[Liosan]

Atrahal, on 27 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Who do you think driss is partnered with?

Same person who just removed his vote from D'riss

oh SNAP!!!!

[Omtose]

I'll be here. I'm not going to pull an anomandaris. So having my vote off is better.

[Liosan]

tbh i am so exhausted i am tempted to just vote and be done with it, we are all in such disagreement its gonna be a shot in the dark. not even gonna be about toward the end of day, so with pathshaper about i am starting to think we should just making a choice and seeing what happens. going for some food, back in a bit.

[Anomandaris]

So what do we do now? Wait for D'riss to respond? See what Fener and Eloth have to say and go from there?

[Fener]

For my part, we really don't have any solid information. All cases have been based on play style rather than slips or spots of pattern-based behaviour. As such, any change in pattern or play style goes one of two ways: either people find the change suspicious, or they see it as an attempt to break the style/pattern and hence no longer suspicious. Which way any given player goes seems much more related to their own atitude to the play style in question than it does to any actual case against the player under suspicion.

As a result, I no longer know what to think. Given the current almost-parity in numbers, it's going to be fairly easy for patterns of play on either side to be fingered as suspicious by the other, leading me to conclude that identifying scum via links between players is currently not a useful strategy. If that only leaves play style, then so be it.

I've voted for D'riss a few times, and would do so again. Of the remaining players, I would rank them in order of potential scumminess as follows (high to low):


Eloth
D'riss
Anomandaris
Atrahal
Omtose
Liosan
Fener

But that is only my own perception. I've put myself at bottom for fairly obvious reasons, but you guys might have differing opinions. That's the whole point of this post though -- all we have at the moment are opinions.


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[Anomandaris]

Atrahal is confirmed as a "not killer" so he should be just above you. It is interesting you put Liosan just above you.

This leads me to think you are "fake symping" him on purpose or this post is a mistake. Why do you think he is least likely to be scum? Eloth is high on everyone's list.

[Anomandaris]

Omtose, on 26 June 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Omtose = not a suspect.

Atrahal could be scum, but playing the odds I'm going to basically accept that he's kosher.

Liosan, for all his bulldogging, doesn't strike me as scum either.

Anomandaris and Fener and D'riss all pop into my head as smooth operators, doing the right stuff. Choosing between them seems a bit of a crap shoot. I need to take a better look at interactions/distancing, since I feel like I'm overlooking something that should be beating me upside the head.

Eloth is a symp. HA!

Omtose think Eloth is a symp.

Top three are me, fener and D'riss

Eloth, on 26 June 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on 26 June 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Omtose = not a suspect.

Atrahal could be scum, but playing the odds I'm going to basically accept that he's kosher.

Liosan, for all his bulldogging, doesn't strike me as scum either.

Anomandaris and Fener and D'riss all pop into my head as smooth operators, doing the right stuff. Choosing between them seems a bit of a crap shoot. I need to take a better look at interactions/distancing, since I feel like I'm overlooking something that should be beating me upside the head.

Eloth is a symp. HA!

Eloth = Not a symp or scum. Just a brilliant misunderstood mind.

I don't think that Atrahal is a killer. That is all I can give him. He could be the symp.

Liosan, ANomandaris, Fener, Driss, Omtose all possible scum. Of that list

Fener was a super low poster until I connected him to liosan yesterday then he started posted a lot. Has basically played a perfect low posting scum role.

Anomandaris, Omtose, I have you both in the same catagory because I have suspected you both at various times and you have both managed to post decently with out having anyone defend you. That means that you are cool heads and haven't really been on the block at all.

Liosan, Defended Fener yesterday and has continued to attacked Ano today.

Driss, Clean very little mistakes. Well thought out posts. Makes points. Could go either way.

atrahal as possible symp

top 5 for scum liosan, me, fener, d'riss and Omtose

top 3 looking at that post is liosan, fener and d'riss

Atrahal, on 26 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

So here's the thing: if the symp is dead, we have one more day (3 town to 2 scum). For that reason, the Eloth theory may be worth testing, mostly cause I think our continual discounting of his ideas has given him a permit to spam at will with no consequences, which means as a killer, he is almost like an unofficial PI.

I would prefer not to waste time on Eloth, but I'm expressing this caution, for I think that Anom may be warranted in his caution.

However, my money still is down on Omtose, Liosan, and D'riss.

I am unsure what has earned Omtose his PI status in many of your minds?

Liosan has chosen a perfect buddy in Fener, and I would love to hear one of those two do a real case on the other, just to see if they are in separable (I wonder if one is a flattered inno sticking with someone who is friendly to them, and the other is a "symping" killer).

And D'riss, the cleanest nose of the bunch, is the most suspicious to me because of his "perfection."

You know, at this point, I think all of us are having a hard time wading through the crapload of posts, and getting tired. I am also curious if there is a better way to review this information thoroughly as a whole rather than these pot shot cases which necessitate focusing on just one person. I mean, we may have to identify 3 (2 killers, and 1 symp).

Omtose, Liosan and D'riss are his top three.

Omtose, on 27 June 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Fener/D'riss/Eloth

These are my 3.

Vote D'riss

Omtose changes his top three to fener, d'riss and eloth.

Fener, on 27 June 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

For my part, we really don't have any solid information. All cases have been based on play style rather than slips or spots of pattern-based behaviour. As such, any change in pattern or play style goes one of two ways: either people find the change suspicious, or they see it as an attempt to break the style/pattern and hence no longer suspicious. Which way any given player goes seems much more related to their own atitude to the play style in question than it does to any actual case against the player under suspicion.

As a result, I no longer know what to think. Given the current almost-parity in numbers, it's going to be fairly easy for patterns of play on either side to be fingered as suspicious by the other, leading me to conclude that identifying scum via links between players is currently not a useful strategy. If that only leaves play style, then so be it.

I've voted for D'riss a few times, and would do so again. Of the remaining players, I would rank them in order of potential scumminess as follows (high to low):


Eloth
D'riss
Anomandaris
Atrahal
Omtose
Liosan
Fener

But that is only my own perception. I've put myself at bottom for fairly obvious reasons, but you guys might have differing opinions. That's the whole point of this post though -- all we have at the moment are opinions.


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Fener's top 3 are me, eloth and D'riss



Liosan hasn't made a list or I couldn't see it anyway. D'riss appears on almost everyone's scumdar.

[Liosan]

the fact that so many people are willing to vote driss is ringing alarm bells but at this stage the scum are probably willing to throw their own under the bus.

[Omtose]

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

the fact that so many people are willing to vote driss is ringing alarm bells but at this stage the scum are probably willing to throw their own under the bus.

Sure, people have been SAYING they are willing, but still the only people to have voted for D'riss were Atrahal and Karosis. So, no real money where the mouth is yet.

I have to go to bed, so this is where I'll leave my vote.

Vote D'riss

[Anomandaris]

I am amenable to voting D'riss. Especially since Atrahal also voted for him.

[Liosan]

well i guess we go for it and see what happens. I cant see you all switching to ano or eloth anytime soon

remove vote

vote driss

[Anomandaris]

Vote D'riss

[Anomandaris]

Fuck!! I thought it was only me around!!

[Liosan]

i am only here for another hour, so if someone wants to vote them off, I will at least get to see if we lose or get another day of it anyway. Course, now we decide to vote for driss pathshaper has probably gone to bed aswell.

[Liosan]

Wouldnt worry, we had discussed it enough, plenty of people had driss at the top of the list so hes a good pick for scum if i was wrong about you. At least this way we arent losing from a time out and made a proper discussion before we voted.

[Liosan]

fingers crossed !

[Eloth]

Omtose, on 27 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

the fact that so many people are willing to vote driss is ringing alarm bells but at this stage the scum are probably willing to throw their own under the bus.

Sure, people have been SAYING they are willing, but still the only people to have voted for D'riss were Atrahal and Karosis. So, no real money where the mouth is yet.

I have to go to bed, so this is where I'll leave my vote.

Vote D'riss

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

well i guess we go for it and see what happens. I cant see you all switching to ano or eloth anytime soon

remove vote

vote driss

Anomandaris, on 27 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Vote D'riss

This doesn't look fishy or anything.

[Anomandaris]

Eloth, on 27 June 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Omtose, on 27 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

the fact that so many people are willing to vote driss is ringing alarm bells but at this stage the scum are probably willing to throw their own under the bus.

Sure, people have been SAYING they are willing, but still the only people to have voted for D'riss were Atrahal and Karosis. So, no real money where the mouth is yet.

I have to go to bed, so this is where I'll leave my vote.

Vote D'riss

Liosan, on 27 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

well i guess we go for it and see what happens. I cant see you all switching to ano or eloth anytime soon

remove vote

vote driss

Anomandaris, on 27 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Vote D'riss

This doesn't look fishy or anything.

If Liosan had voted after me I would be all over him but it was the exact same time.

I agree with you though

[Liosan]

I thought you had driss pegged as scum aswell?

[Liosan]

that was at eloth btw.