[Rashan]

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

I didn't say he was a low poster. I said half his posts were low content. Some of them definitely do have content. It's the coming in and coming out announcements to inflate post count that bothers me.

I'm going to bed. See y'all in a few.

Whatever. He's a low poster, regardless. Fairly safe bet for now. Not much else to go on. SL seems very much town to me, as well as Kalse in SH. Osseric said he had knowledge to trust Thyrllan, but didn't want to reveal. Osseric seems less scummy to me, now. I'd look at Tellan or D'riss, as well. Tellan has seemed odd the entire game. D'riss wanted Thyrllan dead as much as any of us. Rashan is flying way too far below the radar. Those are my current thoughts. We have a long while, though.

I'm the fifth poster, excluding Pathshaper.

[Rashan]

If you need to lynch a lowposter, why not D'riss? He only has 23 posts.

[Barghast]

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

That's the logical answer and I'd probably run with that for now. The serpent's ring seems to be in favor of Cult as of now though, so how the hell do we change it?

Dunno. Might be that cult recruits at a slower pace than once a night, but that would be BCS. The trick is going to be to watch for people who strike us as likely cult, and take them out.
If we lynch cult and get a town player back from the dead, we postpone scum victory instead of trading 1-for-1 (slowly surrendering vote majority in SH but establishing it on thread), I can't help but think that's part of the path to victory.

Ok, I'm convinced. Emur is definately Eloth and town. I wonder how often a townie returns. Let's imagine some scenarios. One recruit per night, one town returned, it stays even?

Ehm? There is no proof I am Eloth. You have my word and posting style, but no definite proof.
Nor do you have definite proof I am town. Once again, you have my word and I have certainly tried and demonstrate I am, but there is no definite proof.

finally, for your last scenario: with one recruit a night and 1 town returned, whether or not things stay even is dependant on who was lynched, of course.

Honestly man, you sound seriously enthusiastic but at times, also like you type a bit faster and without the necessary caution that might be adviseable .

I'm not saying I'm as smart as you. You obviously know way more than us. Are you saying you're not Eloth? Or that we can't know that you're Eloth ? Would Eloth in SH not refute you if you lied? Are you still saying your appearance is that of a little girl and that you retain the lovers ability or not?

[Barghast]

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

I didn't say he was a low poster. I said half his posts were low content. Some of them definitely do have content. It's the coming in and coming out announcements to inflate post count that bothers me.

I'm going to bed. See y'all in a few.

Whatever. He's a low poster, regardless. Fairly safe bet for now. Not much else to go on. SL seems very much town to me, as well as Kalse in SH. Osseric said he had knowledge to trust Thyrllan, but didn't want to reveal. Osseric seems less scummy to me, now. I'd look at Tellan or D'riss, as well. Tellan has seemed odd the entire game. D'riss wanted Thyrllan dead as much as any of us. Rashan is flying way too far below the radar. Those are my current thoughts. We have a long while, though.

I'm the fifth poster, excluding Pathshaper.

Whatever.

remove vote
Vote Telas

[Rashan]

Why Telas, though?

[Rashan]

It seems slightly suspicious that you're just jumping around, first going for me because i'm a lowposter, and when i tell you i'm not (even though most of my posts haven't been that contentful), you just say "whatever" and change. Are you just trying to lynch town?

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Another thing i'm not entirely certain about is the fact that He Who Was Fener Once is actually a FM. My theory that there were no Bahamudites before the Espers got created would mean that we had an Adventurer FM. Unless, after being recruited, he got additional abilities. It could mean that someone in the Netherworld, or whatever you want to call the place mostly dead people go, has the ability to bring people back. It could also mean that either A: The Scum Esper can bring someone back, but that'd mean he could kill someone too, which seems quite overpowered to me. Or B: Scum recruits dead people, and the human Espers bring them back without knowing their alignment. Although that seems slightly odd as it would mean he'd have to sacrifice someone.

I doubt there are third parties in this game. It is complicated enough already without that. So either he is town, or he is cult. Why would he use his ability on day 1 if he was town? Seriously bad play. He might off his best role.


As for the dead being recruited: by lynching previously dead people, as has happened already (which, frankly, was the expected outcome the second someone came back from the dead the first time - reading back, the major town argument was curiosity in 'can we lynch him, what will he CF as, and this is good to know for the future,' which invalidates any 'I think he is not scum' talk as scumminess wasn;t even a primary factor in voting him from the game thread), such mechanical recruitment would be nullified and the scum faction would become glorified killers, counting on reducing the absolute number of players on the game thread to win.

[Barghast]

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

Why Telas, though?

Because I know I still have to suffer his tirade. It's not a serious vote. We have too much time, and we haven't heard from SH, or quite a few people.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

That's the logical answer and I'd probably run with that for now. The serpent's ring seems to be in favor of Cult as of now though, so how the hell do we change it?

Dunno. Might be that cult recruits at a slower pace than once a night, but that would be BCS. The trick is going to be to watch for people who strike us as likely cult, and take them out.
If we lynch cult and get a town player back from the dead, we postpone scum victory instead of trading 1-for-1 (slowly surrendering vote majority in SH but establishing it on thread), I can't help but think that's part of the path to victory.

Ok, I'm convinced. Emur is definately Eloth and town. I wonder how often a townie returns. Let's imagine some scenarios. One recruit per night, one town returned, it stays even?

Ehm? There is no proof I am Eloth. You have my word and posting style, but no definite proof.
Nor do you have definite proof I am town. Once again, you have my word and I have certainly tried and demonstrate I am, but there is no definite proof.

finally, for your last scenario: with one recruit a night and 1 town returned, whether or not things stay even is dependant on who was lynched, of course.

Honestly man, you sound seriously enthusiastic but at times, also like you type a bit faster and without the necessary caution that might be adviseable .

I'm not saying I'm as smart as you. You obviously know way more than us. Are you saying you're not Eloth? Or that we can't know that you're Eloth ? Would Eloth in SH not refute you if you lied? Are you still saying your appearance is that of a little girl and that you retain the lovers ability or not?

I affirm the underlined. No comment on the ability.

[Rashan]

I have to leave now for realsies, i think i'll be back in 2-3ish i assume, depending on traffic et al.

I'll do a reveal, i'm the Little Boy, my nightly ability is called "Puppy Eyes", it makes me immune to all NA's. It's even resolved before Guard, so it's total immunity. Name's Julok Jokul.

[Rashan]

Puppy Eyes is 3 uses only, by the way. Used two of 'em.

[Barghast]

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Another thing i'm not entirely certain about is the fact that He Who Was Fener Once is actually a FM. My theory that there were no Bahamudites before the Espers got created would mean that we had an Adventurer FM. Unless, after being recruited, he got additional abilities. It could mean that someone in the Netherworld, or whatever you want to call the place mostly dead people go, has the ability to bring people back. It could also mean that either A: The Scum Esper can bring someone back, but that'd mean he could kill someone too, which seems quite overpowered to me. Or B: Scum recruits dead people, and the human Espers bring them back without knowing their alignment. Although that seems slightly odd as it would mean he'd have to sacrifice someone.

I doubt there are third parties in this game. It is complicated enough already without that. So either he is town, or he is cult. Why would he use his ability on day 1 if he was town? Seriously bad play. He might off his best role.


As for the dead being recruited: by lynching previously dead people, as has happened already (which, frankly, was the expected outcome the second someone came back from the dead the first time - reading back, the major town argument was curiosity in 'can we lynch him, what will he CF as, and this is good to know for the future,' which invalidates any 'I think he is not scum' talk as scumminess wasn;t even a primary factor in voting him from the game thread), such mechanical recruitment would be nullified and the scum faction would become glorified killers, counting on reducing the absolute number of players on the game thread to win.

You're saying, though, that the reason all players that come back shouldn't be lynched because, as you said, it would make scum glorified killers. I used the exact reasoning in figuring you were town. If the opposite was true, if everyone that came back was scum, then TOWN would become the glorified killers. I can't see you being returned scum by your own argument. Yet you argue with me over believing you to be both Eloth and Town. I'm on your side. Did you think I was saying you weren't to be trusted ?

[Barghast]

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

I have to leave now for realsies, i think i'll be back in 2-3ish i assume, depending on traffic et al.

I'll do a reveal, i'm the Little Boy, my nightly ability is called "Puppy Eyes", it makes me immune to all NA's. It's even resolved before Guard, so it's total immunity. Name's Julok Jokul.

Paranoid? You had one vote. Mine wasn't even that serious of a vote. You should only reveal if you absolutely have to. It's a good thing our 'Mad Doctor' hasn't revealed.

[Osseric]

I'm back .
I see thyllan lynch went through . I inform you all that he is officially dead now.
Eloth (Emur) is obviously town. he died before night 1 and returned after night 2 . i'm pretty sure(gut sense) recruiting is not possible in SH.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 06 July 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I'm back .
I see thyllan lynch went through . I inform you all that he is officially dead now.
Eloth (Emur) is obviously town. he died before night 1 and returned after night 2 . i'm pretty sure(gut sense) recruiting is not possible in SH.

Your defense of Thyrllan based on what you seemed to 'know' is what cleared you for me. Exactly what was he, then? But don't lie, Osseric. Emur is now the Ecto thing.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Rashan, on 06 July 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Another thing i'm not entirely certain about is the fact that He Who Was Fener Once is actually a FM. My theory that there were no Bahamudites before the Espers got created would mean that we had an Adventurer FM. Unless, after being recruited, he got additional abilities. It could mean that someone in the Netherworld, or whatever you want to call the place mostly dead people go, has the ability to bring people back. It could also mean that either A: The Scum Esper can bring someone back, but that'd mean he could kill someone too, which seems quite overpowered to me. Or B: Scum recruits dead people, and the human Espers bring them back without knowing their alignment. Although that seems slightly odd as it would mean he'd have to sacrifice someone.

I doubt there are third parties in this game. It is complicated enough already without that. So either he is town, or he is cult. Why would he use his ability on day 1 if he was town? Seriously bad play. He might off his best role.


As for the dead being recruited: by lynching previously dead people, as has happened already (which, frankly, was the expected outcome the second someone came back from the dead the first time - reading back, the major town argument was curiosity in 'can we lynch him, what will he CF as, and this is good to know for the future,' which invalidates any 'I think he is not scum' talk as scumminess wasn;t even a primary factor in voting him from the game thread), such mechanical recruitment would be nullified and the scum faction would become glorified killers, counting on reducing the absolute number of players on the game thread to win.

You're saying, though, that the reason all players that come back shouldn't be lynched because, as you said, it would make scum glorified killers. I used the exact reasoning in figuring you were town. If the opposite was true, if everyone that came back was scum, then TOWN would become the glorified killers. I can't see you being returned scum by your own argument. Yet you argue with me over believing you to be both Eloth and Town. I'm on your side. Did you think I was saying you weren't to be trusted ?

I never tried to say the underlined. What I tried to argue is that scum's recruitment mechanism is not equal to automatically recruiting the returning dead, which was Rashan's option B.

As for you saying I wasn't to be trusted as both Eloth and Town: if only you were Instead, it seems you accept me as CI.
Now, while I do indeed hope that you'll PI/ VPI me, that's dangerous... (the town bit more than the Eloth bit) especially if you are as convinced I am still town, tomorrow.
We don't even know when recruitment happens, we just assume it is at night.

[Osseric]

I don't know late thyrs role,appearance or anything.

[Emurlahn]

Anyhow, I am out. may be back later tonight, but the afternoon and early evening, I probably won't be on thread.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 06 July 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I'm back .
I see thyllan lynch went through . I inform you all that he is officially dead now.
Eloth (Emur) is obviously town. he died before night 1 and returned after night 2 . i'm pretty sure(gut sense) recruiting is not possible in SH.

Not that I doubt he's Eloth, but he could not be Eloth, then that theory wouldn't work. I already tried to explain to Emur that if she is Eloth, then she's definately town. And she argued with me. Crazy. She don't want allies. She's going to solve it all by herself.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 06 July 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

I don't know late thyrs role,appearance or anything.

Then how did you know he was town and why did you say he's never coming back?