[Karosis]

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

[D'riss]

I'm not sure what you are suggesting/wanting.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

I'm not sure what you're asking really. As far as I can tell, unless something subtle has passed me by, there's no way to know with regards to most players in which faction they're currently in. The only way I can see in which you'd be able to reasonably identify where people stand is if you happen to put a CL on a lynch train....which actually might not be a bad idea to attempt after Batface has been offed one more time.

[Karosis]

D, on 11 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

I'm not sure what you are suggesting/wanting.

Well, how do you think we should proceed about balancing the concerns of finding and lynching Batman with the jockeying for position that will inevitably occur? If town leave it too long to try to thin out the Cults, we might end up without a shot of winning. On the other hand, leaving the Batman too much time to hunt down the Cult leaders will end up with the same result. We need to figure out how best to balance the two threatening outcomes.

[D'riss]

I think it is too early to start the infighting. Two more Big Bat jumps is far more dangerous to everyone at this point than getting Cult Leaders. Let's get Batman one more time and then I think it'll be safe to let the faction fight begin.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

D, on 11 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

I'm not sure what you are suggesting/wanting.

Well, how do you think we should proceed about balancing the concerns of finding and lynching Batman with the jockeying for position that will inevitably occur? If town leave it too long to try to thin out the Cults, we might end up without a shot of winning. On the other hand, leaving the Batman too much time to hunt down the Cult leaders will end up with the same result. We need to figure out how best to balance the two threatening outcomes.

I would wager that's what the guns are ultimately intended for - evening out the factions/putting plurality in your team's favour, quickly enough in order to not give Batman enough time to get rid of the CLs.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

I'm not sure what you're asking really. As far as I can tell, unless something subtle has passed me by, there's no way to know with regards to most players in which faction they're currently in. The only way I can see in which you'd be able to reasonably identify where people stand is if you happen to put a CL on a lynch train....which actually might not be a bad idea to attempt after Batface has been offed one more time.

What are you on about? Have you never played Mafia before? If the underlined were true, then we should all just give up and go home in most games. You analyse connections between players to figure out who's defending who, who's ignoring who etc., and from that you determine the shape of the teams. That's how this game is supposed to work!

[Telas]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Something else we're going to have to start thinking about - by my count the WCS is that town will no longer have plurality after night ends today (in fact, it's possible if we got unlucky with the alignments of Spite and whoever Batman is now that we're already at that point). At some point we're going to have to start addressing that issue. Thought I'd put this out there before night ends because it means we need to keep an eye out for possibly recruited players (also, if a player gets recruited tonight then they can't be Batman, which might be useful).

What does everyone else think about this? I'd like to get some reactions please - that way we can gauge them against people's philosophies on the subject after night ends.

I'm not sure what you're asking really. As far as I can tell, unless something subtle has passed me by, there's no way to know with regards to most players in which faction they're currently in. The only way I can see in which you'd be able to reasonably identify where people stand is if you happen to put a CL on a lynch train....which actually might not be a bad idea to attempt after Batface has been offed one more time.

What are you on about? Have you never played Mafia before? If the underlined were true, then we should all just give up and go home in most games. You analyse connections between players to figure out who's defending who, who's ignoring who etc., and from that you determine the shape of the teams. That's how this game is supposed to work!

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

[Telas]

Actually, Karosis does look a bit like a chorizo....

[Omtose]

I think it all depends on the results of night, and whatever looks like the best case strategically.

[Korbas]

Just a warning ahead of time. My posting time is going to reduce drastically this week, then more so next week. Preparing for a trip currently. If someone is looking to prove themselves with a vig, feel free to use it on me.

[Telas]

Alright, I'm off for a bit.

[Anomandaris]

Just reading from my phone.

Wanted to say...Fuck yeah eat that shit Batman!!! Ill be keeping up

[Karosis]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

[Liosan]

Hello all, i'm back for now. Can't really prove the fact that i'm not recruited OR the Bat today, but i'll be able to do so tomorrow. I agree that we should kill the Bat once more before we start slaughtering eachother, 'cause nobody wants the Bat to win.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

This post has been edited by Telas: 11 June 2012 - 08:04 PM

[Emurlahn]

D, on 11 June 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

I think it is too early to start the infighting. Two more Big Bat jumps is far more dangerous to everyone at this point than getting Cult Leaders. Let's get Batman one more time and then I think it'll be safe to let the faction fight begin.

Well as per a broadcast we know at least Telas is either recruited or a recruiter. With your reasoning I'd say you'd be the same. The Batman has not decreased the size of town at all, all he has ever done is kill Ampelas. Yes he has to take out 2 more CL's but at the same time the CL's are decreasing the size of us. I agree we need to discuss the next move. At the moment it is in my mind that we do try and lynch Batman one more time. The recruiter will have a good indication who they have recruited and who was not recruitable though so in my opinion the CL's have a lot more information than town. If we lynch the BM and they have a good indication of who is town it can be dangerous for us if they have better numbers than us. Can someone do WCS so we know what numbers we are talking about? If we go for a CL then his recruits will protect him somewhat although the other CL will want him lynched so his faction can get rid of the CL with us. All that would mean is we have one CL left who will take two lynches to lynch at the least. It's complicated and that's why i'm waffling a little here. If we get the BM again then the CL's may make a play against each other. How about a proposal to the BM. We have to kill you twice to have any hope of winning but we also have to kill CL twice also. If you come clean who you are we don't lynch you today and we go for a CL. Then once one of them have gone we lynch you and then go for another CL. I don't know if someone else can flesh this idea out more but i'm getting less and less trustworthy of players. On the topic of waiting all bloody day for the thread to unlock it was very frustrating. I was ready to play all day and waiting for the time PS said the thread would open, that came and went and I kept coming back to see if it was open yet. On BM selecting a new player, what if he chose a CL but didn't have any other options/provisionals? Or picked both CL's as a successor thinking that'd be okay. If that was the case then who would Spite think of as a CL. On another note he may have been away from the thread for a long time before picking his successor.

[Korbas]

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

D, on 11 June 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

I think it is too early to start the infighting. Two more Big Bat jumps is far more dangerous to everyone at this point than getting Cult Leaders. Let's get Batman one more time and then I think it'll be safe to let the faction fight begin.

Well as per a broadcast we know at least Telas is either recruited or a recruiter. With your reasoning I'd say you'd be the same. The Batman has not decreased the size of town at all, all he has ever done is kill Ampelas. Yes he has to take out 2 more CL's but at the same time the CL's are decreasing the size of us. I agree we need to discuss the next move. At the moment it is in my mind that we do try and lynch Batman one more time. The recruiter will have a good indication who they have recruited and who was not recruitable though so in my opinion the CL's have a lot more information than town. If we lynch the BM and they have a good indication of who is town it can be dangerous for us if they have better numbers than us. Can someone do WCS so we know what numbers we are talking about? If we go for a CL then his recruits will protect him somewhat although the other CL will want him lynched so his faction can get rid of the CL with us. All that would mean is we have one CL left who will take two lynches to lynch at the least. It's complicated and that's why i'm waffling a little here. If we get the BM again then the CL's may make a play against each other. How about a proposal to the BM. We have to kill you twice to have any hope of winning but we also have to kill CL twice also. If you come clean who you are we don't lynch you today and we go for a CL. Then once one of them have gone we lynch you and then go for another CL. I don't know if someone else can flesh this idea out more but i'm getting less and less trustworthy of players. On the topic of waiting all bloody day for the thread to unlock it was very frustrating. I was ready to play all day and waiting for the time PS said the thread would open, that came and went and I kept coming back to see if it was open yet. On BM selecting a new player, what if he chose a CL but didn't have any other options/provisionals? Or picked both CL's as a successor thinking that'd be okay. If that was the case then who would Spite think of as a CL. On another note he may have been away from the thread for a long time before picking his successor.

Emurlahn is batman.

Vote Emurlahn

[D'riss]

Don't think we can vote at night.

[Emurlahn]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

How many town can be left town BCS/WCS?

IF you were still town Telas what would be your thoughts?

As a recruitee of course you'd say let's get rid of BM. Ultimately we have to kill both BM and CL's to win. How strong do we think CL's are at the moment? LP's and BP's against town?

Also as I didn't vote yesterday I have a choice from the cache again. I haven't decided what to take yet. I've asked PS when I can use Knife or Gun. If Gun isn't until tomorrow and Knife tonight then maybe i'll pick Gun anyway so that you can see i've shot someone and therefore cannot be the Bat. That'd rule me out. I have nothing to gain for trying to buy one more day. I could pick a Bat but no one would know if i've guarded someone. Body Armour seems selfish and Shield seem pointless when I have no other abilities.