[Osseric]

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yeap. Osseric is scrambling. His posts are getting increasingly more panicked, and he is starting to contradict himself.

If what Eloth had to say "had nothing to do with being asked", why were you asking? If you expected him to lie, why were you asking?

At this stage in the game, it may make sense to lynch one Cult Leader, especially if we aren't 100% sure about who Batman is. If we can reduce the drain on town, that can only be a good thing. HOWEVER, there is no need to know who all the CL's are at this point, because Batman can read the thread just as well as the rest of us, and he will use that info to win. The only person who needs that info right now is Batman.

I've yet to contradict myself. Find it. You guys sure are getting highly upset about me asking Eloth questions. As for starting to panick? Panick over what? Over asking Eloth who the 3rd CL was?

ELOTH, WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO THE 3RD CL IS? Just do it, man. Let it out. I know you want to. It has to be such a heavy burden to carry. I promise you will feel better.

So you're now giving up every single pretense of being town, not even arguiing anymore why town needs to know this?
You disappoint me, Bruce, you really do.

You can tell me, man. Just whisper it. Type it really small. Put it in code. They have already given you the OK to tell me. I'm the one that will take the blame. I asked you. If you answer me, then in no way is that your fault. So now that you are forgiven for this horrible sin, spill the beans. Who's that 3rd CL? Forget the rest of these, bums. You'll be dead soon. Out with it. What do you have to lose?

[Eloth]

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yeap. Osseric is scrambling. His posts are getting increasingly more panicked, and he is starting to contradict himself.

If what Eloth had to say "had nothing to do with being asked", why were you asking? If you expected him to lie, why were you asking?

At this stage in the game, it may make sense to lynch one Cult Leader, especially if we aren't 100% sure about who Batman is. If we can reduce the drain on town, that can only be a good thing. HOWEVER, there is no need to know who all the CL's are at this point, because Batman can read the thread just as well as the rest of us, and he will use that info to win. The only person who needs that info right now is Batman.

I've yet to contradict myself. Find it. You guys sure are getting highly upset about me asking Eloth questions. As for starting to panick? Panick over what? Over asking Eloth who the 3rd CL was?

ELOTH, WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO THE 3RD CL IS? Just do it, man. Let it out. I know you want to. It has to be such a heavy burden to carry. I promise you will feel better.

So you're now giving up every single pretense of being town, not even arguiing anymore why town needs to know this?
You disappoint me, Bruce, you really do.

You can tell me, man. Just whisper it. Type it really small. Put it in code. They have already given you the OK to tell me. I'm the one that will take the blame. I asked you. If you answer me, then in no way is that your fault. So now that you are forgiven for this horrible sin, spill the beans. Who's that 3rd CL? Forget the rest of these, bums. You'll be dead soon. Out with it. What do you have to lose?

Have you ever given it thought that you might be lynched before you can use that day-vig? Come on, use it. You know you want to.

[Eloth]

 Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

I'm starting to wonder if Osseric WANTS to get lynched.

nah, he just hopes I'll let slip, and then he will vig. Or he will vig me and then get lynched. Since he's called out, he's got nothing to win but information - and of course, credits for going out with style.

[Osseric]

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yeap. Osseric is scrambling. His posts are getting increasingly more panicked, and he is starting to contradict himself.

If what Eloth had to say "had nothing to do with being asked", why were you asking? If you expected him to lie, why were you asking?

At this stage in the game, it may make sense to lynch one Cult Leader, especially if we aren't 100% sure about who Batman is. If we can reduce the drain on town, that can only be a good thing. HOWEVER, there is no need to know who all the CL's are at this point, because Batman can read the thread just as well as the rest of us, and he will use that info to win. The only person who needs that info right now is Batman.

I've yet to contradict myself. Find it. You guys sure are getting highly upset about me asking Eloth questions. As for starting to panick? Panick over what? Over asking Eloth who the 3rd CL was?

ELOTH, WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO THE 3RD CL IS? Just do it, man. Let it out. I know you want to. It has to be such a heavy burden to carry. I promise you will feel better.

So you're now giving up every single pretense of being town, not even arguiing anymore why town needs to know this?
You disappoint me, Bruce, you really do.

You can tell me, man. Just whisper it. Type it really small. Put it in code. They have already given you the OK to tell me. I'm the one that will take the blame. I asked you. If you answer me, then in no way is that your fault. So now that you are forgiven for this horrible sin, spill the beans. Who's that 3rd CL? Forget the rest of these, bums. You'll be dead soon. Out with it. What do you have to lose?

Have you ever given it thought that you might be lynched before you can use that day-vig? Come on, use it. You know you want to.

I do want to. The batteries in my Batman Laser Gun must be low. I'll have Alfred beaten for this.

Guess you're off the hook, eh?

[Eloth]

Also Bruce, in other news: I shagged the one true love of your life, you know, Rachel Dawes. And she was fairly terrible.

[Eloth]

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yeap. Osseric is scrambling. His posts are getting increasingly more panicked, and he is starting to contradict himself.

If what Eloth had to say "had nothing to do with being asked", why were you asking? If you expected him to lie, why were you asking?

At this stage in the game, it may make sense to lynch one Cult Leader, especially if we aren't 100% sure about who Batman is. If we can reduce the drain on town, that can only be a good thing. HOWEVER, there is no need to know who all the CL's are at this point, because Batman can read the thread just as well as the rest of us, and he will use that info to win. The only person who needs that info right now is Batman.

I've yet to contradict myself. Find it. You guys sure are getting highly upset about me asking Eloth questions. As for starting to panick? Panick over what? Over asking Eloth who the 3rd CL was?

ELOTH, WILL YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO THE 3RD CL IS? Just do it, man. Let it out. I know you want to. It has to be such a heavy burden to carry. I promise you will feel better.

So you're now giving up every single pretense of being town, not even arguiing anymore why town needs to know this?
You disappoint me, Bruce, you really do.

You can tell me, man. Just whisper it. Type it really small. Put it in code. They have already given you the OK to tell me. I'm the one that will take the blame. I asked you. If you answer me, then in no way is that your fault. So now that you are forgiven for this horrible sin, spill the beans. Who's that 3rd CL? Forget the rest of these, bums. You'll be dead soon. Out with it. What do you have to lose?

Have you ever given it thought that you might be lynched before you can use that day-vig? Come on, use it. You know you want to.

I do want to. The batteries in my Batman Laser Gun must be low. I'll have Alfred beaten for this.

Guess you're off the hook, eh?

Well, it does give me time for lunch. Ta-ta.

[Galain]

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

More complete Bullshit. I was the one to suggest that Amp was not a townie finder but another CL. ME. *snip*

 Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Eloth you have just claimed that I am Batman, and that I am defending Amp and must be one of his recruits all in the last 5 minutes. At least stick to one lie at a time. Like I said I am the one that suggest Amp was probably another CL outting you rather than a town with a finder ability like he claimed. Get your shit together.

*snip*

Actually, kids, I was the first person to suggest this possibility. Before either of you were even ON today. So stop the stupid claim-game.

 Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Morning everyone. Seems people have been busy in my absence! Good job guys!

I think we need to be careful about what we choose to believe of Eloth's claims. We have the following things confirmed by both Ampelas and Eloth:

- Eloth is Two-Face.

And pretty much everything else is information supplied by Eloth and Eloth only, eg:

- Ampelas is the Joker.
- Cult have a double recruit on the first night.

I think we can take "Eloth is Two-Face" as true, because it has been confirmed by both parties involved. I don't think we can assume that the rest are true just on Eloth's word. She has good reason to lie - by making Ampelas seem like an attractive lynch target she gives herself a chance of not being lynched straight away (as she pretty much admitted herself). So treat those claims with a very liberal pinch of salt, if you would.

Now THIS. THIS is wisdom, people. Right here, in this very thread. EVERYTHING Eloth has said is unconfirmed. (However, this is why it was a good idea to wait for Eloth to show up, naturally.)


The only thing I'd like to know is...Meanas claims the Joker is his boss. Eloth claims Amp is the Joker. Meanas, can you confirm this? (Or have you already, and I missed it?)

[Osseric]

 Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

Also Bruce, in other news: I shagged the one true love of your life, you know, Rachel Dawes. And she was fairly terrible.

Oh, you are a dead man!! You know how I feel about her, man. S'fucked up. Even for your twisted ass.

And I told you, my batteries are dead, and CVS is closed. They're buffing the floors.

What's funny is why Batman HASN'T killed you. I mean he could do so, and I would get blamed.

[Galain]

 Galain, on 06 June 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Hummmm, but we have a confirmed failed recruitment, don't we? Ballsy move of Amp if so, but he could be one CL and outing the other one (who he knows from the failed recruit attempt) in the hopes of a quick resolution, either via vig or lynch.

As well, if he is not a CL but has been recruited, then that is in answer to the question of who benefits from the shift in attention? Amps' faction, if he's been recruited. Because by blindly flinging suspicion on someone - a person who he knows at least is NOT his leader - then his cult gains from the death of: town (going for plurality); Batman (VC); enemy cult (plurarlity). There's no downside except the inevitable lynch of Amp if Eloth comes up town BUT that is predicated on Eloth not having been recruited, not being a CL, not being the Batman, AND everyone still caring about that tomorrow when Amps faction is 3 people instead of just two, and all the allegiences have shifted yet again. It's a pretty big move, but it still makes some sense. And there isn't anything to say that Amp wasn't a genuine finder, found a CL, and is now recruited, either.


So the only rational way to proceed (barring other factors affecting gameplay) is to; wait for Eloth to reply. Based on his response, we either lynch him or Amp as a traditional test. Problem solved. But there's no point in rushing anything here, because that just muddies the waters.



Anyway, just a quick post.

And because people apparently have a bit of a mental block issue going when it comes to my posts. This is the one I'm talking about. Loooong before either of you two (Eloth/Osseric) showed up today.

[Telas]

I don't see why Meanas would have revealed except in an attempt to save his boss Ampelas from the lynch by suggesting some kind of cooperative work.

Still, I'd like to see what Ampelas says before we lynch anyone.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 20 hours and 0 minutes left.

21 players remaining alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

it takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 go to night.

1 vote for Liosan (Meanas)
3 vote for Eloth (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric)
1 vote for Osseric (Eloth, Thyrllan)

The Following people have not voted:
Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Rashan, Spite, Telas,

-ment

[Path-Shaper]

I'm off for most of the day, try not to break anything, guys.

-ment

[Korvalain]

I'm heading home, and have no idea whether the internet has been restored in my absence. I'll be back on in the morning in any case, but for now

Vote Osseric.

He is obviously very disinterested in doing anything that could help town.

[Galain]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I don't see why Meanas would have revealed except in an attempt to save his boss Ampelas from the lynch by suggesting some kind of cooperative work.

Still, I'd like to see what Ampelas says before we lynch anyone.

Meh, we've got 20 hours. Plenty of time.

Meanas may have revealed for a variety of reasons. For example; realizing that his faction cannot win yet. The longer the game goes on, the better for the Cults. So regardless of his true allegience (which may change again soon anyway...and remember, this is the guy who has expressed no particular care to play for his own faction, just his own win) he doesn't lose *anything* by revealing that he's been recruited. That's part of why I'm asking him to confirm/deny (completely) the Joker = Amp thing. He's the only other player who can, and more importantly it solidifies his story; gives us a guide to work off when gauging his post's content. And Ampelas doesn't even factor into it, save for coming on thread and denying being the Joker, which isn't necessarily in his best interests, but if it was then it's simply a gamble on Meanas' part.



But! I think I spotted some inconsistancies in Eloth's claims earlier, so I think it'd pay to go and see if I can shore them up a bit in my mind.

[Thyrllan]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

It is Day 2, 20 hours and 0 minutes left.

21 players remaining alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

it takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 go to night.

1 vote for Liosan (Meanas)
3 vote for Eloth (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric)
1 vote for Osseric (Eloth, Thyrllan)

The Following people have not voted:
Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Rashan, Spite, Telas,

-ment

Didn't count my vote?

[Galain]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm off for most of the day, try not to break anything, guys.

-ment

Yessir.

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm off for most of the day, try not to break anything, guys.

-ment

Should have said that before I placed that timebomb under Galain's chair, Ment. Two more posts and he's kablooie.

[Eloth]

Galain, on 06 June 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm off for most of the day, try not to break anything, guys.

-ment

Yessir.

Oh, only 1 now.

[Osseric]

Galain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 June 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Hummmm, but we have a confirmed failed recruitment, don't we? Ballsy move of Amp if so, but he could be one CL and outing the other one (who he knows from the failed recruit attempt) in the hopes of a quick resolution, either via vig or lynch.

As well, if he is not a CL but has been recruited, then that is in answer to the question of who benefits from the shift in attention? Amps' faction, if he's been recruited. Because by blindly flinging suspicion on someone - a person who he knows at least is NOT his leader - then his cult gains from the death of: town (going for plurality); Batman (VC); enemy cult (plurarlity). There's no downside except the inevitable lynch of Amp if Eloth comes up town BUT that is predicated on Eloth not having been recruited, not being a CL, not being the Batman, AND everyone still caring about that tomorrow when Amps faction is 3 people instead of just two, and all the allegiences have shifted yet again. It's a pretty big move, but it still makes some sense. And there isn't anything to say that Amp wasn't a genuine finder, found a CL, and is now recruited, either.


So the only rational way to proceed (barring other factors affecting gameplay) is to; wait for Eloth to reply. Based on his response, we either lynch him or Amp as a traditional test. Problem solved. But there's no point in rushing anything here, because that just muddies the waters.



Anyway, just a quick post.

And because people apparently have a bit of a mental block issue going when it comes to my posts. This is the one I'm talking about. Loooong before either of you two (Eloth/Osseric) showed up today.

Sorry that I missed that Galain. But in my defense I did have to read a ton of pages to catch up and was reading faster than I should have.

[Galain]

Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm off for most of the day, try not to break anything, guys.

-ment

Should have said that before I placed that timebomb under Galain's chair, Ment. Two more posts and he's kablooie.

I WILL find you and kill you, scumbag.