[Karosis]

I just though of something... Seeing as it only takes five votes for a lynch, let's be careful about piling onto a lynch guys, there are potentially three scum right now, so anyone at L-3 could potentially get lynched real quick, forcing us to night early.

Given that, I will

remove vote

But know that my vote will get dropped right back on D'riss unless I find something more substantial. Now, gonna spend some time reviewing D'riss and Ano, and, like I said earlier, maybe Liosan.

[Liosan]

Actually very little to go on as anthras seemed very focused on atrahal and eloth, presumably with eloth as the master and atrahal as his symp.

Anthras, on 20 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

and boy i was reading the thread again and i noticed something.
Eloth and Atrahal were both on the turned train then Day1 ends and in Day2 they both vote Omtose in quick succession.Take what you will of that.

Anthras, on 20 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Anthras, on 20 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

and boy i was reading the thread again and i noticed something.
Eloth and Atrahal were both on the turned train then Day1 ends and in Day2 they both vote Omtose in quick succession.Take what you will of that.

Just wanted to add something to this:
Atrahal vote was initially on Korv,then Eloth comes and votes Omtose quickly changes it to Korb and Atrahal(second i think to vote Korv)changes his vote to Korbas .right after Eloth.

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

I need to have another read through. I'm not convinced of this case on Karosis, especially how he now has 4 votes out of 6 with over 24 hours to go. We lynched Korv because we thought Eloth could have been his symp, and for other reasons. Now today we are going to lynch Karosis because we think Eloth is his symp and other reasons. For me the only constant in the two cases is Eloth. We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.

I could see Amp as a possible partner as his play has definately changed. He admitted (I think) to low posting or being a low poster on day one and some of day two and now his activity has hiked and his cases seem strong. Omtose has been attacked or accused by one or two players over the course of the game and his case looks okay but I think Karosis could be a symp with his play compared to Eloth and Amp's play. (mentioning Omtose here because he might feel the need to provide an alternative to himself as Amp was looking at him yesterday, setting him up for today).

In fact looking at what people have said Karosis does stand out as a symp, I don't think scum would have hammered like he did with over an hour to go.

Vote Eloth

Something i can agree with.
As i stated earlier Eloth and Atrahal look very suspicious because they have voted on person all times.first day Atrahal was voting Korv then Eloth votes Korb and immediately Atrahal changes vote to Korbas.then day 2 they both vote Omtose and now i think my best vote would be on Eloth as he already has another vote on him.


Vote Eloth

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

I need to have another read through. I'm not convinced of this case on Karosis, especially how he now has 4 votes out of 6 with over 24 hours to go. We lynched Korv because we thought Eloth could have been his symp, and for other reasons. Now today we are going to lynch Karosis because we think Eloth is his symp and other reasons. For me the only constant in the two cases is Eloth. We keep thinking Eloth is a symp but he has not tried to deflect away from Karosis at all, or provide an alternative. If Eloth was a killer we'd be playing into his hands at the moment. Killing off another town will he tries again at night.

I could see Amp as a possible partner as his play has definately changed. He admitted (I think) to low posting or being a low poster on day one and some of day two and now his activity has hiked and his cases seem strong. Omtose has been attacked or accused by one or two players over the course of the game and his case looks okay but I think Karosis could be a symp with his play compared to Eloth and Amp's play. (mentioning Omtose here because he might feel the need to provide an alternative to himself as Amp was looking at him yesterday, setting him up for today).

In fact looking at what people have said Karosis does stand out as a symp, I don't think scum would have hammered like he did with over an hour to go.

Vote Eloth

Umm you do realize that their was no night kill last night right. How is it that none of you people have commented on that. Also if I am a symp. WHO AM I SYMPING????? Why would you vote for a suspected symp rather then try to figure out who I am symping. Oh right I am not symping anyone. The people who want to lynch the symp rather then look for the killer are scum.

You are a Tard. I am voting for you because I think of you as a killer. Others think you are a symp which is what I think you are going for to look less threatening.

When you say killer are you looking in a mirror? If I am a killer who is my partner? Where is my symp defending me all game long? Have you seen anyone step up and defend me at all. Umm no. But hey you don't care how many town get lynched do you. Thus the quick 3 secession votes to get me to the half way mark with over 21 fucking hours left in the day.

you sure have panicked boy.
First:you have only 2 votes on you.
Second:would you care to explain why atrahal is jumping after you every time you vote?

Either eloth is trying to remove anthras for pointing the finger at him and didnt pick up on atrahal being his symp (nk attempt night 2), or someone is picking their targets at night to frame eloth by removing the people who suspect him most.

[Liosan]

are we getting a weekend time freeze?

[Path-Shaper]

Yeah. I'm gonna put the freeze at 5 pm, -5gmt today (friday)

[Anomandaris]

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

[Karosis]

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

If I did that don't you think the healer would speak up? It's a pretty risky move, the healer isn't dead, and we can all be fairly sure there is a healer, how else would there have been a no-lynch on Night 2? You're making quite a stretch.

[Anomandaris]

Karosis, on 22 June 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

If I did that don't you think the healer would speak up? It's a pretty risky move, the healer isn't dead, and we can all be fairly sure there is a healer, how else would there have been a no-lynch on Night 2? You're making quite a stretch.

No, it is a possibility. Like I said i'm 70 to 30 in your favour but my mafia mind is never trustful.

You could be revealing to get the healer to reveal, that is why I want to hear from everyone first. A healer is powerful going into the final game days you see. If your the healer then the killers would target you tonight, if you don't die then... I don't see your need to reveal this early. That is all. Anyway like I said, I want to hear from other's first.

[Karosis]

ECHO (echo, echo, echo)

So quiet in here today! Good thing we're not wasting any of our day on doing something as silly as debating and deciding! Guess it's good there will be about 20 hours left of day after the weekend freeze.

PS - when will weekend unfreeze?

[Path-Shaper]

Timer is frozen with
19 hours and 50 minutes remaining in Day 4.
Timer will unfreeze in the morning monday -5gmt.

[Path-Shaper]

Don't everyone start posting or anything

[Liosan]

Now thats what i call a weekend break!!

[Fener]

I'm afraid I was away being awesome this weekend, so I've not had the chance to review the thread until this morning. Am proceeding to do so now.

[Anomandaris]

Yes, me too, I thought I would have some time but my mum and dad moved house this weekend and I helped them with that. I am pushed for time today also

[Anomandaris]

As I said i'm not going to have much time so for now

Vote Eloth

He is my top choice for one of the killers. There are others that could be his partner but I am fairly confident about him.

[Liosan]

Still couldve give us something to discuss, a vote on dday without any background or even reference to another case is fairly suspect in itself. Wheres fener gone, thought he was gonna read the thread?

[Atrahal]

Ah a fresh reread after a wasted weekend. ::stretches arms::

To be perfectly honest, considering Karo was the only one around this weekend, I decided to save my breath till I knew there were other people to talk with. I have Karo on a PI after his reveal (got to settle down somewhere on what may be D-day), which leaves me with a lot of other suspects to work through. So the first one I've turned my attentions on is D'riss.

Now you may ask "why D'riss? He's been a real helpful, almost annoyingly so, player. Are you suggesting we lynch such thoughtful player?"

Yes, potentially.

Here's why:

D, on 19 June 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Um, what? Are you talking about the bit where I asked you why you were voting Meanas? Because that would be a pretty poor defence, and I asked the same of Atrahal's vote on Korvalain. Or are you referencing the bit where I said Meanas had nothing to defend against? Because I was not the first to say that. It was pretty weak play, and now you are trying to pin suspicion on me, while still sticking with your Meanas vote, that is based on nothing.

This first quote is D'riss's reaction to being accused of symping. Iirc, D'riss is one of the first to begin case debating, starting off with the case on Meanas. D'riss is also full of questions, with an emphasis on encouraging debate and discussion. Setting the stage for the massive Big Tent argument of Day 1.

So again I ask you all, how would scum play? The killers know who will come up as inno (and they only have a 1 in 10 chance of building a case against their symp if they fail to identify him early on). Having played scum before myself, I know this is a luxury. One can be self-righteous, argue with everyone, and look like the most thoughtful townie in the crowd because there is no need to rely on one's gut.

You know, this is an interesting twist in Big Tent Mafia. What if a scummy tactic is playing from the angle of complete logic and avoiding using words like "gut" and "I get the feeling." I know I've done this as scum.



So with D'riss, I have been blinded by his helpfulness and complementary nature. Quote #2 represents another aspect of D'riss that we see quite frequently: gregariousness (Duh duh duuuuuuh).

D, on 19 June 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Good spotting, Ano. But according to my records you yourself did not remove your vote from Omtose before voting for Korbas...

I'm heading to bed and won't be back before the end of day. At this stage it's not clear where the lynch is going to end up, but we have had a great day one, so I would urge everyone to vote, it will get us sone good info.

Night all.

I agree that everyone talking and voting gives us good information. It also, ironically, gives scum even more material to manipulate and redirect as they see fit. We all worry about people spamming up day 1 and then signaling to their team under our noses. But we don't worry about serious contemplation because that is helpful, right? There is nothing that says scum can't be good thinkers, esp. when everyone seems scummy at one time or another. Good thinkers are wrong all the time in this game... maybe some are on purpose....

D, on 20 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Omtose, I think the main issue against you is your vote on Korvalain. You basically said 'why not?', without going back and doing your own reading elaborating further or commenting in any other way, and then stuck rather strictly to your vote. The other thing I found somewhat suspicious was your mention of looking at people who hadn't voted yet, despite the fact that the majority of votes in the game had been joke votes up to that point. However, the way you joined in the joke voting and advocated pressuring people who were online rather than those who had disappeared, as well as your response to the case on Korbas has me thinking you're probably town.

I'm actually leaning much more towards your case on Eloth. His case on Omtose, after saying specifically that he didn't think there were enough votes for a Korbas lynch, looks a little like scrambling. He discounts the case on Korvalain in a simple sentence based on a vague mention of the way he responded to the case against him, which I personally thought was rather weak (the response, not the case). He also based his case on Omtose on 'not making waves', but Korvalain is a much better candidate for that charge. The quotes that he used were cherry-picked out of context, and he only actually used two quotes out of all the posts Omtose had made, which suggests a case made to distract, rather than a serious case, especially given the timing of the case.

In addition, the way Korvalain has been acting since the end of day sounds to me like someone very relieved to still be alive. He is suddenly acting very helpful, making cases and throwing suspicions around. The case on Fener in particular looks pretty weak, and there is very little analysis, minus some surface comments stuck in with big quotes.

Vote Korvalain.

I know I made quote three a little easier to skim with underlinings. The underlinings point out 3 separate people (Omtose, Eloth, Fener) discussed/accused, ironically none of which receive the vote at the end of the post.

It's a very good post, weaving through various cases, giving some compliments and validation and dismissing/redirecting away from a case on Eloth and Fener.

So at this point, I imagine several of you saying, "well sure Atrahal, WIFOM is great and all, but what is your case? That D'riss is a good player and we should lynch him for that? WTF?"

To which I reply preemptively, yes. As I've said before in this post, scum know pretty much everyone's allegiances. There are several ways to approach a game as scum, and one way is to play very well (too well) and dole out compliments and validations to bring down people's guard. And as scum, you can leisurely tear down cases. It's nice to have a lynch, but time is on your side, not town's. So if you look less suspicious by making people think harder, three cheers for you!

This is what I believe D'riss is doing. I wish I had caught on earlier when we had more wiggle room, but there it is.

I do have work, it is Monday after all. I will easily be back before lynching time (provided you all count the hours properly and don't get panicky when there are 4+ hours to go). Due to the delicate nature of this day, I will reserve placing my vote till then.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

Still couldve give us something to discuss, a vote on dday without any background or even reference to another case is fairly suspect in itself. Wheres fener gone, thought he was gonna read the thread?

Good question. And what about you, do you have something substantial to discuss?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 19 Hours and 42 Minutes remaining.

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Eloth ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

Clock is unfrozen!

[Liosan]

Atrahal, on 25 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

Still couldve give us something to discuss, a vote on dday without any background or even reference to another case is fairly suspect in itself. Wheres fener gone, thought he was gonna read the thread?

Good question. And what about you, do you have something substantial to discuss?

I posted alot that you seem to have ignored considering it had to do with the supposed nk attempt on you night 2. Waiting on some feedback from everyone before i decide where to place my vote, most notably eloth who seems to have been voted for or had serious questions asked by the three night kill targets.

[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

Anomandaris, on 25 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

As I said i'm not going to have much time so for now

Vote Eloth

He is my top choice for one of the killers. There are others that could be his partner but I am fairly confident about him.

When this game is over. Either due to me being lynched and scum winning. I would like for you to post a picture of you eating your hat with only mustard please. The hat must fit your head and not be a small hat. It can be a hat of your choice. It does not need to be a cowboy hat with would be my choice.

I think that your scum radar sucks if your town. You haven't been right all game. The reason that you haven't been right is that your scum. You have managed to avoid getting any cases made on you because you have been making cases on everyone else. I am just your most recent target. Which is fine. If I am lynched it is no loss for town other then the next day is D D.

Right now my scum list is

Anomandaris
Fener
Driss

suspicious list
Omtose
Liosan
atrahal

PI
Karosis


Vote Anomandaris

Yes I know it is OMGUS. Still doesn't mean that I am wrong.