay. I told you I didn't like the case, and decided where to vote on my own. If that's symping to you, so be it. Believe what you want. I won't be able to make huge cases down the road anyway, my phone doesn't copypaste. So if you ignore me, that's fine.

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

There was the Fener vote before all that happened, though.

Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm gonna

Remove Vote

I think I believe Kaschan's explanation, his response since seems a little "Oh Shit!" to me, but that's what most people do when they feel threatened.

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Catching up.

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I am here. Give me a minute to catch up. Just in case we're short on time I'll get rid of my joke vote.

remove vote

So I scared Ampelas off by posting a bit of spam. How about the rest who were here to contribute yesterday?

Yeah well done town.

I still think Kaschan is scum.

See you later.

[Anthras]

Oh and someone is watching the thread. I wonder who?

[Atrahal]

Probably me, just caught up. I'm a little confused about the cases made at this point. Neither Sil nor Anthras strike me as scum. By this point its obvious that I look for scum assuming they would play decently, and Anthras has not been playing a scum's game. Sil is perhaps slightly more likely to be scum than Anth (though still unlikely i think). she has had very little energetic interaction with anyone, and has not defended anyone vehemently. I am willing to vote for either of them if I have to, but I feel that this would turn up some innocents. I'll be on and off all day to drop a vote when needed, but lets take a step back. I can;t help but feel we're being led based on nothing but scummy feelings and irritation. I'll try and get a feel for the cases, as it seems people are just angry at the spam or something. I need some coffee.

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, it seems like all of your posts in the last day, while the focus has been on Anthras and Silanah, can all be summarized as:

"I don't feel like they're scummy, but everyone else feels like they're scummy. We shouldn't vote for them."

Like I've said, I think there are 3 scum in this game, and at least 2 of them are among you, Anthras, and Silanah. The fact that Anthras is mass spamming now that he expects to be lynched tells me he is either scum and panicking or just an inno who's being really annoyingly stupid. He keeps telling us that he is absolutely sure that I am scum even though the evidence amounts to "I made a meta case against him, he got annoyed, and Korv didn't like my meta case so it must have been deflecting." Oh, and since Ampelas doesn't like him mass spamming and throwing accusations left and right, while waffling on my reasoning, he must be scum too!

Either way, if Anthras is town, he is not helping town find the scum. Either way he needs to go.

[Korvalain]

I want to lynch Ampelas for continuing to say not lynching is acceptable.

We need a time and vote count, please.

[Kaschan]

For the record, let's examine Atrahal:

His case on me:

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

Fuck me, i'm way ahead with posts! That never usually happens! Where is a certain someone with his 100 posts a day?

If Fener hasn't posted then he must be scum!!

Vote Fener

Above, An example of fishing for a reaction from low poster. nothing suspicious really. And fener didn't defensively respond, which makes me think he/she is actually busy and can't post.

This section has no relevance to the case against me, but he uses it to make Anthras seem more credible and therefore strengthen the case against me.

Sorrit, on 17 July 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

@Karosis. I agree with your last post. This is the only interaction that stands out.

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Silanah

I'm in that video!

Silanah, on 16 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

You'll see me 36 seconds in

Are you the hot topless guy?

Anthras also removed his vote from Sil after that exchange. If Anthras is signalling, then I think it is to Silanah.



vote Silanah

Above: I have no idea what sorrit is saying here. Are these posts signalling or something? I am probably just slow.

Oh really? The guy who has been analyzing the scum as if "they are playing logically" can't understand "If Anthras is signaling, then I think it is to Silanah" means that Sorrit thinks Anthras was signaling to Silanah! He's trying to be sneaky, to make it seem like he's distancing himself a bit even as he continues to play down suspicion of Anthras.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

I popped into the thread earlier on my phone before leaving for work to see what was going on. Clearly I forgot to sign in anonymously if someone noticed in those 2 minutes. What makes you suspicious about Sorrit, Ano, and Korv, yet you disregard some of the people who've already been discussed as potentially scummy?

edit: It's 8:43. You probably saw me lurking at around 7:30 before I left my home.

Er, This aimed at me?

First off, for someone accused of lurking it is pretty convenient of you to appear almost straight after being voted for. That smacks of er lurking especially when you said nothing before this post.

I'm suspicious of everyone. I don't have a feel for anyone yet.

No one has been discussed as scummy, just little tidbits with little to go on.

Kaschan responded quickly after being called out, and pretty defensively. definitely a stronger reaction than most others we've seen by this point, and something that has a little more substance.

Read my response. What is so defensive about it? For context, the "people who've already been discussed" referred to the death threat exchange between Karosis, Korbas, and Ampelas (iirc that's who it was). He's trying to stir up a lynch vote on someone he knows is inno.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Wait a second, Fener is in this game?

Ahah! We have our scum.

remove vote

Vote fener

Kaschan is being discussed and Korv comes on and votes Fener. Joke vote or not this could be deflection

Could be deflection, but then 'Fener as scum' joke goes back a bit, and this is day one we're talking about. At this point I thought the Fener vote was a joke vote

This is pretty innocuous. Not sure what to make of it.

Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

Korbas, it's not nice to make death threats

Evon though Simon is a douche, he is usually right

This is the most suspicious post so far, to me. Can't tell if putting pressure as RI, signaling as symp, or trying to create suspicion as killer.

He would be a safe lynch, imo.

Another weak signalling case. The only important thing to note about this quote is that Korvalain has provided a 'safe lynch' candidate. It isn't a safe lynch, and certainly casts greater suspicion on Korv as a symp (further deflecting attention away from kaschan)

Now he's trying to paint Korv as a symp, even though Korv has already stated he doesn't like meta cases (the case he would be deflecting from).

Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote karosis

For now. Willing to switch, of course, but as I said, he seems a safer lynch than a rando.

Again we have Korvalain jumping on another player, claiming it's better than voting for a random player. Every case made by Korvalain by this point has been weak, almost on par with a random vote. This is starting to look like some dirty business.

This is the same fucking player as in the last quote!!!

Korvalain, on 17 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

You think I'm a symp because I voted elsewhere while you were discussing Kaschan.

Okay. I told you I didn't like the case, and decided where to vote on my own. If that's symping to you, so be it. Believe what you want. I won't be able to make huge cases down the road anyway, my phone doesn't copypaste. So if you ignore me, that's fine.

Korvalain didn't like the case. I don't recall an actual defense, aside from something along the lines of "I believe him, besides, look at this other obvious signalling!" - I'm paraphrasing, of course.

Once again, trying to paint Korv as a symp. Korv's previous post said, effectively, "Your case is retarded and based just on Anthras' word he saw Kaschan logged in naked without posting. That's not the way to play the game."

Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

So what I get with the last couple pages it that we have three choices when aiming for scum, at least, three options that have been mentioned already.

One choice being low posters. Scum often lay low, especially if they aren't called out. If they are lurking when these 'cases' are made against them, it usually prompts a response. If too defensive, it's possible that we got a scum.

Second option is to look for sympage. I can't recall the player names (I'll reread the thread once again and get the people straight after breakfast). This is a possible case, and doesn't necessarily rely on posting time comparisons, which are occasionally accurate but more often than not a dangerous proposition early game.

Third option is signalling. I suppose this is possible, but there is quite a bit of spam to sift through on the first few pages, and most seems meaningless.

On day one I'm more inclined to favour the symp option. Signalling cases are weak day one, but I'm sure they will become more prevalent, and undoubtedly more probable, as the game progresses. Low posters. well, scum often try to stay off the radar, but there were a few mentions of low posting players during the sign up so I'm not necessarily ready to vote a low poster at this point of the game. Low posting only becomes more suspicious as the game goes on, so we'll keep our eyes open I'm sure.

We have two hours so I'm going to go through the last couple pages of posts again and throw down a vote.

Seeing as only a symp would likely have to signal on Day 1 in a M&P, options 2 and 3 are basically the same.

Yeah you are correct. I forgot that we are playing a relatively simple game, with likely one symp. I do not agree that a symp is most likely to signal day one though. I bet most of us here have played that role before, and I doubt any of us tried to signal day one. It's such a silly thing to do. Much easier to lay back, and deflect attention away from the partner when you must. There are enough players that the symp will not likely be targeted by his fellow this early in the game, especially if the symp plays safe. I feel it is much more effective to watch for deflection in terms of spotting a symp, rather than looking for signalling day 1.

Well, I think Atrahal agrees we should be looking at him, then.

(Continued in the next post, I exceeded the # of quotes allowed)

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

At this point I'm going to vote forKaschan. Korvalain seems to be overtly deflecting. Mightnot be the strongest case, but for day one it seems the most obviousroute.

vote Kaschan

4 minutes later Silanah does the same, with about 45 minutes left inthe day. He did, however, say beforehand he would vote to get any lynch hecould.

Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Alright, so I will jump on the Kaschan train. Idon't hate Atrahal's case, it's about as strong as any of the other cases, andI am very much interested in getting a lynch today. It's the onlyother train that I can jump on at the moment.

remove vote
vote Kaschan

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

Spite, on 17 July 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 17 July 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

I'm not even going to bother responding toKaschan's suggestion that I was signalling anyone; I've already expressed howstupid such an action would be day one, regardless of role. I verymuch doubt any claim of signalling is true at this stage, regardless of who itis. Like I said, it is more likelythat we spot the symp by case and vote patterns. Specifically weshould look for someone diverting attention, but perhaps more importantly,someone ignoring a potential scum and throwing out random votes for weakcases. Now we may have to wait another day or two to see thesepatterns. In the meantime we shouldn't waste toomuch time on the day one proceedings. No casewas solid, I admit even my own was only the most likely (according to me) basedon the very little evidence we had to work with.

I suggest we look to Sheltatha, and perhaps whyshe was off'd. It is possible she was drawing attention to the rightscum, who panic killed her off. This is doubtful, especially thisearly in the game. How stupid would you have tobe? Clearly an early move by scum would have diversionaryintent. At least, it makes more sense. It was probably todraw attention away from some players. Not those who she suggestedwere scum, or had scummy behaviour. It is most likely that the scumwant our attention on her, and who she interacted with. I bet thatour scum are among those who had little to no interaction withSheltatha. I realize that she and I exchanged jokes early game, andyou might think I'm just trying to avoid notice, but it's painfully clear thatour exchanges were clearly rp nonsense. I think my suggestion makesthe most sense and I hope it does to you all as well, but feel freeto shut it down if I've overlooked something. We can't really affordto let the scum pick us apart while we remain indecisive.

I'm going out for diner, but I'll be back in anhour or so. I'll see about gathering some posts together.

Erm, translation:

"I have no intention of responding toaccusations against me and all day 1 cases should be thrown out the window andwe should look for scum.

Also, some delicious WIFOM.

Peace, yo."

Ok, I'm short on time and can't really go indetail atm, but yeah, I think that's a funny post.

No. just no. I did not avoidresponding, I had already done so. Go find the post. I'mback, obviously, and I'm going to go through Sheltatha's posts.

I have to agree with Sorrit's summary here. The entire secondparagraph is the WIFOM we'd expect from a no-lynch, and his subsequentobservations about who did/didn't interact with Shelly are similarly WIFOM. Hecompletely ignored the accusations that he was deflecting from / protectingAnthras.

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Now, I'm just going to brainstorm here, based onmy previous suspicion that the scum who outed Shelly has not, in fact,interacted with her. Once again, this would make the most sense tome, as it throws attention away from the scum by the very means of them notbeing at the forefront of Shelly's conversations.

Let's start with the players that did interactwith Sheltatha.

Anthras and myself in the first quote. Ampelas,Korbas, and Karosis were quoted in the second example (using this quote may bea stretch, as it was a clarification, not necessarily anaccusation). Then there was the suggestion that the vote should beon low posters. I think these players were Fener and Spite, at thetime, not including UseofWeapons as he was modkilled. Then there isthe vote for Silanah (assuming Sil isn't a panicky person, willing to take outthe first person to arouse suspicion, then I don't think Sil is our scum-though we can not be sure at this point).

The list of those who interacted with Shelly, :Anthras, Ampelas, Korbas, Karosis, Fener, Spite, Silanah, and myself.

Those who did not: Anomandaris, Kaschan,Korvalain, Sorrit

If I forgot anyone please let me know.

I've mentioned before that I suspect at least oneof these four players to be scum. It was somewhat of a surprise, after siftingthrough the posts, to find Korvalain and Kaschan here (whom I found to be themost suspicious during day one). Now, this is a case based purely onwhat we could expect from competent scum players. No solid evidence,but an interesting exercise nonetheless. You can accuse me ofdrawing sides or lining up lynches,I don't much care. I did this sowe can start focusing on some of the likely scum players in the days to come,not to set up a series of lynches.

The speculation I mentioned above.

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I don't know about this one. This is a whole lotof signalling on day one. We would have to be dealing with a specialkind of stupid in order for someone to try signalling as blatant as you makethis seem. And honestly, most of that seems like joke posts. Thewhole, "I'm in that video" at 36 seconds, shows toplessdudes (I actually just went to watch it, i don't recommend). Thatwas the joke, I assumed. Might be signalling, but I very much doubtit. I am interested in the Anthras scum idea, mostly because"feels scummy" isn't necessarily descriptive. Perhaps youcan explain more Fener? I'm not going to overly defend either Sil orAnth, but we need a little more on these votes. At least the Kaschan vote day one had some substance,primarily from repeated deflection attempts made by Korvalain, the suspectedsymp. Now I'm willing to get off of Kaschan andKorval's asses, but we need some good stuff to work with. Not spamsignalling, which is pretty much ridiculous if you think about it. unless thatis, you think so little of our scum players as to expect them to make stupiddecisions at every step.

edit: added "expect them" clarification

Trying to distance himself while continuing to deflect, to make itseem as though Anthras and Silanah's cases are less legitimate even though theyare based on the same reasoning and evidence as the one against me,with potential signaling as well.

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Probably me, just caught up. I'm alittle confused about the cases made at this point. Neither Sil norAnthras strike me as scum. By this point its obvious that I look forscum assuming they would play decently, and Anthras has not been playing ascum's game. Sil is perhaps slightly more likely to be scum thanAnth (though still unlikely i think). she has had very littleenergetic interaction with anyone, and has not defended anyonevehemently. I am willing to vote for either of them if I have to,but I feel that this would turn up some innocents. I'll be on and off all dayto drop a vote when needed, but lets take a step back. I can;t help but feelwe're being led based on nothing but scummy feelings andirritation. I'll try and get a feel for the cases, as it seemspeople are just angry at the spam or something. I need some coffee.

This post was about 12 hours after the one before, where he announced he was going to bed. He'sconfused about the cases against Sil and Anthras even though Fener outlined whyAnthras is scummy pretty fucking clearly in a post all of 3 minutes after theone where he said he was going to bed:

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I don't know about this one. This is a whole lotof signalling on day one. We would have to be dealing with a specialkind of stupid in order for someone to try signalling as blatant as you make thisseem. And honestly, most of that seems like joke posts. The whole,"I'm in that video" at 36 seconds, shows topless dudes (Iactually just went to watch it, i don't recommend). That was thejoke, I assumed. Might be signalling, but I very much doubtit. I am interested in the Anthras scum idea, mostly because"feels scummy" isn't necessarily descriptive. Perhaps youcan explain more Fener? I'm not going to overly defend either Sil orAnth, but we need a little more on these votes. At least the Kaschanvote day one had some substance, primarily from repeated deflection attemptsmade by Korvalain, the suspected symp. Now I'm willing to get off of Kaschanand Korval's asses, but we need some good stuff to work with. Notspam signalling, which is pretty much ridiculous if you think about it. unlessthat is, you think so little of our scum players as to expect them to makestupid decisions at every step.

edit: added "expect them" clarification

Briefly put, Anthras was all over the place withhis accusations. He'd accuse people of things, having earlier the same thingswere no basis for finding scum. This inconsistency makes it seem like he wasn'treally looking for things he found scummy, just slinging accusations to try andget something to stick for a lynch.

I also find his comment along the lines of"We can't lynch him [Kaschan] for that though surely?" really dodgy.It's pre-emptive distancing, and like he's trying to make it seem like otherpeople were pushing the train more than him, and that's he's not that convinced(by his own argument mind you). He also contradicts this attitude with thelevel of certainty he later expresses about Kasch.

Bed now.

Furthermore, after that the cases on Anthras and Silanah weren'tfurther developed! All the posts between Atrahal's post last night and thismorning were Anthras continuing to perseverate (learned a new word today!) inhis case against me, voting Silanah to distance himself, and then massspamming. TL;DR: Atrahal is full of shit and trying to save Anthras.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 18 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

[Kaschan]

sorry about weird formatting in the last post. I copy-pasted the second half into word and it didn't translate back 100% correctly.

[Atrahal]

Sure Anthras is spamming like crazy now, but early game it just seems like something someone would do to have a good time and get the game started. He may not be helping, but I very much doubt he is scum. Silanah I'm less convinced about. In either case, at least one of these two are likely to be town, and we'll get to find out after today because people are going crazy for what seems a pretty pathetic case. My "feelings" are based on logical consideration, not noticing a word, or a ridiculous signal, and then saying "that word seems scummy to me". I've already laid down how I think about these situations, and you're welcome to dismantle my ideas (perhaps you should, rather than throwing everything under the WIFOM bus). Oh and I like how we've lined up the lynches to follow, as it must be myself, Sil and Anth. This alone seems pretty scummy, and to make the claim as though you're certain... Doesn't matter, really, but I can't help but think Anth and Sil are likely town, as am I, and you Kasch, pushing so hard, seems nefarious indeed. Nefarious!

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Sure Anthras is spamming like crazy now, but early game it just seems like something someone would do to have a good time and get the game started. He may not be helping, but I very much doubt he is scum. Silanah I'm less convinced about. In either case, at least one of these two are likely to be town, and we'll get to find out after today because people are going crazy for what seems a pretty pathetic case. My "feelings" are based on logical consideration, not noticing a word, or a ridiculous signal, and then saying "that word seems scummy to me". I've already laid down how I think about these situations, and you're welcome to dismantle my ideas (perhaps you should, rather than throwing everything under the WIFOM bus). Oh and I like how we've lined up the lynches to follow, as it must be myself, Sil and Anth. This alone seems pretty scummy, and to make the claim as though you're certain... Doesn't matter, really, but I can't help but think Anth and Sil are likely town, as am I, and you Kasch, pushing so hard, seems nefarious indeed. Nefarious!

You claim your "feelings" are based on logical consideration when you've admitted many times that you don't fully understand the cases, yet you still think that they are "pretty pathetic." Meanwhile, these cases are built upon as much evidence of deflection/symping that you thought was sufficient to lynch me earlier (albeit at the end of day 1). However, they're also built up with a combination of potential signals, the circumstantial evidence that you 3 were all the first on my train, and the fact that Anthras began throwing accusations everywhere as soon as Shelly and Sorrit (iirc) accused Silanah.

[Atrahal]

I'm not going to quote all of Kaschan's lats posts, but I will respond to some of the red text.

Signalling is a shit argument early in the game. We all know this.


"Oh really? The guy who has been analyzing the scum as if "they are playing logically" can't understand "If Anthras is signaling, then I think it is to Silanah" means that Sorrit thinks Anthras was signaling to Silanah! He's trying to be sneaky, to make it seem like he's distancing himself a bit even as he continues to play down suspicion of Anthras."I have to agree with Sorrit's summary here. The entire secondparagraph is the WIFOM we'd expect from a no-lynch, and his subsequentobservations about who did/didn't interact with Shelly are similarly WIFOM. Hecompletely ignored the accusations that he was deflecting from / protectingAnthras.

Once again, defending a signalling case is a waste of time, because no idiot scum would signal day one. not sure why I would have to defend this, seeing as I was vocal enough prior to the post that required my defense.

This post was about 12 hours after the one before, where he announced he was going to bed. He'sconfused about the cases against Sil and Anthras even though Fener outlined whyAnthras is scummy pretty fucking clearly in a post all of 3 minutes after theone where he said he was going to bed:

I say I'm going to bed, because I'm going to bed. I skimmed through when I made it to my comp this morning, There was enough material that I couldn't just reference things off the top of my head, regardless of its proximity to my last post. Sounds a bit desperate on your part Kaschan.

Trying to distance himself while continuing to deflect, to make itseem as though Anthras and Silanah's cases are less legitimate even though theyare based on the same reasoning and evidence as the one against me,with potential signaling as well.

The case made against you was based mostly off of deflection by Korval, and thus indicating that you were possibly scum leader. it wasn;t strong, as it was day one, but it was far better than these nonsense signal cases, which is what the Anth and Sil early cases were based on.


Furthermore, after that the cases on Anthras and Silanah weren'tfurther developed! All the posts between Atrahal's post last night and thismorning were Anthras continuing to perseverate (learned a new word today!) inhis case against me, voting Silanah to distance himself, and then massspamming. TL;DR: Atrahal is full of shit and trying to save Anthras.

Angry that I won't mindlessly charge after who you put in front of us. It's clear that you really want Anth, either for the spam or the "OMG signalling!!1". I don't care. You can interpret my defense of these guys as deflection or symp or whatever, but I'm being super overt about this whole thing. Do you honestly think a scum would be as outspoken, or defend so vehemently? You know what, lets vote Anth, or me, or Sil, but I am pretty sure you'll be pretty disappointed with the outcome. At least, you will be, if you're innocent.

[Atrahal]

Kaschan, on 18 July 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Sure Anthras is spamming like crazy now, but early game it just seems like something someone would do to have a good time and get the game started. He may not be helping, but I very much doubt he is scum. Silanah I'm less convinced about. In either case, at least one of these two are likely to be town, and we'll get to find out after today because people are going crazy for what seems a pretty pathetic case. My "feelings" are based on logical consideration, not noticing a word, or a ridiculous signal, and then saying "that word seems scummy to me". I've already laid down how I think about these situations, and you're welcome to dismantle my ideas (perhaps you should, rather than throwing everything under the WIFOM bus). Oh and I like how we've lined up the lynches to follow, as it must be myself, Sil and Anth. This alone seems pretty scummy, and to make the claim as though you're certain... Doesn't matter, really, but I can't help but think Anth and Sil are likely town, as am I, and you Kasch, pushing so hard, seems nefarious indeed. Nefarious!

You claim your "feelings" are based on logical consideration when you've admitted many times that you don't fully understand the cases, yet you still think that they are "pretty pathetic." Meanwhile, these cases are built upon as much evidence of deflection/symping that you thought was sufficient to lynch me earlier (albeit at the end of day 1). However, they're also built up with a combination of potential signals, the circumstantial evidence that you 3 were all the first on my train, and the fact that Anthras began throwing accusations everywhere as soon as Shelly and Sorrit (iirc) accused Silanah.

misunderstanding isn't a feeling. when a case is weak, or based on signalling, it doesn't make much sense. Now I acknowledge that a large build up of signalling evidence may be more valid, but all of it is based on day one bullshit. Really. And the Anth deflections seem like a person posting day one to have a good time, and trying to encourage participation by dropping votes here and there. I've already said that I will vote Anth to make the masses happy, but I am not convinced that we'll be glad for it.

edit: lower case e

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 18 July 2012 - 04:54 PM