[Karosis]

Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Okay, so there's been all kinds of shit flying around. There's a couple of things I want to put out there:

1 - Amp has said he has a find ability, Eloth has said that Amp is the Joker. If Amp is the Joker, and he has a find ability, the Day 1 broadcast where the Joker said that Osseric is Batman may very well be true. The fact that Osseric is basically going batshit at Eloth trying to find out who the 3rd CL is, when it very clearly would be bad for town AND the cults if BM found the 3rd CL right away, just makes me want to believe this more and more. This is my strongest belief at the moment, so I will

vote Osseric

2 - Everyone has been talking like they are sure what the Poison Ivy message says - that Poison Ivy and Joker know each other because they tried to recruit Karosis. I think this has been debunked seeing as Eloth has said he was the one who tried to recruit Karosis. So what is Poison Ivy trying to say to Joker? Does she have information about some other CL that she wanted to pass on? Maybe she was just trying to call a truce with Joker? Could they know who each other is? If so, how? The Joker's response was not very helpful in deciphering this... For now I'm going to think that they are just confirming a truce, which means they should both be jumping on the lynch Eloth train to get rid of him... So if we can't get a lynch on Batman (aka Osseric) today, I will be looking at whoever jumped on the Eloth train quickly to find Poison Ivy and/or The Joker. That means Omtose and Tulas and Osseric. Seeing as I believe that Osseric is Batman, that leaves Tulas and Omtose for Poison Ivy and/or the Joker.

2 - If Osseric is not Batman, I think we should be looking at Liosan. The only thing I can say about this at the moment is that Liosan popped up within about 20 minutes of the VIG post from PS yesterday, and that's one of like 6 posts he's made. He again popped up just as night resolved, and night took a while to resolve, I am assuming, because not all NAs were in yet, so they couldn't proceed until someone got their NAs in. If Liosan is not Batman, he could very well be one of the unconfirmed Cult Leaders.

Your points 1 and 2 are in direct contradiction with each other here. You say that it would clearly be bad if the 3rd CL was found, but then continue to speculate about where the CLs might be (see underlined sections). Why are you so willing to speculate openly on thread?

[Korbas]

Okay, caught up. I'm not voting until we here from Amp again.

[Rashan]

Anomandaris, on 06 June 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

So youre suggesting that amps find is day or night? I got the impression from his first post that mentioned it and the later one saying he changed it to Eloth that it was a night find. If that's the case then he couldn't have done it before he said Oss was BM during day 1, right?

I didn't really think of the whole Day Find or Night Find thing, but wasn't Amp saying yesterday that he had a find? Like, during the DAY yesterday? What if he has both?

Besides, I'm not basing my vote solely on that. Osseric is trying to out a 3rd CL on thread, which I really think would be bad for town as has been very clearly laid out by Telas. For now, I'm willing to try an Osseric lynch. If he's not BM, he certainly isn't town as he's trying to hurt town more than help it, no matter how much he tries to deny it.

[Rashan]

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Okay, so there's been all kinds of shit flying around. There's a couple of things I want to put out there:

1 - Amp has said he has a find ability, Eloth has said that Amp is the Joker. If Amp is the Joker, and he has a find ability, the Day 1 broadcast where the Joker said that Osseric is Batman may very well be true. The fact that Osseric is basically going batshit at Eloth trying to find out who the 3rd CL is, when it very clearly would be bad for town AND the cults if BM found the 3rd CL right away, just makes me want to believe this more and more. This is my strongest belief at the moment, so I will

vote Osseric

2 - Everyone has been talking like they are sure what the Poison Ivy message says - that Poison Ivy and Joker know each other because they tried to recruit Karosis. I think this has been debunked seeing as Eloth has said he was the one who tried to recruit Karosis. So what is Poison Ivy trying to say to Joker? Does she have information about some other CL that she wanted to pass on? Maybe she was just trying to call a truce with Joker? Could they know who each other is? If so, how? The Joker's response was not very helpful in deciphering this... For now I'm going to think that they are just confirming a truce, which means they should both be jumping on the lynch Eloth train to get rid of him... So if we can't get a lynch on Batman (aka Osseric) today, I will be looking at whoever jumped on the Eloth train quickly to find Poison Ivy and/or The Joker. That means Omtose and Tulas and Osseric. Seeing as I believe that Osseric is Batman, that leaves Tulas and Omtose for Poison Ivy and/or the Joker.

2 - If Osseric is not Batman, I think we should be looking at Liosan. The only thing I can say about this at the moment is that Liosan popped up within about 20 minutes of the VIG post from PS yesterday, and that's one of like 6 posts he's made. He again popped up just as night resolved, and night took a while to resolve, I am assuming, because not all NAs were in yet, so they couldn't proceed until someone got their NAs in. If Liosan is not Batman, he could very well be one of the unconfirmed Cult Leaders.

Your points 1 and 2 are in direct contradiction with each other here. You say that it would clearly be bad if the 3rd CL was found, but then continue to speculate about where the CLs might be (see underlined sections). Why are you so willing to speculate openly on thread?

Gah, that's what I get for not proofreading properly. I was simply trying to put the ideas that popped into my head while I was catching up all into one post. My second point is just my musing out loud, and you're right, I should not have been speculating so openly given the dangers of finding a third CL. I was simply thinking that if Eloth is lying about who the Joker is, then the Osseric is Batman thing could be wrong, which would mean Joker is still hiding somewhere. Though I don't think Eloth was lying, I wanted to put that out there right away so that if Amp denies being Joker, we could have someone else to look at.

[Telas]

@ Rashan:

Ampelas may not have a find ability at all, if we take as truth what Eloth has said. That is, the only reason Ampelas knows of Eloth is because they both tried to recruit Karosis, and therefore found out about each other. Essentially, the recruiting mechanic works like a find.

[Telas]

@ Korbas:

Am I to understand you have a guard then? If so, if you target Eloth, then we can lynch Osseric safe in the knowledge that Eloth won't be able to recruit at night.

Edit: Which just leaves Ampelas free to wonder around if he is the Joker Another guard out there?

Edit 2: Not that I'm asking for yet another reveal!

Edit 3: Actual real edit - changed 'that' to 'then'.

This post has been edited by Telas: 06 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

[Anthras]

Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Okay, so there's been all kinds of shit flying around. There's a couple of things I want to put out there:

1 - Amp has said he has a find ability, Eloth has said that Amp is the Joker. If Amp is the Joker, and he has a find ability, the Day 1 broadcast where the Joker said that Osseric is Batman may very well be true. The fact that Osseric is basically going batshit at Eloth trying to find out who the 3rd CL is, when it very clearly would be bad for town AND the cults if BM found the 3rd CL right away, just makes me want to believe this more and more. This is my strongest belief at the moment, so I will

vote Osseric

2 - Everyone has been talking like they are sure what the Poison Ivy message says - that Poison Ivy and Joker know each other because they tried to recruit Karosis. I think this has been debunked seeing as Eloth has said he was the one who tried to recruit Karosis. So what is Poison Ivy trying to say to Joker? Does she have information about some other CL that she wanted to pass on? Maybe she was just trying to call a truce with Joker? Could they know who each other is? If so, how? The Joker's response was not very helpful in deciphering this... For now I'm going to think that they are just confirming a truce, which means they should both be jumping on the lynch Eloth train to get rid of him... So if we can't get a lynch on Batman (aka Osseric) today, I will be looking at whoever jumped on the Eloth train quickly to find Poison Ivy and/or The Joker. That means Omtose and Tulas and Osseric. Seeing as I believe that Osseric is Batman, that leaves Tulas and Omtose for Poison Ivy and/or the Joker.

2 - If Osseric is not Batman, I think we should be looking at Liosan. The only thing I can say about this at the moment is that Liosan popped up within about 20 minutes of the VIG post from PS yesterday, and that's one of like 6 posts he's made. He again popped up just as night resolved, and night took a while to resolve, I am assuming, because not all NAs were in yet, so they couldn't proceed until someone got their NAs in. If Liosan is not Batman, he could very well be one of the unconfirmed Cult Leaders.

If amp is the joker and he actually has a find ability that he used last night on Eloth then the only way that I can see the Joker knowing who Batman is if he started off with the knowledge of who the Batman is (in the comics he figures it out of course this game is based on the games so their will be slight divergences between the two). Now you could be implying that the Joker (and this is something that I could see possible) has a batman only day find. I.e. He could be able to do finds on people after the batman has jumped to see find the new batman. That would be the only day find that I could see in play this game.
I think that there is a very strong probability that the CL leaders can't directly kill each other off.

[Ampelas]

Good morning all. I'm here and catching up (looks like there's a lot to read!)

[Korbas]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

@ Korbas:

Am I to understand you have a guard then? If so, if you target Eloth, then we can lynch Osseric safe in the knowledge that Eloth won't be able to recruit at night.

Edit: Which just leaves Ampelas free to wonder around if he is the Joker Another guard out there?

Edit 2: Not that I'm asking for yet another reveal!

Edit 3: Actual real edit - changed 'that' to 'then'.

No, I'm RI. I was saying I hoped they picked guards, it would be retarded not to in this game.

Also, I just thought of something. Remind me to tell ya'll why meanas is lying about something once I get to my computer. His earlier posts contradict these ones

[Telas]

Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

No, I'm RI. I was saying I hoped they picked guards, it would be retarded not to in this game.

Also, I just thought of something. Remind me to tell ya'll why meanas is lying about something once I get to my computer. His earlier posts contradict these ones

Righto.

Korbas, can you remember to tell us about why Meanas is lying?

[Telas]

Ampelas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Good morning all. I'm here and catching up (looks like there's a lot to read!)

You might say that.

[Eloth]

Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

@ Eloth

A non-reveal others question: Do you have any killing powers available to you? I.e. do you have to manipulate town into lynching the right choice (i.e. Batman) or can you take him out yourself?

I can vig a limited number of times. However, I know my own protective measures and they're quite rough to deal with. In all honesty, I doubt town can kill me without a very concerted effortn or other CLs lending a hand. The same is probably true for Amp - otherwise, why would he risk being counter-outed by revealing me?
I expect Batman to be able to, though - if he has to weigh up against 4 of us, then he's a walking arsenal.
I also expect BM to be better protected than I am, especially against kills. You're going to need 3-5 of those is my expectation, spread over several adjacent phases.

If you can vig (night or day?) Please vig thyr.

I am not here to do you any favors, though, so give me a reason. And anyway, if you think he is Batman: a vig is not going to do much good on that front, as I already explained.

[Omtose]

Meanas, on 06 June 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

After an extensive reread i can see why people would vote for him, especially on Day 1. So,

Vote Eloth

Meanas doesn't strike me as a Recruiter, if anything he's a new player, and Eloth appears to be the current favourite for a lynch, so i'll just tag along. 'tis Day 1 after all.

bout sums up Liosan. Tagging along. not really the most active player, but does vote. A candidate for BM in my opinion, however, I can't get a read on him with this few posts. Maybe a little extra encouragement

Vote Liosan

Question for Meanas.. Now that you are out of the closet, was Liosan just random? I've noticed your vote is still on him.

[Rashan]

Omtose, on 06 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 June 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

After an extensive reread i can see why people would vote for him, especially on Day 1. So,

Vote Eloth

Meanas doesn't strike me as a Recruiter, if anything he's a new player, and Eloth appears to be the current favourite for a lynch, so i'll just tag along. 'tis Day 1 after all.

bout sums up Liosan. Tagging along. not really the most active player, but does vote. A candidate for BM in my opinion, however, I can't get a read on him with this few posts. Maybe a little extra encouragement

Vote Liosan

Question for Meanas.. Now that you are out of the closet, was Liosan just random? I've noticed your vote is still on him.

Even if it was a random vote, I don't think we should discount Liosan as a Batman suspect, for reasons stated upthread by myself.

[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 06 June 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Quick thought: if there are some NKs floating around, it might be good if they had a chance to target the Batman with them. It might be able to take off some of his lives that way while we know who he is. If it's Osseric, then targetting the Batman at night seems like a good thing, and if Osseric is just a recruited player then we find that out too.

In the meantime, we can lynch Eloth. There's no point believing anything she says that can't be corroborated, and especially not about being difficult to lynch - pretty sure that's just a smokescreen to try and keep herself alive. From a game design point of view, there's no way the cult leaders would get a lynch BP - we're going to have enough trouble trying to kill the batman 4 times!

Vote Eloth

I can see where you're coming from. Eloth said that as two-face he has an assload of defensive abilities to protect him. So even if batman did target him (and maybe he already has?) he may not be able to kill him straight off the bat with one vig. On the other hand, if we can lynch him in one fell swoop then I dont see any good reason not too. It'll at least hook us up with some info via the cf. May even give us another townsfolk or two if he is lying about having no recruits (if this is how it works, did anyone ever confirm that?). The rest of my day will be rather busy but I will try to check in every now and again. For now I think that Karosis is continuing to bring up good, logical points and seems to be town.

Remove Vote


Vote Eloth

Reading comprehension failure much?
I already said I am not going to die of a lynch alone.
In fact, to reiterate what I already said, you're going to need a lynch and Batman and/or one of my fellow cultists to get rid of me. Or just Batman, who will take about a day/night cycle to saw his way through everything I have in the way of defenses.

BUT CLEARLY, YOU RATHER PUT YOUR FINGERS IN YOUR EARS, GIVING BATMAN A TEMPO ADVANTAGE BY DOING THE DAY KILLING FOR HIM.
EVER CONSIDERED THAT HE MAY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF DAY KILLS, AND THAT EXHAUSTING THOSE WILL BE A VERY, VERY GOOD STRATEGY?

Clearly, you haven't. Amateur.

[Ampelas]

What? I'm the Joker and I recruited/tried to recruit Eloth, Meanas AND Karosis somehow?

This is just getting ridiculous. I expected Eloth to try and weasel out of this as much as possible - he can hardly do anything else, and yesterday proved he can do a good job of it. So it's not surprise that he takes the CL reveal mechanics from the OP to try and paint me as a CL, too to try and push the pressure away. Fine, I can't blame anyone for considering the option, and it's nothing but my word against his (No, I am not the Joker or any other CL, I'm just a finder). But now people are listening to him talk about every CL having a DOUBLE RECRUIT ability... and they're BELIEVING HIM?! About an ability that could take town from 17 to 9 players in a single night? Plus kills from BM and the vigs (plural!) that Eloth is ALSO claiming... this is a scenario where town is cut to less than half its starting members by DAY 2. Absolutely ridiculous, and that's not even with consideration that if Eloth has vigs (PLURAL!) that means the other CLs have vigs (FUCKING PLURAL) too?!

Ridiculous as shit.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

@ Rashan:

Ampelas may not have a find ability at all, if we take as truth what Eloth has said. That is, the only reason Ampelas knows of Eloth is because they both tried to recruit Karosis, and therefore found out about each other. Essentially, the recruiting mechanic works like a find.

Actually, I never quite said that. I said I got to know Ampelas = The Joker (and he got to know Eloth = Two-Face) because I tried to recruit Ampelas.
I also tried to recruit Karosis, but that failed because there were two recruits taking place there - as Karosis will confirm. Whomever I clashed with, I am not saying.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

What? I'm the Joker and I recruited/tried to recruit Eloth, Meanas AND Karosis somehow?

This is just getting ridiculous. I expected Eloth to try and weasel out of this as much as possible - he can hardly do anything else, and yesterday proved he can do a good job of it. So it's not surprise that he takes the CL reveal mechanics from the OP to try and paint me as a CL, too to try and push the pressure away. Fine, I can't blame anyone for considering the option, and it's nothing but my word against his (No, I am not the Joker or any other CL, I'm just a finder). But now people are listening to him talk about every CL having a DOUBLE RECRUIT ability... and they're BELIEVING HIM?! About an ability that could take town from 17 to 9 players in a single night? Plus kills from BM and the vigs (plural!) that Eloth is ALSO claiming... this is a scenario where town is cut to less than half its starting members by DAY 2. Absolutely ridiculous, and that's not even with consideration that if Eloth has vigs (PLURAL!) that means the other CLs have vigs (FUCKING PLURAL) too?!

Ridiculous as shit.

It is about as far fetched as the Joker arming his goons, like Meanas claims happened to him. There's most certainly nothing in my PM that suggests that. I think we all have a few different powers.
Now, of course you have to lie. You can't just step out and say you are the Joker. But please, try something better than this. I'm losing respect for you.

[Omtose]

Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

@ Rashan:

Ampelas may not have a find ability at all, if we take as truth what Eloth has said. That is, the only reason Ampelas knows of Eloth is because they both tried to recruit Karosis, and therefore found out about each other. Essentially, the recruiting mechanic works like a find.

Actually, I never quite said that. I said I got to know Ampelas = The Joker (and he got to know Eloth = Two-Face) because I tried to recruit Ampelas.
I also tried to recruit Karosis, but that failed because there were two recruits taking place there - as Karosis will confirm. Whomever I clashed with, I am not saying.

Now this makes sense if he clashed with Poison Ivy and she's trying to tell Joker that she knows something. Which came out first Poison Ivy's date request or Amp's finder reveal?

[Eloth]

As for multiple vigs: I menioned I had between 0 and 3. And no, they're not unreasonable. We already saw SL shot. Besides, at some point, there's going to be no town anymore. We will still have to take down Batman. A couple of kills make sense then.