[D'riss]

Amp just said basically what I said earlier, in different words.

[Anomandaris]

D, on 27 May 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Amp just said basically what I said earlier, in different words.

Scum do that.

[Ampelas]

D, on 27 May 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Amp just said basically what I said earlier, in different words.

Pretty much, but since Ano missed it the first time I thought it was worth saying again

[Anomandaris]

So we are back to L-1, great. Well let's get this show going right, it's not like we have much time any more.


Remove Vote

[Ampelas]

I do think it is worth emphasising, though, that scum are not always going to sit back and let town get on with things. If they can see a possible advantage to them they will take it.

[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on 27 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

So we are back to L-1, great. Well let's get this show going right, it's not like we have much time any more.


Remove Vote

What? Even after the end of the weekend freeze we still have almost 14 hours in the day left...

[Anomandaris]

D, on 26 May 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

There's a big problem with your rebuttal of my case Anomander. If you think my argument was "being erratic means he's scum", you have missed the point.


Not only that, there are several fallacious assertions in your rebuttal based on this "erratic=scum" strawman you have built.


First,

Are you seriously eliminating from suspicion anyone who does more than push obvious looking lynches? So we should reasonably expect scum to never express opposing opinions, break away from the crowd and always play "smoothly"? It is never that simple.

Second,

The weekend is the PERFECT time to be erratic. People are gone from the thread, there isn't conversation going on, so contextual evidence is at a minimum. The easiest thing in the world would be to dismiss this as trying to liven up a dead weekend.

Third

By your logic you and I must be innocent, since we're going out on a limb and attacking anyone not Rashan. Good, glad to know you and I are PI now.

I grant you that it is never that simple. But as scum in the past, my best games were playing exactly like town, thinking about who looked scummy and pushing their lynch. It's a great strategy and in the end I believe I was indistinguishable from the best town players.

Now, I believe that most scum play like this to varying extents. And in a game where the paired killers are the only roles, I would expect the behavior to be even more crisp. It's a waiting game, and scum only have to win two more days before they are set for the win.

So the reason I keep pushing my two fav's is that people continue to ignore them for the most part. Amp has gotten some heat, but no more than anyone else at this point. Korbas continues to dart about at the edge of the vision, no one but me putting pressure on him despite his lukewarm plays.

We in mafia enjoy going after the scummy, and that's what everyone keeps spouting "OOOO scummy this, and scummy that. Must be scum, lynch, lynch, LYNCH"

It's time to redefine scummy.

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on 27 May 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

I do think it is worth emphasising, though, that scum are not always going to sit back and let town get on with things. If they can see a possible advantage to them they will take it.

Yup. Which is why this L-1 deal-le-o is worrying me. And why I think scum are already on the train. Surprised you haven't hammered yet Amp.

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on 27 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 27 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

So we are back to L-1, great. Well let's get this show going right, it's not like we have much time any more.


Remove Vote

What? Even after the end of the weekend freeze we still have almost 14 hours in the day left...

oops sorry

Edit: /dramatic sarcasm

[Rashan]

Anomandaris, on 27 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

D, on 26 May 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

There's a big problem with your rebuttal of my case Anomander. If you think my argument was "being erratic means he's scum", you have missed the point.


Not only that, there are several fallacious assertions in your rebuttal based on this "erratic=scum" strawman you have built.


First,

Are you seriously eliminating from suspicion anyone who does more than push obvious looking lynches? So we should reasonably expect scum to never express opposing opinions, break away from the crowd and always play "smoothly"? It is never that simple.

Second,

The weekend is the PERFECT time to be erratic. People are gone from the thread, there isn't conversation going on, so contextual evidence is at a minimum. The easiest thing in the world would be to dismiss this as trying to liven up a dead weekend.

Third

By your logic you and I must be innocent, since we're going out on a limb and attacking anyone not Rashan. Good, glad to know you and I are PI now.

I grant you that it is never that simple. But as scum in the past, my best games were playing exactly like town, thinking about who looked scummy and pushing their lynch. It's a great strategy and in the end I believe I was indistinguishable from the best town players.

Now, I believe that most scum play like this to varying extents. And in a game where the paired killers are the only roles, I would expect the behavior to be even more crisp. It's a waiting game, and scum only have to win two more days before they are set for the win.

So the reason I keep pushing my two fav's is that people continue to ignore them for the most part. Amp has gotten some heat, but no more than anyone else at this point. Korbas continues to dart about at the edge of the vision, no one but me putting pressure on him despite his lukewarm plays.

We in mafia enjoy going after the scummy, and that's what everyone keeps spouting "OOOO scummy this, and scummy that. Must be scum, lynch, lynch, LYNCH"

It's time to redefine scummy.

No matter how this game ends up, you MUST make that your new signature.

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on 27 May 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 27 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

D, on 26 May 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

There's a big problem with your rebuttal of my case Anomander. If you think my argument was "being erratic means he's scum", you have missed the point.


Not only that, there are several fallacious assertions in your rebuttal based on this "erratic=scum" strawman you have built.


First,

Are you seriously eliminating from suspicion anyone who does more than push obvious looking lynches? So we should reasonably expect scum to never express opposing opinions, break away from the crowd and always play "smoothly"? It is never that simple.

Second,

The weekend is the PERFECT time to be erratic. People are gone from the thread, there isn't conversation going on, so contextual evidence is at a minimum. The easiest thing in the world would be to dismiss this as trying to liven up a dead weekend.

Third

By your logic you and I must be innocent, since we're going out on a limb and attacking anyone not Rashan. Good, glad to know you and I are PI now.

I grant you that it is never that simple. But as scum in the past, my best games were playing exactly like town, thinking about who looked scummy and pushing their lynch. It's a great strategy and in the end I believe I was indistinguishable from the best town players.

Now, I believe that most scum play like this to varying extents. And in a game where the paired killers are the only roles, I would expect the behavior to be even more crisp. It's a waiting game, and scum only have to win two more days before they are set for the win.

So the reason I keep pushing my two fav's is that people continue to ignore them for the most part. Amp has gotten some heat, but no more than anyone else at this point. Korbas continues to dart about at the edge of the vision, no one but me putting pressure on him despite his lukewarm plays.

We in mafia enjoy going after the scummy, and that's what everyone keeps spouting "OOOO scummy this, and scummy that. Must be scum, lynch, lynch, LYNCH"

It's time to redefine scummy.

No matter how this game ends up, you MUST make that your new signature.

Consider it done, in the future tense of course

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

Oh man, my biggest regret last game was that we didn't get to lynch Serc. Looks like we will get another chance!

This is a checking in post. I'll be back tomorrow for more shenanigans

establishing presence in last game, not saying much about this one.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

well, i'm back and caught up.

Shelly is taking the piss. if it's really bothering you, ignore it. I personally am rather amused by it, it is a pretty good parody. I will maintain that it is never worth lynching people simply because they are annoying. hopefully the role play will end after the first day anyway.

I'd like to hear more from Tulas. a vote like that so early in the game seems odd. lazy townie moves like that tend to be later in the day, when people realise that they won't be online before time out and rush to put a vote down.

i don't think it's wise to ignore shelly - she's not just annoying, she's actually deliberately putting misinformation all over the thread which i cannot for the fucking life of me see how that would help town at all.

anyone who is misled by Shelly rambling about healers and priests and multiple alts hasn't been reading properly. p.s. has said several times that this is the simplest of m and p games.

in a text based game it isn't always easy to pick up on sarcasm and other non-written clues. but it's fairly obvious to me that Shelly is mocking a different style of play. maybe if the mocking continues we look at lynching her, but lynching someone on day one for being annoying and role playing just seems rather lazy to me.

Pointing where to look without saying much else to support the suspicion of Tulas. Calling people lazy, establishing a thoughtful, level-headed persona that isn't all that excited about Shelly.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 22 May 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

I am only on for a minute. But I agree with Shelly we should be looking for codes. Actually Shelly seems to making perfect sense. If only I wasn't pressed for time. Thy is starting to look a little suspect.


Vote Thyrllan


Edited for spelling

like this post. mother of fucking god, what could he possibly be thinking? pressed for time? is this a joke? either he explains or his neck is next on the chopping block - especially if shelly comes back scum.

this is very bad play from Tulas, and I agree that we need some explanation from him. however, I think it says more about Tulas than it does about Sheltatha.

Edit - sorry typed my stuff in the middle of a quote

Says more about him being suspicious? Or not suspicious?

either? both? to me it could be either that Tulas is inno, failed at reading and wanted to put a vote down, knowing that he wouldn't have much time to play today OR Tulas is scum looking to direct focus on to an innocent player and finding Shelly's post a convenient way to do so.

Tulas either scum or inno. brilliant.

Ampelas, on 23 May 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 May 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

It is very interesting that SL was knocked off by the killers. Shelly was setting herself up for a lynch, and seeing that she was inno (and the killers know she's inno with no chance of being on their team) I don't understand why they wasted a night kill on her.

MOs include:
-Shelly was onto something and/or someone
-Shelly was way off base, and thus the WIFOM over her speculations would hinder town
-killing Shelly would point us to someone who voiced annonyance with her
-killing Shelly was a reaction to her irritating behavior
-it was meta-kill meant to pick off Khells, not Shelly
-it was a random kill from a provisional list made before any real content was seated in thread

Personally, I'm leaning toward an MO having to do with how annoying Shelly was. Being cagey and being mafia, I am going to actually start looking into people who were not annoyed at Shelly, thinking that the killers would distance themselves from their kill. I believe this is counterintuitive, hence the long winded analysis.

I want to say it's because they found Shelly annoying. I can't count the number of times I've wished I was scum so that I could kill off that annoying player

I'm not exactly sure where you are going with this list. Shelly was really only interested in lynching TS, who then got lynched. There were many people voicing annoyance with her behaviour. In fact, I think I was the only person who found it rather amusing Any other possibility you listed really doesn't tell us much about who had it in for Shelly. Personally I think you are more likely right with your first statement; Shelly was killed off because she was decidedly innocent.

I also am not really sure what you mean by the final bit of your post. if it is counterintuitive why are you doing it?

So, I was really just checking in to see the night result before heading to bed. Guess I'll see the answers to this and so much more in the morning

And distancing and describing Day 1 as Shelly pursuing TS, everyone being annoyed with shelly and voting TS, but not much else about anyone or anything else. Kind of reminds me of "Who me?" with innocently batting eyelashes.

Ampelas, on 23 May 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Rashan, on 23 May 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 23 May 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Hrmm, funny how we got completely different things from the same posts Rashan - it seemed to me that Ampelas' posts were rational and well thought out. He doesn't strike me as killer, he was one of the first to point out that Shelly was probably RPing, and basically stuck to that conviction. He jumped on the Tulas train, but I don't think he started it (I don't really remember), but in the end, I jumped on the Tulas train too, if only to get a lynch. Anyway, I disagree with you completely Rashan, and think you might be trying to move the attention away from you by analyzying something I had already said I would analyze, thus knowing or assuming I would probably end up on your train, so I'm going to take some time to read through your posts again before I move to Galain and/or Korbas.

Amp didn't start it I believe he just jumped on the ride. I think Kheltatha would have proven to be one of the bigger threats to the scum team. Most people drop role playing after day 1 and he was clearly a high poster that could run the thread. I think the nail in his coffin was when he started looking Amp's way. It wasn't worth letting him live another day where he might build a case against him.

I'm not surprised that any of you are looking at me since I was a vocal proponent of a Kheltatha lynch. I went out on a limb based on the theory that scum could be hiding behind high posting for a change and was wrong.

Galain I'm not sure of. He's a high poster, but I haven't really seen much in his content. I'll reread him and Korbas to see if I get the same feel that you do for them.

Again, don't have much time to post (I hadn't expected my week to be this busy) and I will be back later, but I want to address this before I leave.

First, having played the previous game with Serc, I knew that Khell was role-playing. The crazy leaps in logic, suggesting roles that were definitely not in the OP (especially the priest!) and suggesting that he had a great knowledge of mafia even though he was a 'noob' all made it very clear that he was playing a character. Because I knew he was playing a character I could ignore most of what he said, and it didn't bother me. In fact, I'm still rather confused by how many people took it seriously.

I would also like to point out that I wasn't actually on the Tulas train at all. I had returned to find that he had been lynched, and left without posting again.

Finally, he never really 'looked my way', he made a single post saying that he thought both I and Galain merited a further look. He seemed rather more interested in Galain, pointing out that Galain lining up lynch targets was rather suspect.

That is all I currently have time for, but I will return.

And then the next post is more of the same. Knew shelly was inno, wasn't on the TS train, played in last game high five dudes!, don't have time to post, etc.

This is what I would call smooth, not rocking the boat, waiting. I don't think Amp actually voted on Day 1 at all. Think about it this way, you are in a good place if you can't be tied to Shelly. If you think that shelly was just a silly townie (if you knew Shelly was a townie...). Amp at this point in my analysis hasn't really made any strong cases. He does seem level headed and if I wasn't suspicious of such behavior from the get-go one could almost laude him as being a stable thoughtful low posting townie. But this blandness bothers me, esp when everyone is acting more rowdy and anxious. Again, counterintuitive, but come SH, I think you will all see the wisdom in this manner of thinking.

[D'riss]

You have to admit though, that this has brought a load of more information out on thread. Reactions, vote trains and a who's who of who is willing to vote for who etc.

(I'll bet you've never seen 4 who's in a sentence not involving an owl before)

[D'riss]

Crosspost with the last Anomandaris.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about Amp, and I agree that this is a fairly common way for scum to play.

I'm not against an Amp lynch if that's the way people want to go. Because at this point, inno or scum, an Amp lynch would offer a fair amount of information. (As would a Telas lynch, mind).

[D'riss]

This is what I've got for a count.

1 vote Ampelas (Telas)
4 votesTelas (D'riss, Korbas, Thyr, Rashan)



With your seeming conviction, why'd you remove from Amp, Anno?

[D'riss]

I'm going to

Remove vote

Simply because of the L-1 bit, with rest-of-weekend +14 hours.

[Anomandaris]

Ok, so part two of my analysis of Amp. Things really get going after that first set of quotes above. The Rashan/Amp war has begun. I have not quoted these posts below because they are basically gigantic messes of quotation with interspersed hissing and spitting. It's an impressive match (even if it gets a little repetitive and tedious at the end), and imao, the win goes to the much more logical and organized Amp not to the OMGUS Rashan.

But finally, Amp opens up a little more beyond this pissing match and at the end and gives us this:

Quote

I'm actually starting to wonder the same thing. This day and the last day have basically been about you, me and Telas. Ano has had his own stuff going on that hasn't really been commented on, but it seems like everyone else has been coming on, agreeing with this or that post and leaving again.
I'm starting to have my doubts on Telas, and something about Korbas is rubbing me the wrong way. I will have more time tonight to look back and figure out what it is that is bothering me about those two.

And for the record, I never had a problem with your case on Shelly. I understood why people wanted to lynch Khell, even if I didn't understand why they couldn't see it for the satire it was.

Focus shift. His tone takes an entirely different tack. We've gone from indifferent day 1 Amp, to angry day 2-3 Amp, to now, day 3 suspicious Amp. Telas, smack wham, out of the blue. Got to be scum. And so starts the build of another train. And despite bringing up Korbas, other than a quick, hmm he seems suspicious, we get no more. Telas is our scum now.

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

aw man, I hate weekend freezes in the middle of the day!

I don't like the way Telas has suddenly turned on me. yesterday he thought I was inno, and at this stage I still think we are likelier to get a Rashan lynch. so his change of heart makes me think that he is worried about his position. if he knows that I am inno he can expect that my inno cf might clear him of some suspicion too.

vote Telas

Amp, I should note here that you are linked to a lot of people. A lynch of you would give us a lot of info at this point...

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Rashan, on 26 May 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

All this tells me is that you don't care who gets lynched providing it isn't you, which is just making you look scummier.

It also suggests that if you ARE scum, your partner is not a player that is currently being investigated.

Why do you think this?

If his vote is 'up for grabs' it means that at this stage he is prepared to vote for any of the suspects hanging around. Which would mean that his partner is not one of them.

However, Ano makes a good point. We have had a lot of trouble getting lynches, even at the end of the last day we could only get three votes on Rashan. Now suddenly we have 3 votes for Telas in a sort space of time, and on a weekend no less.

Remove vote


I need to think about this some more.

And right in character, vote withdrawn, back to logical Amp. Very townie move, removing a vote to think about it more. I'm still not buying it.

Ampelas, on 27 May 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 26 May 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

D, on 26 May 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

For the sake of stirring things up a bit, I will move my vote to Ampelas. If we lynch him and he CFs inno, though, I'm going to be crusading hard for a Rashan lynch tomorrow, as I still think he's a shifty bugger!

remove vote
vote Ampelas

This, for me, is hands down the scummiest post in the game so far.

First of all, the vote is totally out of character. After some first day annoyance over Shelly, Telas has been Rashan this and Rashan that. There has been no hint that Telas is a player who votes simply to "stir things up". The appearance is as if he hasn't really given a thought to Amp. Yet he votes him anyways over something as flimsy as "stirring things up". Not only failing to really justify the vote, the main thrust of the post is still at Rashan. From an inno point of view, this post doesn't make any sense to me.

So does this post make sense in the context of Telas as scum? Well, the case leveled at Telas contains a connection between Telas and Amp. If Telas is scum, and Amp is NOT, this post and vote change smacks of an opportunistic move by Telas. If Telas is scum, and Amp is not his partner, Telas of course knows Amp is inno. He's been waiting for an excuse to vote Ampelas, because if Amp is lynched and turns up inno, that erases the connection to himself and effectively takes a source suspicion away from Telas. It also gives the illusion that Telas is innocent and can vote for anyone because "of course" he doesn't have a partner.

The post, other than the vote, is primarily a dig at Rashan. "Crusading hard" for Rashan the next day reads to me like a more subtle "setting up the next day's lynch" than what Galain did on day 1. See, once the Amp/Telas connection is dead, that should make it easier to push a Rashan lynch. Day 4.... getting down to the wire.

Remove vote

Vote Telas

Ok, so this is a good place to start to point out flaws in logic. So Telas is gunning for Rashan. And Rashan continues to bury himself with his hard on for me. Logically, Telas would continue to nip at Rashan's flank and follow through with a lynch (after all Rashan was at L-2). And then Telas thinks, ooo, Anomandaris is voting for Amp and I think Anom is innocent and I'm going to switch votes. Right?

So Telas brings Rashan back to L-3 and elevates Amp to L-3. Big whoop...

Try to put yourself in the place of the killer pair now. You have to stay alive for, what, two more days? Town is scrambling about like an old man looking for his dropped contact lens. It's the weekend, so it's not like town is going to time out anytime soon and you are feeling smug that town royally fucked up the day prior. Now if you are thinking scum, you could say, "Let's ride this out, neither I nor my partner are in danger atm, let's monitor the thread and nudge and prod where needed." I mean that seems like a really good strategy right? So you are pushing for a Rashan or Anomander lynch (those being the two most likely atm by vote count). What do you do? Do you keep building cases against the suspects, antagonizing the townies under pressure to get them to bury themselves a little more? Or do you say, I'm just going to stir things up and see what happens?

People, town does not have roles. Other than wanting to eliminate the townies most dangerous in their arguing power and mental acumen, townies are townies. Pick one, get them lynched, NK and move on FTW. So when I see something like Telas switching votes to a non-existent train hoping to start one, I don't see scum being erratic. Scum are rarely erratic (why do you think day 1 lynches always come up town?).

So Telas switches and in come the votes: D'riss, Amp, Korbas, Thyr. All within less than 1 page's worth of text. Now since their aren't 4 scum, there are townies on this train. But I'll bet you my game alt's life that at least one of those (I think two of them) are scum. Why not? Telas was stupid. Telas was impulsive. That's lynchable criteria. Easy win for scum.

That's why I'm so harsh on this train.

Ok, so having re-read the posts since the Telas votes started, I have a few objections to the points you bring up.

Telas' vote for me could have bigger implications than just Telas being erratic. Telas has been connected to me by Rashan, and a few other people who agreed with him. Telas has spent the past few days pushing for a Rashan lynch, which there has been very little traction over. It is simply the same people pushing the Rashan lynch, and at this stage we will end up where we were yesterday, with no lynch. In that situation, why would Telas not switch his vote in an effort to have another townie lynched? I have been receiving my share of attention over the last few days, and it wouldn't be that strange to switch to another popular train. Also, since Telas has been connected to me, when I cf inno that will make him look more inno by association.

In addition, this point in the game, while nothing much is going on due to the weekend freeze, and people are somewhat annoyed at missing yesterday's lynch, could be seen as the perfect moment to take charge of the thread and start directing the lynch a bit more.

So I don't think this is simply a case of a player acting erratically. Telas is certainly trying to give that effect, by saying that his vote is up for grabs, but I think this is considered play, and that Telas changed his vote because the Rashan case has not been going anywhere.

I guess Amp what bothers me is the fact that you spend so much time fighting with Rashan, and then suddenly change course and dropbear Telas, who I think is still acting scummy but doesn't fit as a paired killer. And you brought up Korbas. What happened to that suspicion? Was it distancing? Show you don't like him but don't push for a lynch because it may just happen.

Ampelas, on 27 May 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

D, on 27 May 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Amp just said basically what I said earlier, in different words.

Pretty much, but since Ano missed it the first time I thought it was worth saying again

Yeah, you could say that if I had actually been around to read the first one before you decided to reiterate.

Ampelas, on 27 May 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

I do think it is worth emphasising, though, that scum are not always going to sit back and let town get on with things. If they can see a possible advantage to them they will take it.

Like hammering. Ironically, with all the emphasis on scum hiding out as town, I would be very surprised to see scum hammer this train. Maybe tomorrow, but they have to make it through one last day.

Now all this being said, I am starting to have doubts you are scum Amp. You are pushing very hard without sticking to your guns, which at this point strikes me as leading people where they will go instead of going with actual convictions of your own. There are too many footholds on you, and if you were scum, I wouldn't expect you to expose yourself quite this much. I mean, it could be that you are playing a riskier game, but still, as you would say, I need to think on this more.
So why don't we do this: tell me about Korbas, the one I wanted to lynch first anyways. Why are you suspicious of him? Why does he rub you the wrong way? Etc.Gods I'm tired. I'll take another stab at this in the morning.

[Ampelas]

I haven't yet returned my vote for Telas because there is still heaps of time left in the day. One of my pet peeves is lynching someone who wasn't had a chance to defend themselves, and thus losing possibly valuable information. While Telas has been on since the votes started piling up, I don't think there is any harm in waiting to see what else will come out of the day. At the end of the day I will return my vote to him, but I would like to see what more comes out of it first.

Ano, for someone who thinks we need to redefine scummy behaviour, you certainly are banging on about the same old stuff. Scum make lists, scum restate others' opinions, scum play smooth and don't make waves. All of which you have accused me of. So maybe by your assessment we need to be looking at the people pushing cases and announcing that they will do anything to get a lynch: Rashan, Telas and you. Except you have already said that you think Rashan is town and Telas isn't scum based on the fact that his train built so quickly. That leaves... you?

I'm not sure what you are looking for and I'm starting to wonder f YOU know what you are looking for.

[Ampelas]

Christ. First Rashan and now you.

My thoughts on Korbas: has been hanging around, being generally agreeable but actually contributing very little. Seems to have a tendency to agree with the most recent player. Very under the radar. The only reason I haven't pursued this train of thought so far is because there are plenty of other suspects on the table already, and bringing another one in will only split the votes further. Had I known the second day was going to end as it did I would have looked more into it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Give me a bit and I will build a case on him, since you seem so unconvinced by my thoughts on either Rashan or Korbas.

[Thyrllan]

trying to catch up, might vomit