[Omtose]

Ok, I think its pretty suspicious that the Osseric train is building up faster than the Eloth one despite the fact that we have a confirmed CL. I'm thinking that Eloth did get a recruit and one of them is on that train with him. The only option that makes sense is for us is to take out a confirmed CL, then lynch either Amp or Osseric next to test the other two theories.

[Atrahal]

We have a confirmed CL. So why would BM not take him out? If we go for Eloth, we waste a lynch if BM goes for the only known target that is part of his VC. My money would be on going for Osseric and waiting to see if BM targets Eloth tonight.



Vote Osseric

[Karosis]

Quick thought: if there are some NKs floating around, it might be good if they had a chance to target the Batman with them. It might be able to take off some of his lives that way while we know who he is. If it's Osseric, then targetting the Batman at night seems like a good thing, and if Osseric is just a recruited player then we find that out too.

In the meantime, we can lynch Eloth. There's no point believing anything she says that can't be corroborated, and especially not about being difficult to lynch - pretty sure that's just a smokescreen to try and keep herself alive. From a game design point of view, there's no way the cult leaders would get a lynch BP - we're going to have enough trouble trying to kill the batman 4 times!

Vote Eloth

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 17 hours and 53 minutes left.

21 players remaining alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

it takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 go to night.

1 vote for Liosan (Meanas)
4 vote for Eloth (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric, Karosis)
5 vote for Osseric (Eloth, Thyrllan, Korvalain, Anomandaris, Atrahal)

The Following people have not voted:
Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Rashan, Spite, Telan

-Liz

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 June 2012 - 02:07 PM

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Quick thought: if there are some NKs floating around, it might be good if they had a chance to target the Batman with them. It might be able to take off some of his lives that way while we know who he is. If it's Osseric, then targetting the Batman at night seems like a good thing, and if Osseric is just a recruited player then we find that out too.

In the meantime, we can lynch Eloth. There's no point believing anything she says that can't be corroborated, and especially not about being difficult to lynch - pretty sure that's just a smokescreen to try and keep herself alive. From a game design point of view, there's no way the cult leaders would get a lynch BP - we're going to have enough trouble trying to kill the batman 4 times!

Vote Eloth

Ah, pauvre idiot.

[Emurlahn]

I'm almost on page 19, but for now.

Vote Atrahal

How is a no lynch good for us? In any way, shape or form? Bullshit, a no lynch benefits Cult Leaders and that is all. How can you be sure Eloth wasn't the bad guy?

Fuckers. No fucking lynch yet you had the means to do it.

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on 06 June 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I'm almost on page 19, but for now.

Vote Atrahal

How is a no lynch good for us? In any way, shape or form? Bullshit, a no lynch benefits Cult Leaders and that is all. How can you be sure Eloth wasn't the bad guy?

Fuckers. No fucking lynch yet you had the means to do it.

Only on page 19? Read on...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 17 hours and 35 minutes left.

21 players remaining alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

it takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 go to night.

1 vote for Liosan (Meanas)
4 vote for Eloth (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric, Karosis)
5 vote for Osseric (Eloth, Thyrllan, Korvalain, Anomandaris, Atrahal)
1 vote for Atrahal (Emurlahn)

The Following people have not voted:
Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Rashan, Spite, Telan

-Liz

[Anthras]

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

OK, so given the way Osseric has been playing the last few pages, there are only two options as I see it:

1) Osseric is Batman, and has given up hope of remaining undercover.
2) Osseric has been recruited by Eloth, and is throwing himself in front of a bus to protect Two-Face.

We should be mindful of both possibilities. I'm leaning towards the first, but I just don't quite see how this could have been known by the cult leaders since Day 1. Is it possible that the "Osseric is the Batman" messages were in fact orders to get Osseric to do this sort of thing? It would require a lot of foresight if Osseric was not a cult player from Day 1 though...

The Osseric is batman messages were from the joker so I doubt that he would be throwing himself under the bus for two face.

[Korbas]

Meanas, on 06 June 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Ok, let's make this even more fun. I was Joker's recruit last night, and was given a pile of weapons to chose from, some of which guard, some of which kill, some of which could protect me. I could chose one weapon (I'm not telling you which), which means I am now roled.

If you believe I am the only one who had this choice, put your DUNCE cap on and do a jig right here right now. Shit's about to go down this night. We could easily see the elimination of two CLs in the night, and BM is going to take more time to kill since he hops from person to person. If we are lucky and the rules stipulate that BM can be lynched, then nightkilled all in one cycle, we could finish him in 2 cycles, but that is so unlikely it's laughable. And I don't trust everyone with these new powers to avoid knocking off the other two CLs and giving BM the game.

Think about it. We are about to see a shit storm of kills/guards/deflections. To trust it all to random chance is stupid when we have an opportunity to take the game by the balls and squeeze out BM. If we survive long enough, more than 1 of us may win.

Hahahahaha. I hope you picked guard.

Fyi, any other guards out there.. just guard the recruiters.

[Korbas]

Osseric, on 06 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I really like how you say you do not like me, Meanas, then say it's because you don't think I'm town, then reveal you are a Joker recruit. No wonder. It makes Thyr suspicios as well.

Thyr is unhelpful so far. If we're random lynching for batman today, he seems a good idea.

[Korbas]

Thyrllan, on 06 June 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

I can't help but feel that this game is looking like a good example of how not to play Mafia

I don't understand why Meanas would reveal. And I'm confused, which exactly which two cult leaders have been discovered? Eloth is two face and Amp is?

Bewilderment is a very cool word.

Lol. Thyr is batman.

[Emurlahn]

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

I prefer at least one recruiter down. Batman may take out another but he'd need to find two more. IF BM is Osseric we can lynch him tomorrow and someone can do a find on him tonight

[Emurlahn]

I'm out for the next few hours, 8 or so. Back after that :-)

[Korbas]

Thyrllan, on 06 June 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

You have a point.

But then there's that message from the Joker saying that Osseric is BM, unless I'm mistaken? (which is possible keep up with thread is currently a nightmare for me)

Can you please continue reminding us every 30 seconds that you are a low poster? It is much appreciated

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2, 17 hours and 12 minutes left.

21 players remaining alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

it takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 go to night.

1 vote for Liosan (Meanas)
5 vote for Eloth (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric, Karosis, Emurlahn)
5 vote for Osseric (Eloth, Thyrllan, Korvalain, Anomandaris, Atrahal)


The Following people have not voted:
Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Rashan, Spite, Telan

-Liz

[Korbas]

Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

@ Eloth

A non-reveal others question: Do you have any killing powers available to you? I.e. do you have to manipulate town into lynching the right choice (i.e. Batman) or can you take him out yourself?

I can vig a limited number of times. However, I know my own protective measures and they're quite rough to deal with. In all honesty, I doubt town can kill me without a very concerted effortn or other CLs lending a hand. The same is probably true for Amp - otherwise, why would he risk being counter-outed by revealing me?
I expect Batman to be able to, though - if he has to weigh up against 4 of us, then he's a walking arsenal.
I also expect BM to be better protected than I am, especially against kills. You're going to need 3-5 of those is my expectation, spread over several adjacent phases.

If you can vig (night or day?) Please vig thyr.

[Anomandaris]

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Quick thought: if there are some NKs floating around, it might be good if they had a chance to target the Batman with them. It might be able to take off some of his lives that way while we know who he is. If it's Osseric, then targetting the Batman at night seems like a good thing, and if Osseric is just a recruited player then we find that out too.

In the meantime, we can lynch Eloth. There's no point believing anything she says that can't be corroborated, and especially not about being difficult to lynch - pretty sure that's just a smokescreen to try and keep herself alive. From a game design point of view, there's no way the cult leaders would get a lynch BP - we're going to have enough trouble trying to kill the batman 4 times!

Vote Eloth

I can see where you're coming from. Eloth said that as two-face he has an assload of defensive abilities to protect him. So even if batman did target him (and maybe he already has?) he may not be able to kill him straight off the bat with one vig. On the other hand, if we can lynch him in one fell swoop then I dont see any good reason not too. It'll at least hook us up with some info via the cf. May even give us another townsfolk or two if he is lying about having no recruits (if this is how it works, did anyone ever confirm that?). The rest of my day will be rather busy but I will try to check in every now and again. For now I think that Karosis is continuing to bring up good, logical points and seems to be town.

Remove Vote


Vote Eloth

[Rashan]

Okay, so there's been all kinds of shit flying around. There's a couple of things I want to put out there:

1 - Amp has said he has a find ability, Eloth has said that Amp is the Joker. If Amp is the Joker, and he has a find ability, the Day 1 broadcast where the Joker said that Osseric is Batman may very well be true. The fact that Osseric is basically going batshit at Eloth trying to find out who the 3rd CL is, when it very clearly would be bad for town AND the cults if BM found the 3rd CL right away, just makes me want to believe this more and more. This is my strongest belief at the moment, so I will

vote Osseric

2 - Everyone has been talking like they are sure what the Poison Ivy message says - that Poison Ivy and Joker know each other because they tried to recruit Karosis. I think this has been debunked seeing as Eloth has said he was the one who tried to recruit Karosis. So what is Poison Ivy trying to say to Joker? Does she have information about some other CL that she wanted to pass on? Maybe she was just trying to call a truce with Joker? Could they know who each other is? If so, how? The Joker's response was not very helpful in deciphering this... For now I'm going to think that they are just confirming a truce, which means they should both be jumping on the lynch Eloth train to get rid of him... So if we can't get a lynch on Batman (aka Osseric) today, I will be looking at whoever jumped on the Eloth train quickly to find Poison Ivy and/or The Joker. That means Omtose and Tulas and Osseric. Seeing as I believe that Osseric is Batman, that leaves Tulas and Omtose for Poison Ivy and/or the Joker.

2 - If Osseric is not Batman, I think we should be looking at Liosan. The only thing I can say about this at the moment is that Liosan popped up within about 20 minutes of the VIG post from PS yesterday, and that's one of like 6 posts he's made. He again popped up just as night resolved, and night took a while to resolve, I am assuming, because not all NAs were in yet, so they couldn't proceed until someone got their NAs in. If Liosan is not Batman, he could very well be one of the unconfirmed Cult Leaders.

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Okay, so there's been all kinds of shit flying around. There's a couple of things I want to put out there:

1 - Amp has said he has a find ability, Eloth has said that Amp is the Joker. If Amp is the Joker, and he has a find ability, the Day 1 broadcast where the Joker said that Osseric is Batman may very well be true. The fact that Osseric is basically going batshit at Eloth trying to find out who the 3rd CL is, when it very clearly would be bad for town AND the cults if BM found the 3rd CL right away, just makes me want to believe this more and more. This is my strongest belief at the moment, so I will

vote Osseric

2 - Everyone has been talking like they are sure what the Poison Ivy message says - that Poison Ivy and Joker know each other because they tried to recruit Karosis. I think this has been debunked seeing as Eloth has said he was the one who tried to recruit Karosis. So what is Poison Ivy trying to say to Joker? Does she have information about some other CL that she wanted to pass on? Maybe she was just trying to call a truce with Joker? Could they know who each other is? If so, how? The Joker's response was not very helpful in deciphering this... For now I'm going to think that they are just confirming a truce, which means they should both be jumping on the lynch Eloth train to get rid of him... So if we can't get a lynch on Batman (aka Osseric) today, I will be looking at whoever jumped on the Eloth train quickly to find Poison Ivy and/or The Joker. That means Omtose and Tulas and Osseric. Seeing as I believe that Osseric is Batman, that leaves Tulas and Omtose for Poison Ivy and/or the Joker.

2 - If Osseric is not Batman, I think we should be looking at Liosan. The only thing I can say about this at the moment is that Liosan popped up within about 20 minutes of the VIG post from PS yesterday, and that's one of like 6 posts he's made. He again popped up just as night resolved, and night took a while to resolve, I am assuming, because not all NAs were in yet, so they couldn't proceed until someone got their NAs in. If Liosan is not Batman, he could very well be one of the unconfirmed Cult Leaders.

So youre suggesting that amps find is day or night? I got the impression from his first post that mentioned it and the later one saying he changed it to Eloth that it was a night find. If that's the case then he couldn't have done it before he said Oss was BM during day 1, right?