[Ampelas]

Right, I am heading off to bed. I will be back before time out. However, I'm going to put a vote down. I think Korbas has been lurking around the margins all game, trying to look like he is contributing without committing to anything concrete.

Vote Korbas.

[Rashan]

Sorry all I had a pretty busy weekend. I'll be back the next several hours but then I get on a plane which may or may not have wifi.

I've read through the posts and frankly I'm afraid to follow Ano and Telas anywhere. I believe at the very least one of those two is scum and I'm afraid we'll hit town if we lynch Korbas.

[Rashan]

D, on 28 May 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

That's some brilliant stuff. Mafia related musing, but of course game related immediacy as well.


You forgot one scum move on your list though Ano. "Scum make lists."


Through all this, I can't help but get an idea that there is an Ano/Telas connection, or an Ampelas/Korbas connection, which makes me inclinded to lynch one person from one of the pairs and if that doesn't work, lynch one from the other pair.


Where'd Rashan disappear to, anyways? Once things moved away from him he shut up...

Has Ano even voted for Telas or vice versa? From what I've seen the two of them have worked to pull heat off of eachother.

Amp and Korbas seem happy to throw votes down on eachother but they never stay there.

[Thyrllan]

Still sticking Telas on this one

[Galain]

Ugh, i do apologize for my lack of participation guys, it's just that there's some shit going on in real life etcetera. SO, here comes another of my one or two-liners. I hope i can contribute more one of these days!
I've seen some pretty valid arguments against Telas, and he did display some weird behaviour i wouldn't exactly call "Townie" behaviour, so i'm just going to throw my vote on his train and see where it'll go.

Once again, i'm sorry guys.

Vote Telas

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. There are 11 hours and 21 minutes left in the day.

There are 9 players left: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Rashan, Telas, Thyrllan

5 votes required for a lynch, 5 to go to night.

4 votes Telas (Korbas, Thyrllan, Rashan, Galain)
3 votes Korbas (Anomandaris, Telas, Ampelas)

Players not voting: D'riss, Fener

[D'riss]

With the hours that are left (a little over 10 hours yet) I'm going to remain non-committal because I'm still leaning Telas, but I'm not going to hammer this early.

I too, will be off line for the next several hours, but I will absolutely be back in time for time out.

[Telas]

It's a shame you guys are going to be down two more townies by tomorrow.

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on 28 May 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

D, on 28 May 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

That's some brilliant stuff. Mafia related musing, but of course game related immediacy as well.


You forgot one scum move on your list though Ano. "Scum make lists."


Through all this, I can't help but get an idea that there is an Ano/Telas connection, or an Ampelas/Korbas connection, which makes me inclinded to lynch one person from one of the pairs and if that doesn't work, lynch one from the other pair.


Where'd Rashan disappear to, anyways? Once things moved away from him he shut up...

Has Ano even voted for Telas or vice versa? From what I've seen the two of them have worked to pull heat off of eachother.

Amp and Korbas seem happy to throw votes down on eachother but they never stay there.

I have never voted for Telas, though he has voted for me. You know, you bring this up, and now Telas is starting to rankle at me. First time he voted for my suspect, Amp, I was flattered. This second time he's trailed me like a puppy, I'm starting to wonder at his intentions. However, one must note that Telas is atm on the brink of being lynched, so maybe he's redirecting.

But my problem is this: if we lynch Telas, I am becoming entangled with his character and will probably be brought down should he come out scum. If he comes out inno, it may strengthen my position a little (people very rarely give out PIs), but I am still under scrutiny, as it should be I may add.

So let me think this out loud. We have 9 players left. We lynch today and wind up with 5 town and 2 scum WCS. One more mistake and town is at D-day (right?) with 3 town vs 2 scum.

Now if we succeed in nailing scum the numbers are 6 town to 1 scum. We lynch town that day and it is 3 town to 1 scum. D-day right? Cause if we miss, then it's 1 to 1 and scum wins.

So the timeline doesn't change anymore. We are locked into D-day in 2 days. However, let's say Telas is scum. We lynch today and then all the wrath of town comes down on me as the partner. Wasted day. And then comes D-day.

This would be very clever if scum figured this out. I dunno though, as I said, I really really really don't want to waste a vote on someone I'm not convinced is scum. Give me a sec to review Telas one last time.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Okay, so Sheltatha is annoying, and I would certainly jump on a Sheltatha lynch train. She has been trying to make it pretty clear that she's a Roleless Innocent, and I remember when I was reading through the last game where Serc was doing basically the same thing, I thought to myself that it would be a very interesting way to hide, in plain sight as it were. If I wanted to hide being a killer, I'd do the opposite of what everyone thinks a killer should do, and that means low posting and such.

Anyway, seeing as the train seems to be heading Tulas' way, I will throw my vote there. I agree that it's suspicious that he thought Sheltatha's posts made sense.

vote Tulas

If Telas is killer, this will be his play style. Telas is also currently supporting the direction of the lynch train, agreeing that there is some validity to it's target, but still endorsing a lynch of Shelly.

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

I'm not dicking around I'm playing seriously and you are the one not taking me seriously. Why you wouldn't when I caught a killer I don't know. Now if you are the healer Galain like I know you are then you will know to heal me tonight because the killers know I'm their biggest threat and the second killer is guaranteed to try and target me so you should heal me because I'm really useful to team inno, plus I want to survive for as long as possible hahahahaha.

PS made it abundantly clear that there is no healer. There are 10 Roleless Innocents (that means no ROLE) and 2 Killers. Heck, he even posted the PM descriptions that he sent through. You're just trying to obscure and confuse, and I'm not falling for it!

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Now does no one else find this STRANGE?!?!?!?! Telas and Karosis weren't around at all and now they are around within minutes of each other. I think I've just found the one person in two alts which is definitely in this game because ST is really clever and intelligent and probably really handsome like that and I know he would put in a twist like this, because normal mafia is probably just a little too easy for me so he thought he would up the stakes a little.

But seriously Telas/Karosis, you are not really playing that well because it is obvious that you are one person in two alts. But if you stick with me I can try and give you some pointers but first you've got to tell me your plan - are you some kind of independent role???

You ever stop to think maybe we're just in or around the same time zone? There are 12 players, and 12 alts, so no one with double alts. Again, that was made pretty clear, and you're just trying to confuse everyone.

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Okay, so Sheltatha is annoying, and I would certainly jump on a Sheltatha lynch train. She has been trying to make it pretty clear that she's a Roleless Innocent, and I remember when I was reading through the last game where Serc was doing basically the same thing, I thought to myself that it would be a very interesting way to hide, in plain sight as it were. If I wanted to hide being a killer, I'd do the opposite of what everyone thinks a killer should do, and that means low posting and such.

Anyway, seeing as the train seems to be heading Tulas' way, I will throw my vote there. I agree that it's suspicious that he thought Sheltatha's posts made sense.

vote Tulas

I think it's really suspicious how you've put your vote on Tulas even though Tulas is for sure a killer. And why haven't you voted with the Karosis alt yet as well? It's too late to try and distinguish them now because we all know you are one person as I pointed out already. But seriously you look like you are just jumping on a train and I reckon this means there are actually THREE KILLERS, only one killer has two alts, so the killers are Tulas, Telas, and Karosis.

If Tulas is for sure a killer, then it would be good for me to vote for him. That being said, the more I read your crap, the more I think you're a killer Sheltatha. Why do you keep insisting there are roles that don't exist? Why do you keep trying to confuse everyone? I think you're just trying to throw everyone off, and I don't like it one bit!

I will be keeping an eye on the thread, if we can manage to redirect the lynch train to Sheltatha instead of Tulas, I'll move my vote, but in the interest of lynching someone today, I'll leave my vote on Tulas for now.

This is essentially what Telas does all day 1. He wants to be in on the lynch, but he isn't going to give up pushing a Shelly lynch.

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I will jump on the Shelly lynch train, hopefully help it pick up some steam. Reasons are quoted in my previous post!

remove vote
vote Sheltatha Lore

Typically considered a "scummy" move. Seems like Telas doesn't want TS lynched and will even vote on a non-existent lynch train to try rescuing him.

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Rashan, on 22 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Oh no! Everyone who votes for Shelly just fell into his latest trap...... just kidding. Until I hear more from Tulas I'm leaning toward sticking with him, but if he can convince me of his innocence, then I may also hop aboard the SL express.

I agree, Tulas still needs looking at. I may change that way depending on what he has to say. At the moment I can see lazy townie that just grasped at a reason for a Day 1 vote. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he CFs scum. I think we may still be looking for a low poster that is trying to skate by, but I think its entirely possible that a killer could be trying to hide in plain site like Shelly is. All of our recent talk about avoiding voting for annoying posters could easily work in someone's favor.

Agreed, I will also move my vote over to Tulas if we can't get the Shelly lynch train running, but for now I'm going to stick with Shelly. I just don't trust her and her sneaky ways!

Interesting to point out, same exact line used on Rashan later in the game...

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

C'mon everyone, jump on the lynch Shelly train. I don't think there's anything suspicious about Tulas Shorn's play, though his big freak out was a little big. Shelly's just annoying as shit, and isn't really playing the game. She's using her constant blather to make herself seem unimportant, and I really think that she is a killer. And like someone upthread said, worse case scenario we get rid of an annoying townie.

Practically begging for Shelly. At this point I really can't see Telas NKing Shelly. He just wants her too bad to NK her. The risk of such an action would be exceptionally high (unless this is a super smart scum that can read people well enough to know that town won't hold his Shelly-mongering against him)

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

Alright, well, it doesn't seem like we'll get the votes for Shelly, and I'm not likely going to be able to play for the rest of the night. So...

remove vote
vote Tulas Shorn

And true to form, Telas returns to the TS vote to make sure someone gets lynched on Day 1. Definitely a move easily attributable to town (information) or scum (accelerating townie deaths).


This concludes the Day 1 analysis of Telas.

[Telas]

Alright, now that I have had some time to actually read through some posts, I wanted to point out a couple of things. We'll start with D'Riss:



Prior to his moving his vote to me, his vote was on Rashan, a train I had started, so a train that would have had you guys all looking at ME if Rashan CF'd inno. Then he says he's cool with considering anyone, so his vote is up for grabs.

D, on 25 May 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

I'm cool with considering anyone at the moment, including Anomander. The nature of the beast that is Malazan Mafia is that the players here are GOOD. Scum play isn't gonna come out and hit you in the face.

D'Riss, as far as I can tell, was the first to bring up the "scum don't act scummy" idea that's been floating around all weekend, however, when I moved my vote to Ampelas, his first post was:

D, on 26 May 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

This, for me, is hands down the scummiest post in the game so far.

He follows that with a big spiel on just how scummy my vote change actually was, and what possible motivations I, as scum, could have for moving my vote to Ampelas, without, it seems, even considering what it could mean if I was inno. So he moves his vote to me for pulling a scummy move. That's a pretty safe vote change, as can be seen by the fact that within a page of thread, three more people piled onto the train.



Ano points out that my being erratic doesn't necessarily mean I am scum:

Anomandaris, on 26 May 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

People, town does not have roles. Other than wanting to eliminate the townies most dangerous in their arguing power and mental acumen, townies are townies. Pick one, get them lynched, NK and move on FTW. So when I see something like Telas switching votes to a non-existent train hoping to start one, I don't see scum being erratic. Scum are rarely erratic (why do you think day 1 lynches always come up town?).

So Telas switches and in come the votes: D'riss, Amp, Korbas, Thyr. All within less than 1 page's worth of text. Now since their aren't 4 scum, there are townies on this train. But I'll bet you my game alt's life that at least one of those (I think two of them) are scum. Why not? Telas was stupid. Telas was impulsive. That's lynchable criteria. Easy win for scum.

D'Riss's response to this is that Ano is missing the point, that it's not just cause I was playing erratically that he moved his vote… but fails to actually explain himself, all he does is criticize Ano's criticism of his vote, without ever actually further explaining how his vote on me wasn't for my 'erratic play'

D, on 26 May 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

There's a big problem with your rebuttal of my case Anomander. If you think my argument was "being erratic means he's scum", you have missed the point.


Not only that, there are several fallacious assertions in your rebuttal based on this "erratic=scum" strawman you have built.

Next, Ampelas comes on and basically reiterates what D'Riss had said when he voted for me, that my vote change could easily be an opportunistic way to make myself seem more innocent, rather than scum. D'Riss points this out right away, so he's protecting his vote against me. That's fine, I would probably do the same thing in his place. Ano comments that it's a very scummy thing for Amp to do, then makes a case against Ampelas, and all of a sudden D'Riss says:

D, on 27 May 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Crosspost with the last Anomandaris.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about Amp, and I agree that this is a fairly common way for scum to play.

I'm not against an Amp lynch if that's the way people want to go. Because at this point, inno or scum, an Amp lynch would offer a fair amount of information. (As would a Telas lynch, mind).

He voted for me because I switched my vote to Amp, his being the only other case that was out there at the time. Anomandaris had already made a pretty strong case against Ampelas, and, though I disagreed with it, I felt more comfortable assuming Ano was inno then Amp, so I decided to jump on Ano's train. And according to D'Riss that was very scummy play. But as soon as Ano gives another detailed case against Ampelas, his vote is up for grabs again.



Anyway, I just think that D'Riss has been a little inconsistent, and upon close reread, I'm getting a D'Riss/Amp pairing ping (albeit faint…) Truly, I still think Ampelas is inno so I'll leave my vote on Korbas now, because that train seems to be the only one that might compete with the lynch against me. Plus, I feel like D'Riss will probably hammer me as soon as he reads this anyway, but hey, just putting it out there.


EDIT: remove random code that showed up in my post

This post has been edited by Telas: 28 May 2012 - 03:32 PM

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 28 May 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I have never voted for Telas, though he has voted for me.

Well, that's just untrue. Also, I am sorry if I drew the attention your way, I just think your arguments have been the most reasonable. I hope that the remaining townies will take me seriously after I CF inno.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Just got up, surprised they killed off Shelly. I figured the killers would have left her around for the townies to take down. Which means that she must have been on to something. I believe she spent a good chunk of time accusing Ampelas, so when I have the time to go through the thread I'm going to read over her posts again to see if there's anything interesting in them that we may have missed.

Appropriate response to Shelly's kill (suspicious or not?). And a perfect opportunity to move the attention onto Amp. Looks like that is where Telas is going.

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Took my time to read through Ampelas' posts and I retract my statement, I don't think he's very suspect. From what I remember and what has been said since day started again, I can see a Galain or a Korbas lynch going through today, going to take the time to read through their posts, now, see if I can dig out anything interesting.

Huh? Not Ampelas? Telas decides Korbas or Galain are better targets. Now this is strange if Telas is scum, but if he is imitating town, this is a good move. Definitely a reasonable post even if the hint of trying to direct where the thread looks next sends up a red flag or two.

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Rashan, on 23 May 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Hrmm, funny how we got completely different things from the same posts Rashan - it seemed to me that Ampelas' posts were rational and well thought out. He doesn't strike me as killer, he was one of the first to point out that Shelly was probably RPing, and basically stuck to that conviction. He jumped on the Tulas train, but I don't think he started it (I don't really remember), but in the end, I jumped on the Tulas train too, if only to get a lynch. Anyway, I disagree with you completely Rashan, and think you might be trying to move the attention away from you by analyzying something I had already said I would analyze, thus knowing or assuming I would probably end up on your train, so I'm going to take some time to read through your posts again before I move to Galain and/or Korbas.

Amp didn't start it I believe he just jumped on the ride. I think Kheltatha would have proven to be one of the bigger threats to the scum team. Most people drop role playing after day 1 and he was clearly a high poster that could run the thread. I think the nail in his coffin was when he started looking Amp's way. It wasn't worth letting him live another day where he might build a case against him.

I'm not surprised that any of you are looking at me since I was a vocal proponent of a Kheltatha lynch. I went out on a limb based on the theory that scum could be hiding behind high posting for a change and was wrong.

Galain I'm not sure of. He's a high poster, but I haven't really seen much in his content. I'll reread him and Korbas to see if I get the same feel that you do for them.

Was reading through some old posts, and I noticed something else interesting - you put your vote down for Shelly right after I suggested that Shelly might be using her Krazy with a capital K to hide the fact that she's a killer, and then you just did the same thing to Ampelas right after I suggested that we should look closer at him. I think you're trying to make it seem like I'm directing your votes, and I don't like that. I'm going to keep an eye on you.

Moving from suspecting Amp, to discounting Amp, to (in this post) defending Amp. I would start linking Amp and Telas at this point.

Shelly begins to suspect Rashan, citing Rashan puppy-dogging him as scummy. IGMEOY post.

Telas, on 24 May 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Fener, on 24 May 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

TS was lynched with ten hours left. It seemed odd to say that we couldn't lynch someone who was two short when there were over ten hours left in the day.

Thought it was pretty clear that I wouldn't be able to play for the rest of the night. I didn't want to take the chance of a no lynch day, and it seemed pretty obvious that Tulas Shorn was the more popular possible lynch of the two. At any rate, if I were a killer I certainly wouldn't have NK Sheltatha on night 1, she was getting enough negative attention as it was, there was a good chance that she would have gotten lynched on day 2. Guess we shall see.

At any rate, I probably won't be on for the rest of the night. Not sure if I'll be able to get on before end of MAFIA day, though I should be able to. But just in case, I am going to

vote Rashan

For reasons stated above, by myself and by D'Riss. Hopefully there'll be lots of interesting stuff to read tomorrow!

And Telas logically escalates from IGMEOY to a vote. Now, what's interesting is this starts the Rashan train. Basically it becomes Amp and Telas hammering down on Rashan, as Rashan fights back and continues to try building a case again Amp, who he still considers to be scum. Amp doesn't actually throw down a Rashan vote until one page after Telas.

Telas, on 24 May 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Rashan, on 24 May 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Telas, on 24 May 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Fener, on 24 May 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

TS was lynched with ten hours left. It seemed odd to say that we couldn't lynch someone who was two short when there were over ten hours left in the day.

Thought it was pretty clear that I wouldn't be able to play for the rest of the night. I didn't want to take the chance of a no lynch day, and it seemed pretty obvious that Tulas Shorn was the more popular possible lynch of the two. At any rate, if I were a killer I certainly wouldn't have NK Sheltatha on night 1, she was getting enough negative attention as it was, there was a good chance that she would have gotten lynched on day 2. Guess we shall see.

At any rate, I probably won't be on for the rest of the night. Not sure if I'll be able to get on before end of MAFIA day, though I should be able to. But just in case, I am going to

vote Rashan

For reasons stated above, by myself and by D'Riss. Hopefully there'll be lots of interesting stuff to read tomorrow!

You're reasoning being? I voted Sheltatha whom you and D'riss BOTH agreed that many of us wanted to see go down and then I switched vote to hammer at the end? SO? It was a done deal. If I didn't vote someone else would have. I even admitted when I voted that I didn't know how many votes were out there etc. as I was ready for bed.

You've been dancing around the idea of accusing me for a while, but now that Ampelas has a second vote on him you decide to throw your vote down. I'm thinking you're starting to worry that your partner is in danger.

To be fair, I suggested I was going to have a closer look at Ampelas before you put your vote on him. I think you're trying to use me to make it seem like I am directing your lynches, and I still haven't seen a single thing from Amp to make me believe he might be scum. Furthermore, Amp's case is very good, so my vote stays on you for now!

Telas' primary reason for voting Rashan continues to be the suspicion Rashan is setting Telas up for a lynch. Lynch you before you can lynch me and the like.

Telas, on 24 May 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

I have been posting on a fairly regular basis, but besides agreeing with Ampelas, I don't really have much to add. I think Rashan is scum, but I also think that Anomander may be right about Korbas. For now, I'm leaning towards Rashan. I have already stated why, and I don't know that there would be much to add that wouldn't just make it seem more and more that I am partnered with Ampelas, who I think is a townie, but others don't agree with me about that.

Kind of a replay of Day 1. Telas' target is Rashan, but he does agree with others thoughts on potential suspects (namely my suspicion of Korbas)

Telas, on 24 May 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

Galain, on 24 May 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Zip zap boopity bap, i'm back for now. Got some real life shit going on so i'll be a low-poster for today and tomorrow, the weekend should be fine though, and i apologize in advance.
I'll throw my thoughts on-thread when i have more time, i'm not yet convinced of this Rashan lynch, but it appears to be the only way with something like two or three hours remaining on the clock. Ampelas makes some valid arguments, and i'm willing to throw my vote on the Rashan train should it be required, but it just feels...iffy to me, i don't know.

The Amptelas could be true as well, yet... I don't know, man.

I'm going to do a slow reread, checking over stuff, etcetera.

Once again, i apologize for my lack of participation today and tomorrow.

That seems to be the theme for today - there's no sure lynch, no one really has a STRONG case against anyone, so there's not much we can do!

More repetition of day 1. Nothing strong enough to make a lynch a done deal. Telas is not seeing anything that makes him want to withdraw from his weak case on Rashan.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

I am going to look over some stuff later, but for now, my mind still hasn't changed.

vote Rashan

Already have a vote on Rashan... I point this out later, get some resistance and then an apology as Telas recognizes his mistake.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 28 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 May 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I have never voted for Telas, though he has voted for me.

Well, that's just untrue. Also, I am sorry if I drew the attention your way, I just think your arguments have been the most reasonable. I hope that the remaining townies will take me seriously after I CF inno.

You are correct Telas, sorry I was thinking of the brief Amp vote and misspoke.

We have not voted for each other.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Galain, on 25 May 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 25 May 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Galain, on 24 May 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Oh, also, i'm not going to help us get a kill for the sake of not wasting a lynch. I'm not convinced that Rashan is Scum, so i won't vote for him. We're down quite a few towns already, if yesterday's lynch had passed we might have been down four townies and zero scums. Is that so hard to understand?

Also, geez, since when is coming on late a valid voting excuse? I was busy today, and you're probably in another timezone than i am.

A lynch would have given us valuable information. Information is what town is rather short of at the moment. As it is, we lost a chance to hit scum, while they gained another night to kill another of us off.

What information would it have given us? If Rashan is a Townie or a Scum? There are several better cases that weren't based on a drunk hammervote. But, that's my opinion.

My vote wasn't based on a hammer vote, for the record. It was based on some shifty actions and reactions from Rashan's part.

Clarification of his reason voting Rashan. Telas continues to be consistent with his prior actions.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

D, on 25 May 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

For reals today, I'm read to test the Amp - Telas connection, for no other reason that it probably affords us the most information at this ponit. Except for one fact niggling the back of my brain. Why was Rashan hard to lynch? Thing is, scum actually want lynches of townies to happen too, because it allows them to whittle down the field and potentially win faster. Only THREE people were willing to actually lay a vote down on Rashan. If he was innocent, I can't help but feel that scum would have been more than happy to lay their votes down on him to deadify him.

Could it be because Rashan is a killer, so he and his killer friend wouldn't throw a vote down on one of their pair? If that's true, Rashan's partner probably was one of the non-voters, waiting to throw a hammer vote down if it was necessary. And then Karosis gets NK'd. Rashan tries to make it seem like D'Riss is suggesting that the people on the Rashan lynch were scum, and then uses the Karosis NK to throw the spotlight on Ano. In true Rashan fashion, he picks up on someone else's idea and runs with it, albeit in the different direction than the person who originally posted. First it was a couple of my ideas, now it's D'Riss's idea.

Rashan, on 25 May 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

You're right D'riss that's been niggling me too. I really got the feeling that scum was on my train.

This Karosis kill also is bugging me. But how about THIS for the theory, and IT could have worked.

So WE look at who Karosis has been looking at and the only one we find is Ando with his theory on Korbas and Amp. Karosis is NKd so now we wonder if Ando took him out. This just makes the theories regarding Korbas and Ampelas no longer valid and so we target Ando. Ando cf's town and the killers get another night.

I personally think Karosis was NKd because he didn't really show any strong opinions besides mentioning that perhaps Anomandaris was a killer because he was trying to 'confuse the thread.' (which I think is a load of crap). The killers (aka Rashan and ?) are trying to get us to look in different directions.

As you can tell, I'm still getting the scum vibes from Rashan, and strong.

This is where antagonism of Rashan (who is starting to throw suspicion my way) turns into defense of me. Telas is beginning to give me PI status.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Galain, on 25 May 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I can see the merits of an Anomandaris lynch, i might throw my vote on the pile after some consideration. I'll look over all the cases again and will post my opinion in a few minutes.

Hmmm, Galain was one of the ones who abstained from voting yesterday, and now he's lending credence to Rashan's case against Anomandaris? Perhaps Galain is Rashan's killer partner? He was part of the people who abstained from voting last round, so he could have been holding back to hammer vote if Rashan could get enough people on the Ampelas lynch train. Furthermore, I did a quick scan of the thread, and I don't think Galain has ever voted against Rashan, and Rashan hasn't voiced anything against Galain. Hmmmmm.....

Telas begins to put together another possible scum pairing: Galain/Rashan.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Galain, on 25 May 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

Galain has questioned my posts quite a few times these last few pages, and yes, i abstained from voting because i didn't think Rashan was scum and didn't want to lose another Townie.

I'm sorry, killer say what?

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Rashan, on 25 May 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Anyone that doesn't vote your way is scum? Let Galain do what he wants. If we get the Ano lynch your protests could say a lot about you when he cf's scum. And likewise if you lynch me when Icf inno.

I didn't say anything about voting my way, I said something about voting period. I realize people are going to think I'm a killer if we manage to lynch you and you CF inno, but I'm willing to take the risk, cause the more I think about it, the more I like you for scum. Only time will tell, I suppose!

The only radar pings I have right now are on Galain for reason stated above, and on Fener for being so darn inactive. Neither of those cases is strong enough to warrant my changing my vote for now, so I'll stick with you Rashan.

Sticking with Rashan. Bulldog clamp down, much like his Day 1 focus on Shelly.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

For the sake of stirring things up a bit, I will move my vote to Ampelas. If we lynch him and he CFs inno, though, I'm going to be crusading hard for a Rashan lynch tomorrow, as I still think he's a shifty bugger!

remove vote
vote Ampelas

So players have cited this as the reason Telas needs to be lynched. I disagree. This, despite how sudden it may seem, is not inconsistent from the way Telas has played. He has already started establishing how I am trustworthy and then states I have made a good case. It should be recognized that at this point day 2 has failed miserably with town unable to agree on a lynch suspect. The same thing is happening again at this point, and the case on Rashan is not gaining any traction. This is a reasonable switch and not as sudden as people believe.

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Rashan, on 25 May 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Do you think of nothing else but me when you go to bed at night?

I can't help it, you make my heart skip a beat dear Rashan! I think it's Stockholme Syndrome, I can't resist your scummy vibes!

Telas hangs onto Rashan like he held onto Shelly...

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

Vote up for grabs. Not the best thing to say, only lends itself to a scum case on him (and coupled with his vote switching, this is a stereotypical case on which people are lynched).

Telas, on 27 May 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 13 hours and 41 minutes left in the day. The Timer is FROZEN!

There are 9 players left: Ampelas, Anomandaris, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Rashan, Telas, Thyrllan

5 votes required for a lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 votes Ampelas (Telas)
3 votes Telas (Korbas, Thyrllan, Rashan)

Players not voting: Ampelas, D'riss, Fener, Galain

Anomandaris is missing from the votes. I think he should be in not voting, but his vote might be on me.

More attention on me, even thinking I'm going to start gunning for him.

Telas, on 28 May 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 28 May 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

If Telas flips scum, Ano is the other killer. (yes I know telas voted ano, but lets face it, its a vote he had to know wasn't going to garner much support, basically everyone in thread, barring rashan, has stated how inno they view ano, myselkf probably foremost)

I never voted Ano, actually. I voted Ampelas, and before that it was Shelly, Tulas or Rashan I was voting for. I am certain I have said at least once, and probably several times, that I think Ano is likely an inno. I can't defend my vote beyond what I already did. There were no cases picking up traction, nothing was being said that had any substance, no one was taking any risky moves, so I changed my vote to see what would happen. In retrospect, I shouldn't have changed it to someone who I had been vocally defending the previous day, but hey, everyone makes mistakes. Sorry if you are looking for more of a defense, but it's the god's honest truth, just wanted to shake some trees.

That being said, I think Ano is probably onto something with his questioning Korbas and Ampelas' scumminess, so if the lynch against me goes through and you find out I'm a townie, and if everyone is still convinced Rashan is a townie, I would follow Ano's instinct. Something tells me he is right, which, aside from trying to stir things up (which, I might add, was quite successful) is why I moved my vote to Ampelas, it's where Ano had his vote, and he seemed to be making sense to me. I feel like the lynch on me is probably going to end up happening. I am not sure if I will be back before day finishes, though, so just in case Ano can pick up more traction with his case, I'll throw my vote onto his train, again.

remove vote
vote Korbas

Switching votes again, puppy-dogging me like Rashan supposedly puppy-dogged him. This is the point I'm getting uncomfortable. I like people to look at my cases, but not to follow me primarily because they believe I'm PI. Seems like symping even though we don't have symps. And if this is Telas' intent, it's working. I'm now linked with Telas. If Telas comes up scum, I'm toast. And if he is scum, my hat goes off to him. I think he has played brilliantly. Very clear, very precise, and despite acting in ways that sets him up for lynches, I think the problem lies in people's analysis of him not in his game play.

Telas, on 28 May 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

It's a shame you guys are going to be down two more townies by tomorrow.

Scummy Telas. Really need to avoid these kind of comments....

So my conclusion: Telas matches my profile for scum. He plays like earnest townie, is helpful, thoughtful, and doesn't strike me as subtly directing the thread (too passionate about certain suspects) nor does he seem to be trying to disrupt the thread (he settles down on a few suspects and seems confident of his choices, not throwing out many questions in several different directions).

HE IS NOT SCUM. Why, didn't I just say he was? Nope. Remember my day 1 analysis of him? It doesn't make sense. Why NK Shelly? And a NK of Karosis points to him as well (remember Shelly's hybrid suspect Telarosis?). If Telas were scum, he would be making a stream of mistakes that makes him an easy target, and frankly, I still hold that scum will be trying to survive and make it to D-day, not setting themselves up for traditional scum cases.

Telas is good in my books, and if we are stupid enough to lynch him, then I think we get what we deserve when scum wins the game.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 28 May 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Scummy Telas. Really need to avoid these kind of comments....

It's a good point, you're right, it was a scummy comment, but what can I say, I was frustrated that I couldn't come up with a viable alternative to a lynch on me, and I couldn't help myself. *shrugs* Thanks for your faith in me, and you needn't worry, I will definitely CF inno, so hopefully others will see that I wasn't trying to pull attention off you, but offering my support of your well thought-out posts.

[Anomandaris]

It's all good. I think that scum are on your train, and that makes it easy to establish a train, esp when it only takes 5 votes to lynch. I do think you have something with D'riss and I will look into that next, but for now, I have to get started on my day.

[Rashan]

Ano is awfully convinced that Telas will cf inno. If Ano is a killer and Telas is inno this could be PERFECT for him since we'll all be looking the Telas train. My flight is about to take off. No idea if I will have internet. So good luck yo.

[Telas]

Rashan, on 28 May 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Ano is awfully convinced that Telas will cf inno. If Ano is a killer and Telas is inno this could be PERFECT for him since we'll all be looking the Telas train. My flight is about to take off. No idea if I will have internet. So good luck yo.

Well, for the record, I am also convinced that I will CF inno....