[Fener]

So therefore our FM has jumped into Emurlahn?

I'd like to see what your thoughts are on the game

explain your system of signalling back to us

a few more posts from you will show whether or not you are Eloth

[Fener]

Hang on who the fuck is Ruse?

[Anomandaris]

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

So therefore our FM has jumped into Emurlahn?

I'd like to see what your thoughts are on the game

explain your system of signalling back to us

a few more posts from you will show whether or not you are Eloth

That might be a conclusion. I know two things: yesterday, the alt Anomandaris was posting in here and I was Emurloth on the game thread. This morning, I received a PM from P-S saying I was dead yet again, and that I had to jump into Ano and post in SH. At first I figured that Ano, since he was a replacement player himself, iirc, had bailed and we were a person with a key role short, but I found my standard Amee text so it wasn't that. I checked the game thread and found Emurlahn was still alive. Imho, that indicates that someone jumped into Emurlahn.

The only way I 100% clarify through that I am Eloth is by quoting the day 1 SH password, then you and Kalse could clarify.
Seeing how that is broadcasted a P-S PM, I would probably be committing a mod-killable offense... and if you are here, then resurrection is not based on order of death, which might mean that Kalse = Ruse.

For now. I will have to re-read the Kaschan - Brujah exchange a few times to see if I get everything correctly and see if in their speculation, the FM is scum.
There's massive, massive stuff there that seems instrumental to solving all this and they were on the same wavelength so when stuff comes from 2 sources, I might actually trust it.

If we need to nail the FM, then I am supremely confident that by voting Emur, we will get him. If he's the neutral Esper however and we have a chance at lynching the cult master, then that is the better course of action.


EDIT: fix 'his morning' into 'This morning' in the third line of my reply.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 10 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

[Anomandaris]

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

I'd like to see what your thoughts are on the game

It is a fuck-up on thread and people here have a much, much better grasp on the game (at the very least mechanically) then they do down there. My head spins from the Kaschan - Barghast exchanges and I can't comment on the state of the game before I comprehend those bits.

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explain your system of signalling back to us

There's little to explain, really. You guys can vote and that vote will end up on thread at some point. On thread, people can ask questions, mention several options and ask players here to vote in a certain pattern to show which option they prefer. I did that once on the game thread om friday (my time), singling out Kalse only because at that point, he was online and you mentioned you'd be away until saturday at the very least. I didn't trust Thyr enough to involve him and I didn't know if Kaschan was playing by the 'reveal something so we can double check' stuff, hence, of the people in SH, he was the one I chose to rely on (should we pursue the Rashan = scum line).

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a few more posts from you will show whether or not you are Eloth

Seeing how people can alt-guess me pretty quickly, I'd say that this will indeed be the case

[Anomandaris]

Kaschan, on 10 July 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

Look, I know we can get the FM tomorrow. We only have to ask Bargy who he was before being removed from the living thread. And then, bam!, no more FM, we will interrupt his cycle.

But I don't know if he is town or cult. If he's town, he's an invaluable resource; if cult, we need to get him right away before he crushes town numbers enough for cult to win. He's really the only thing out there killing people and we need a decision.

I doubt there is a "new" Barghy as I seem to have been FMed, instead. If Barghast confirms he is who he is, I'd say he is 100% trustworthy and not likely to go back to thread. Instead, Emurlahn is occupied and I am channeled into Ano. Unless Ano was funneled into Barghast in a menage-a-trois of shifting, we are looking at the same Barghast being here and Emurlahn being occupied by the FM.

[Fener]

So how do we think recruitment occurs and once recruited do they stay recruited even when dead? How do you think scum will achieve their VC's?

If there is only one alive cult at the moment then that would mean that there are 7 town players alive or 6 with the FM. My head will explode.

Are we looking for the final cult recruiter today before he recruits again tonight? If so what are we looking for? We can rule out Ruse and Emurlahn from being the recruiter. 1 because if emur is him then he will die at some point today and 2 Ruse is one of us resurrected and I don't think he could be the recruiter.

[Anomandaris]

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

So how do we think recruitment occurs and once recruited do they stay recruited even when dead? How do you think scum will achieve their VC's?

If there is only one alive cult at the moment then that would mean that there are 7 town players alive or 6 with the FM. My head will explode.

Are we looking for the final cult recruiter today before he recruits again tonight? If so what are we looking for? We can rule out Ruse and Emurlahn from being the recruiter. 1 because if emur is him then he will die at some point today and 2 Ruse is one of us resurrected and I don't think he could be the recruiter.

It all hinges on whether or not Recruitment is a day or night action. I think recruitment is likely a night action, personally. That would prevent the recruiter from immediately recruiting the person who returns from Spectre Thread, thereby claiming a lot of knowledge. It also makes for the delicious fuck-ups between FM/ninja's action.

I am not sure about numbers. We lost 2 cults in 2 days, it is now day 4. To me, that means to me that there is likely 2 cult out there (starting (safest assumption), recruitment night 1, recruitment night 2, recruitment night 3). It will be interesting to see how Emurlahn is going to CF:
I bet it will be Emurlahn (me) is dead. He was Mekin Zikulka, the Eager Ninja and not an Esper.

I agree the Recruiter is not Ruse or Emurlahn.

I do think recruits will retain that status when dead (or returned to the game). There's so much knowledge here, and SH becomes so dominant in forming trains, that it would be unfair on cult in a shrinking suspect pool to have previous cultists vote along with town. Having scum here that can capitalise on mistakes on thread and in here by crashing/deflecting trains or hammering, refusing to vote along and frustrate decision making here is a much better balance.

Scum is simply going to fulfill their VCs by having very few players alive, to keep us guessing, having majority on thread and enough people here to not allow us to run a train of unrecruited dead people voting for a likely recruited/cult leader player, keeping the on-thread bull-shitting going. With 2 Bahamudite players already dead, that mechanic seems to work fairly well, too.

[Anomandaris]

Fuck me with a rusty fork, Emurlahn mentions on-thread that he was Anomandaris yesterday. Well, there's your confirmation that I am Emurloth, but it does however put massive, massive question marks on whether he is the FM. And shows that once more, I have no clue as to what is mechanically happening here.

[Fener]

For now I'm going to

Vote Liosan

Remove Vote

Ps can you show that I did that?

[Kaschan]

Hmmm, an entirely side to side switch. Eloth (now Anom), I don't think that was the FM's doing. The pattern is wrong. It has to be a separate action.

As for who to trust up here, I think we need to get that straight today. Does anyone dispute my time chart showing cult counts as compared to when people died?

And if Anom is scum, we have a royal problem down there on thread....

[Kaschan]

Fener, I want to trust you, but my problem is this: you were serc originally in the game. You didn't arrive in SH until the morning of Day 2, which means you were included in my original scum count that tells me how many scum are still alive immediately after the lynch. This means that you were among the three who died on day 2: myself, you, and Thyr.... wait a sec, Thyr would not have been included in the scum count since he didn't arise until the same morning you died.

So it's between you and me on the scum for day 2. And that means it was you.

Please tell me I'm wrong somehow, I would rather be trusting the same people I always have...

[Kaschan]

Fener, I want to trust you, but my problem is this: you were serc originally in the game. You didn't arrive in SH until the morning of Day 2, which means you were included in my original scum count that tells me how many scum are still alive immediately after the lynch. This means that you were among the three who died on day 2: myself, you, and Thyr.... wait a sec, Thyr would not have been included in the scum count since he didn't arise until the same morning you died.

So it's between you and me on the scum for day 2. And that means it was you.

Please tell me I'm wrong somehow, I would rather be trusting the same people I always have...

[Fener]

Kaschan, on 10 July 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hmmm, an entirely side to side switch. Eloth (now Anom), I don't think that was the FM's doing. The pattern is wrong. It has to be a separate action.

As for who to trust up here, I think we need to get that straight today. Does anyone dispute my time chart showing cult counts as compared to when people died?

And if Anom is scum, we have a royal problem down there on thread....

I don't know what to believe or who to trust. Kasch you had my trust as well as serc and i was doubtful of thyr, the newer players i'm unsure of. I haven't been following the game as thoroughly as i should to be honest. If ano died and it said cult died and now ano is back alive then does that not make him scum?

[Fener]

Kaschan, on 10 July 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Fener, I want to trust you, but my problem is this: you were serc originally in the game. You didn't arrive in SH until the morning of Day 2, which means you were included in my original scum count that tells me how many scum are still alive immediately after the lynch. This means that you were among the three who died on day 2: myself, you, and Thyr.... wait a sec, Thyr would not have been included in the scum count since he didn't arise until the same morning you died.

So it's between you and me on the scum for day 2. And that means it was you.

Please tell me I'm wrong somehow, I would rather be trusting the same people I always have...

well could i be scum but not know it? if not then no, i'm not scum so you fail somewhere unless you are scum yourself?

Day one, i'm serc and i'm the fenn. I push for a lynch, i fucking push and push and become ps and everything. Then we don't get a lynch. Kalse is dead. immediately after the lynch what were your numbers?

we go through the night. i am posting throughout the night. I go away and come back to find a pm saying i have changed alt. I am dead and i am fener.

now serc is still alive. he is the fm but i didn't think about that at the time. from then on i've been fener. dead. in here. stuck.

that is how it went down and that is how it is. what mechanic makes me scum? you'll have to explain your ability to me

[Anomandaris]

Vote Tellan


I am not sure if this is the right thing to do, but it will confirm hopefully to thread that Ano/Emur and I as Emurlotharis have the same experience at the least on this swap.

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

For now I'm going to

Vote Liosan

Remove Vote

Ps can you show that I did that?

No. You didn't really do anything...

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Fener, on 10 July 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

For now I'm going to

Vote Liosan

Remove Vote

Ps can you show that I did that?

No. You didn't really do anything...

oKAY

Vote Liosan

[Fener]

Remove Vote

[Anomandaris]

I really don't like how Tellan is trying to enforce his own lack of guilt, also through explaining Fener's vote that way, and pushing that of Liosan. If anything, it looks a lot like a variation on how Barghast sucked up to me after my return to the thread and before Barghy blew himself up.

[Fener]

Nor do I. Isn't he the other suspect?