[Telas]

The example of Omtose is a joke, by the way. ....for now

[Korbas]

Well there goes the Meanas is batman theory. I think we're gonna have to play with the basis that thyr and ts are town..

If one is batman, that would seriously blow.

I suppose we can try osseric. I'd like to hear from joker via public message that he still believes osseric is batman (he wants batman dead as much as us, id hope).

[Telas]

By the way Meanas/Gust if you're reading, please note that Korbas' plan is much more in keeping with the idea of 'cooperation' than yours ever was

[Telas]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Well there goes the Meanas is batman theory. I think we're gonna have to play with the basis that thyr and ts are town..

If one is batman, that would seriously blow.

I suppose we can try osseric. I'd like to hear from joker via public message that he still believes osseric is batman (he wants batman dead as much as us, id hope).

Why aren't you dead, by the way?

[Korbas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

We can carry on with Korbas' plan, just pick a different person.

So, for example:

OKAY, CULT LEADERS, WE'RE GOING TO LYNCH OFF OMTOSE AS A BATMAN SUSPECT UNLESS ONE OF YOU COMES THROUGH WITH A MESSAGE SAYING HE'S YOUR RECRUIT.

That kind of thing

Oh, hey, this is a good idea. We need to decide who to target early, though, if were doing this.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Thank fuck for that.

Gusty, I'm kinda shocked that was you.

But what the hell is Batman playing at? Seems he's too busy jerking off to pay attention and kill of a CL

Yeah yeah, could be the CLs protection things coming into play blah blah blah

Could also have been a guard or a heal from someone preventing the Batman from killing successfully, I suppose. I can't see any reason why Batman would kill Meanas, as it doesn't further his objectives at all. That leaves a vig as the most likely option, I'd have thought.





Anywho, I think Osseric has to be the first subject of attention today given all the question marks about him yesterday. It did sound very much like he was admitting to being the batman, although I do want to reread to prove to myself that he wasn't just asking the wrong questions. Unfortunately I'm about to head to bed, but I'll try and look into it when I get the chance tomorrow (which might not be for a while).

[Osseric]

GUST HUBB. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Gusty's a dead mother fucker, now.

[Korbas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Why aren't you dead, by the way?

He must not have actually tried to kill me. Just trying to freak me out, I guess.

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 07 June 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

OK, so, still reading up (slowly...I honestly doubt I'll ever get through the entirety, and there's not much point right now) but, where does this leave us?



The Joker obviously successfully recruited night one, and has now lost one. So at his best, if Eloth's double-recruit power is for all and the Joker used his night one (depending on clash), the Joker has 1/2?
Penguin has 2/3

PI has 2/3 depending on clash

Eloth-2F has (theoretically) only 1

So that's 8 recruits. Thankfully split four ways, of course. So the Cults are still a long way from pluarlity. But due to the difficutly inherent in our bringing them down, we really need to Batman hunt almost exclusively. So, pending reading up further...does that mean Osseric today? Or did that situation change as the day progressed? (I'm up to about where Amp/someone decides to ignore Eloth for the rest of the day)

I feel all i've been doing the last half an hour is catching up. Same this morning. I want to get active but I don't know where to jump in. Trying to filter out the spam is taking much skill. People say "hunt the Batman" like that is an easy fucking thing to do. IF we knew who the Batman was we'd lynch him. If we believe it to be Osseric then let's test that. Eloth has to be targetted by Batman at some point. If Eloth is still alive at tomorrow i'd be shocked. It'd be a bit boring trying to lynch Eloth for the third straight day and if that is what we decide to do then I wouldn't mind getting it over and done with in the first hour or so se we can move on. So for me, yeah go for Batman if there is a good case on him. Or lynch Eloth but do that quickly as we'll just be shooting the same shit on a different day.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Thank fuck for that.

Gusty, I'm kinda shocked that was you.

But what the hell is Batman playing at? Seems he's too busy jerking off to pay attention and kill of a CL

Yeah yeah, could be the CLs protection things coming into play blah blah blah

Could also have been a guard or a heal from someone preventing the Batman from killing successfully, I suppose. I can't see any reason why Batman would kill Meanas, as it doesn't further his objectives at all. That leaves a vig as the most likely option, I'd have thought.





Anywho, I think Osseric has to be the first subject of attention today given all the question marks about him yesterday. It did sound very much like he was admitting to being the batman, although I do want to reread to prove to myself that he wasn't just asking the wrong questions. Unfortunately I'm about to head to bed, but I'll try and look into it when I get the chance tomorrow (which might not be for a while).

Yeah, I wasn't saying that Batman killed Meanas, just wondering why Eloth wasn't dead

Osseric is currently no.1 suspect, but there's plenty of hours left.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Could also have been a guard or a heal from someone preventing the Batman from killing successfully, I suppose. I can't see any reason why Batman would kill Meanas, as it doesn't further his objectives at all. That leaves a vig as the most likely option, I'd have thought.

Ah, or he (Gusty) was guarded. Or I was healed. But that seems unlikely.

[Telas]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Why aren't you dead, by the way?

He must not have actually tried to kill me. Just trying to freak me out, I guess.

Sorry, I don't buy that. Not saying that you're hiding something - could have been a third thing entirely which prevented him from killing you - but well, you could be hiding something!

[Omtose]

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Thank fuck for that.

Gusty, I'm kinda shocked that was you.

But what the hell is Batman playing at? Seems he's too busy jerking off to pay attention and kill of a CL

Yeah yeah, could be the CLs protection things coming into play blah blah blah

Could also have been a guard or a heal from someone preventing the Batman from killing successfully, I suppose. I can't see any reason why Batman would kill Meanas, as it doesn't further his objectives at all. That leaves a vig as the most likely option, I'd have thought.





Anywho, I think Osseric has to be the first subject of attention today given all the question marks about him yesterday. It did sound very much like he was admitting to being the batman, although I do want to reread to prove to myself that he wasn't just asking the wrong questions. Unfortunately I'm about to head to bed, but I'll try and look into it when I get the chance tomorrow (which might not be for a while).

And if we're wrong? I still say we need a more sure target. If we lose a town after not getting a lynch for 2 days then we're fucked. Eloth or Amp maybe? I'd kind of like to know if Amp used his 'find' last night.

[Korbas]

No worries. Suspicion is understandable, considering all the power players seem to be protected in some way.

[Korbas]

Omtose, on 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

And if we're wrong? I still say we need a more sure target. If we lose a town after not getting a lynch for 2 days then we're fucked. Eloth or Amp maybe? I'd kind of like to know if Amp used his 'find' last night.

I think there are enough recruits/recruiters/batman at the moment that lynching town will be poor luck/play.

I don't think Eloth or Amp is a good idea simply because Eloth is a confirmed recruiter, and Amp is either a roled town, recruited roled town, or recruiter. No way he's batman, unless Batman is a finder who needs town to do his dirty work for him.

[Galain]

Meanas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 June 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 June 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

So since you are acknowledging my existence, do you agree or disagree with cooperation? Am I entirely unrealistic or off base, or are their just too many boneheaded hecklers who can't think up a better idea than lynching a LP.

The problem is, as it always has been, the lack of information. The issue, as I see it, is that town has no idea how many people have been recruited. You have said yourself that recruits get extra abilities of some kind when they get recruited. In addition, they have a leader to look to, who again has more information than town has. So even supposing town cooperates with the cults and manages to out Batman, there is nothing to stop the cultists from decimating town at night and emerging victorious.

Correct, which is why I was surprised at the hard line at the start of the game on thinking long term (I still admit I am wrong to the letter of the law, but I would have believed this without writing it in words). The cooperation I am talking about gives town a way to save face and move toward their VCs. It's a war of attrition, with town trying to be efficient enough to get rid of batman to have time to maintain pleurality. The way town is dicking around, this is growing less and less likely to happen. CLs need batman gone, but if we had moved fast enough such that cults still had small populations, they would start dwadling so as to give themselves more time to recruit. That's when town would need to pick up the slack. That would be one of the few viable town strategies that I could think of.

GENIUS. PURE GENIUS.


You don't think that maybe "town" is dicking around because, immediately as of day two, there were a lot more cultists - who don't benefit from the game ending soon-as? Cult benefits from a few more days. Add to that the fact that we have very few credible leads on who Batman actually is and it's no wonder town hasn't been miraculously focused, is it?



(Yes, I'm aware I'm talking to a dead man, but...)

[Karosis]

Omtose, on 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Thank fuck for that.

Gusty, I'm kinda shocked that was you.

But what the hell is Batman playing at? Seems he's too busy jerking off to pay attention and kill of a CL

Yeah yeah, could be the CLs protection things coming into play blah blah blah

Could also have been a guard or a heal from someone preventing the Batman from killing successfully, I suppose. I can't see any reason why Batman would kill Meanas, as it doesn't further his objectives at all. That leaves a vig as the most likely option, I'd have thought.





Anywho, I think Osseric has to be the first subject of attention today given all the question marks about him yesterday. It did sound very much like he was admitting to being the batman, although I do want to reread to prove to myself that he wasn't just asking the wrong questions. Unfortunately I'm about to head to bed, but I'll try and look into it when I get the chance tomorrow (which might not be for a while).

And if we're wrong? I still say we need a more sure target. If we lose a town after not getting a lynch for 2 days then we're fucked. Eloth or Amp maybe? I'd kind of like to know if Amp used his 'find' last night.

I don't think it makes any sense to continue down the 'Cult hunting' route right now. If the CLs have lynch-BPs, then that's an indication that the game is not designed for us to go after them (or at least, not at this moment). We get Batman to do that heavy lifting for us, while teaming up with the Cult to hunt him down. If the CLs are willing to cooperate, either via PS message or otherwise, then we should listen to see if they have information that's of use.

[Omtose]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

Omtose, on 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

And if we're wrong? I still say we need a more sure target. If we lose a town after not getting a lynch for 2 days then we're fucked. Eloth or Amp maybe? I'd kind of like to know if Amp used his 'find' last night.

I think there are enough recruits/recruiters/batman at the moment that lynching town will be poor luck/play.

I don't think Eloth or Amp is a good idea simply because Eloth is a confirmed recruiter, and Amp is either a roled town, recruited roled town, or recruiter. No way he's batman, unless Batman is a finder who needs town to do his dirty work for him.

I'd really like to see something more complete on Osseric before I lay my vote down there. Right now we're just going on behavior and the word of known scum. I'm willing to hold off voting till we hear/see more.

[Osseric]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Well there goes the Meanas is batman theory. I think we're gonna have to play with the basis that thyr and ts are town..

If one is batman, that would seriously blow.

I suppose we can try osseric. I'd like to hear from joker via public message that he still believes osseric is batman (he wants batman dead as much as us, id hope).

COMEDY GOLD.

[Korbas]

Omtose, on 07 June 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

I'd really like to see something more complete on Osseric before I lay my vote down there. Right now we're just going on behavior and the word of known scum. I'm willing to hold off voting till we hear/see more.

What I see against Osseric right now is simple.

1. Joker says he is Batman day 1.
2. Osseric gets flustered when Eloth taunts him about being batman.


2 is understandable, to me. Enough pestering and anyone can snap, innocence or guilt aside.

1 is the more curious. I'd like to hear from Joker again today. He wouldn't lead us down a wrong lynch at this point, he needs batman gone as much as we do.