[D'riss]

Right. I'm hungover. I asked questions because reading up obviously didn't clear it up for me that well.

So, thank you clarifying, however condescendingly it was done.

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Remember that now the BB mechanic is in play, we have to throw that list you made out of the window and start again. Better to keep some mystery about at least some of the players so that we keep the new Batman guessing rather than to cross the remaining names off the list and make it easy for him.

If we have a strong indication who the CL are we can rule them out of being Batman though. That would narrow the pool down somewhat

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 08 June 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Remember that now the BB mechanic is in play, we have to throw that list you made out of the window and start again. Better to keep some mystery about at least some of the players so that we keep the new Batman guessing rather than to cross the remaining names off the list and make it easy for him.

If we have a strong indication who the CL are we can rule them out of being Batman though. That would narrow the pool down somewhat

Putting that information on thread would spell WIN for Batman though, so why in the world would we post that?

It's been an interesting night! Sorry for not being around yesterday, as I said, sister's grad and such. I'm finally back, and it took me the better part of an hour to catch up on thread... SOOO much has happened. So, as it stands we have 2 Cult Leaders down, and 1 Batman kill? I think it's in everyone's best interest to find Batman, kill him at least once more, probably twice more before we start hunting for more Cult Leaders.

That all being said, I like the Telas / Spite case. Of the two, I'm more inclined to fall on Spite. Telas has been active, and as far as I can see, hasn't made any slips to show that he could actually be Batman. Spite doesn't seem to be around, so until he can give us a good defence.

vote Spite

With that, I think we should be looking closer at Anomandaris and D'Riss too, they have been dinging on my suspicion radar. Emurlahn is also, as noted above, trying to get us to put info on thread that could only help Batman. That warrants further investigation, and Emurlahn's been on and off the radar for a few days... I think if Batman does have a recruit like was intimated a couple days ago, Emurlahn might be his recruit, or a BM symp of some sort.

[Path-Shaper]

As of 11 inutes ago, the clock is frozen for the weekend.

-ment

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 08 June 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

As of 11 inutes ago, the clock is frozen for the weekend.

-ment

What time does the clock resume on Monday?

[Rashan]

And how long will there be left on the clock when it resumes?

[Omtose]

I warn you all that I will be able to log in from time to time this weekend, but next week I'm on holiday, so you will start seeing gaps in my posting. I'll have my phone with me though so will try and stay up to date.

[Path-Shaper]

resume 8 AM EST, b4 i'm off to work

how much time will depend on when this day started (i'll let you know once I get home, inn about 5 hours)

if there's a lynch over weeknd, there will be night, and if we start a new day, when clock resumes there'll be 32 h left.

-ment

[Karosis]

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Oh. Hang on. I've just thought of an alternative.


One of myself or Spite could have been guarded, or Galain could have been have been healed - so it's not for certain that Batman is in our little group at all.

Isn't this the sort of thing you'd think of straight away if an action you were expecting to work failed? Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened. Especially since what you were doing was a guard...

[Telas]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Oh. Hang on. I've just thought of an alternative.


One of myself or Spite could have been guarded, or Galain could have been have been healed - so it's not for certain that Batman is in our little group at all.

Isn't this the sort of thing you'd think of straight away if an action you were expecting to work failed? Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened. Especially since what you were doing was a guard...

But I only have Galain's word that it failed...I wasn't informed myself.

Also, you say: "Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened" Yes, I agree completely. But I don't know why it failed. Which is why I'm looking at all possible explanations.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here? I didn't think about being blocked straight away because everyone was going on about me or Spite being Batman (and I learned it had failed within that context), so that's what I focused on. Don't you think that's just natural?

[Telas]

By the way all, I won't be around AT ALL on Saturday so won't be able to respond to anything then. I should be back Sunday though.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Oh. Hang on. I've just thought of an alternative.


One of myself or Spite could have been guarded, or Galain could have been have been healed - so it's not for certain that Batman is in our little group at all.

Isn't this the sort of thing you'd think of straight away if an action you were expecting to work failed? Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened. Especially since what you were doing was a guard...

But I only have Galain's word that it failed...I wasn't informed myself.

Also, you say: "Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened" Yes, I agree completely. But I don't know why it failed. Which is why I'm looking at all possible explanations.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here? I didn't think about being blocked straight away because everyone was going on about me or Spite being Batman (and I learned it had failed within that context), so that's what I focused on. Don't you think that's just natural?

You need me to spell it out? If you were Batman, you'd know why it happened, so you wouldn't search for alternative explanations until later. You learned that a bat guard action failed, and neglected to consider that you might have been guarded? That seems strange to me.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Oh. Hang on. I've just thought of an alternative.


One of myself or Spite could have been guarded, or Galain could have been have been healed - so it's not for certain that Batman is in our little group at all.

Isn't this the sort of thing you'd think of straight away if an action you were expecting to work failed? Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened. Especially since what you were doing was a guard...

But I only have Galain's word that it failed...I wasn't informed myself.

Also, you say: "Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened" Yes, I agree completely. But I don't know why it failed. Which is why I'm looking at all possible explanations.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here? I didn't think about being blocked straight away because everyone was going on about me or Spite being Batman (and I learned it had failed within that context), so that's what I focused on. Don't you think that's just natural?

You need me to spell it out? If you were Batman, you'd know why it happened, so you wouldn't search for alternative explanations until later. You learned that a bat guard action failed, and neglected to consider that you might have been guarded? That seems strange to me.

Strange but true, as they say. No, it's actually not that strange. If you read over it all again, from where Galain is asked if he lost his BP, you'll see it was only talked about within the context of one of us becoming Batman. That's what I was responding to and that's what I was focusing on. And no one else thought of it either.

Although you've now made me think of something else.

It should be easy to solve if we were guarded or not. If anyone guarded me or Spite, or decided to heal Galain, please can you say so, so we don't waste our time looking in the wrong place for Batman.

If no one comes forward, we can be even more confident that Batman is one of me and Spite. And, in my case anyway, I can be almost completely certain that it's Spite

[Korbas]

Going to be gone all weekend. Will post from my phone when I can, but I have two (of my own) grad parties.

-please- do shit while I'm gone.

[Omtose]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Oh. Hang on. I've just thought of an alternative.


One of myself or Spite could have been guarded, or Galain could have been have been healed - so it's not for certain that Batman is in our little group at all.

Isn't this the sort of thing you'd think of straight away if an action you were expecting to work failed? Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened. Especially since what you were doing was a guard...

But I only have Galain's word that it failed...I wasn't informed myself.

Also, you say: "Someone who knew why the action failed wouldn't be thinking about alternative explanations because they already know how it happened" Yes, I agree completely. But I don't know why it failed. Which is why I'm looking at all possible explanations.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here? I didn't think about being blocked straight away because everyone was going on about me or Spite being Batman (and I learned it had failed within that context), so that's what I focused on. Don't you think that's just natural?

You need me to spell it out? If you were Batman, you'd know why it happened, so you wouldn't search for alternative explanations until later. You learned that a bat guard action failed, and neglected to consider that you might have been guarded? That seems strange to me.

You're right this does sound like a slip. The first thing that I would wonder if I put in an action was 'did it work' and if not 'why it failed'. Those questions never came up until I started asking them.

[Telas]

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

If Galain didn't get a notification that his BP was used up, then it's one of three things:

1) Either Spite or myself are now Batman.

2) Either Spite or myself changed our target at the last minute without telling you on thread.

3) Galain is now Batman.

With regards to nos. 1 and 2, I am not Batman, and neither did I change my target.

Vote Spite

This was my first reaction to the news. As you can see, I was looking at more than one possible explanation from the start - so that kind of throws Karosis' "certainty argument" out the window. I didn't go ZOMG Spite is Batman! Even one of my alternatives is nothing to do with Batman.

I can see why you're keen to latch on to anything I say though in hopes you can get Batty at first time of asking. I only ask that you give Spite a thorough grilling too when they happen to come on

[Omtose]

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

If Galain didn't get a notification that his BP was used up, then it's one of three things:

1) Either Spite or myself are now Batman.

2) Either Spite or myself changed our target at the last minute without telling you on thread.

3) Galain is now Batman.

With regards to nos. 1 and 2, I am not Batman, and neither did I change my target.

Vote Spite

This was my first reaction to the news. As you can see, I was looking at more than one possible explanation from the start - so that kind of throws Karosis' "certainty argument" out the window. I didn't go ZOMG Spite is Batman! Even one of my alternatives is nothing to do with Batman.

I can see why you're keen to latch on to anything I say though in hopes you can get Batty at first time of asking. I only ask that you give Spite a thorough grilling too when they happen to come on

Galain isn't out of this and if it turns out that neither you nor Spite are Batman, then we'll get him, and he should be sans BPs now.

If the others think that Spite is the more likely hop for Batman I am happy to change my vote over there, since I believe it has to be one of you. Choosing a successor about to get beaten by bats just makes no sense, especially since you'd know that they'd just get targetted again.

[Telas]

Omtose, on 08 June 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

If Galain didn't get a notification that his BP was used up, then it's one of three things:

1) Either Spite or myself are now Batman.

2) Either Spite or myself changed our target at the last minute without telling you on thread.

3) Galain is now Batman.

With regards to nos. 1 and 2, I am not Batman, and neither did I change my target.

Vote Spite

This was my first reaction to the news. As you can see, I was looking at more than one possible explanation from the start - so that kind of throws Karosis' "certainty argument" out the window. I didn't go ZOMG Spite is Batman! Even one of my alternatives is nothing to do with Batman.

I can see why you're keen to latch on to anything I say though in hopes you can get Batty at first time of asking. I only ask that you give Spite a thorough grilling too when they happen to come on

Galain isn't out of this and if it turns out that neither you nor Spite are Batman, then we'll get him, and he should be sans BPs now.

If the others think that Spite is the more likely hop for Batman I am happy to change my vote over there, since I believe it has to be one of you. Choosing a successor about to get beaten by bats just makes no sense, especially since you'd know that they'd just get targetted again.

I agree - I personally don't think it's Galain unless Starling really wasn't paying attention to anything other than his own impending lynch.

As I said, I won't be around tomorrow, so please, if you decide to go for me, don't lynch me in my absence. As I said, if it comes down to it, I can prove I'm not Batman.

See yas.

[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 08 June 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Vote Spite


hey people. Do you remember the post where I was angry, and I promised to follow someone and vig them in every game they play in? Who was that? I can't remember, and I have an assload of posts to look through.

I'm around, saw this whilst catching up. It was Atrahal because of letting day one go without a lynch. I got my gun but couldn't use it day two, I had to wait until day three. IF Eloth had perished by then I would've vigged Atrahal. I hate it when a day goes without a lynch especially in cult games. It seems we were of the same mind back then. I'm going to have a good read through the game to catch up whilst the other half is in the bath

[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 08 June 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

The ability to hide. Each time we catch him, it's a COMPLETE restart the next day. We have to look at every single person again, it doesn't matter if they've been cleared or not. Now the only persons we can check off are known cult leaders, of which there are none, and Liosan. But next life for batman, even Liosan has to be put back on the list. Its the perfect defense. No need for a BP.

What did I miss? Why is Liosan PI'd? Also do we not know of another CL? I'm not going to shout it out but wasn't there enough information earlier to reason it out?