[Kanese S's]

Not sure if someone has already made this, or if Gust's fascination with compendia has infected me, but I was wondering if there is a list of all the gods identified so far in Wu and what exactly they're the deities of (Like how Mael is the elder god of the sea, etc.).

If one already exists, sorry for making a new thread, and I'll be on my way. If one doesn't exist, I guess I'm going to make this post one.

Also, spoilers await.

Edit: Note that I have not read most of FoD yet at this point, so most of this information is likely now inaccurate.


Elementals

Spoiler

Mother Dark
Goddess of: Darkness (duh), Order, cultural deity of the Tiste Andii
Parents: Some Tiste couple, presumably.
Known Consorts: Father Light, Draconus
Known Offspring: Anomander Rake (Anomandaris Purake/Irake/Dragnipurake), Silchas Ruin, Andarist, Tiste Andii as a group, Tiste Edur as a group? However, her offspring appear to have been figurative, rather than literal.
Known Rivals/Enemies: Chaos in general, represented by T'iam
Warren: Presumably Kurald Galain
Religion: Priesthood among the Tiste Andii
Pantheonic Position: None (Predates houses and holds). Unless she's Queen of High House Dark
Status: Active

Father Light
God: Light, possibly also order but not the same order as Darkness? Cultural deity of the Tiste Liosan
Parents: Some Tiste couple, one would assume.
Known Consorts: Mother Dark
Known Offspring: Osserc, Tiste Liosan as a group, Tiste Edur as a group? Some of these may be figurative, rather than literal.
Known Rivals/Enemies: Unknown
Warren: Presumably Kurald Thyrllen/Liosan
Religion: Unknown
Pantheon Position: None (predates houses and holds), Unless he is King of High House Light
Status: Unknown

T'iam
Goddess of: Dragons, CHAOS
Parents: NA
Known Consorts: Scabandari, Olar Ethil
Known Offspring: Sheltatha Lore, Olar Ethil (ewwwwww), dragons as a group. This info likely inaccurate with FoD
Known Rivals/Enemies: Korabas, Order, especially as represented by Mother Dark, Anomander Rake and other Tiste Andii
Warren: Starvald Demelain
Religion: Does not appear to have one as such
Pantheon Position: None (predates houses and holds)
Status: Inactive

Korabas/The Otataral Dragon
Goddess of: Balancing T'iam, the order imposed by universal absence of life, negation
Parents: NA
Known Consorts: None
Known Offspring: None
Known Rivals/Enemies: T'iam, all other dragons
Warren: Negates all magic
Religion: None
Pantheon Position: None (Predates houses and holds)
Status: Inactive

Elder Gods

Spoiler

K'rul
God of: Warrens, Order, Sorcery, Dreams (specifically Kruppe's), Blood
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Chaos in general, the Crippled God, Kallor
Warren: With the exception of elder warrens, all of them, presumably.
Religion: Priesthood of K'rul, has at least one temple in Darujhistan, represented among the Mask Council in Capustan (by a manifestation of himself)
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Sister of Cold Nights/Nightchill
Goddess of: Night, chilly weather. Perhaps a representation of the beauty but harshness of natural world in that cold nights are beautiful but make survival difficult?
Parents:
Known Consorts: Bellurdan
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Kallor, Tayschrenn, Anomander Rake... she's lived a long time, presumably has had lots of disagreements.
Warren: Rashan
Religion: Little organized worship seems to remain
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased (soul shifted to Silverfox)

Draconus
God: Darkness, scary things of the night
Parents:
Known Consorts: Mother Dark, Olar Ethil
Known Offspring: Lady Envy, Sister Spite, Malice, Arathan
Known Rivals/Enemies: Chaos, the Crippled God, Anomander Rake at one point
Warren: Unknown, perhaps Kurald Galain
Religion: Little organized worship remains
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Mael
God of: the Seas and Oceans
Parents:
Known Consorts: Unknown. Tehol is his best bud.
Known Offspring: Beru and Neruse? Or are they actually unrelated?
Known Rivals/Enemies: the Errant, his own priests at times.
Warren: Ruse
Religion: Priesthood of Mael, specifically Jhistal Priesthood
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Errastas/The Errant
God of: Destiny/Fate, the Tiles, and being a giant douchebag
Parents:
Known Consorts: Feather Witch, in a highly dysfunctional relationship
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Mael, Feather Witch, all the younger gods, Ammanas and Cotillion especially
Warren: no warren, but the Empty Hold
Religion: Priesthood of the Empty Throne in the Lether Empire
Pantheon Position: Unaligned (The Errant)
Status: Active

Kilmandaros
Goddess of: Destroying things, especially via punching, Forkrul Assail
Parents:
Known Consorts: Who knows
Known Offspring: Sechul Lath
Known Rivals/Enemies: Younger gods, Scabandari Bloodeye at one point
Warren:
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Sechul Lath/Knuckles
God of: Chance, the game of knuckles
Parents: Kilmandaros
Known Consorts: Unknown
Known Offspring: the twins of Oponn
Known Rivals/Enemies: Younger gods
Warren: Unknown, perhaps one of the holds
Religion:
Pantheon Position: Unaligned (Knuckles)
Status: Active

Grizzin Farl
God of:
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren: Unknown, perhaps one of the holds
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Inactive

Ardata
Goddess of: Dreams, Spiders (is it just me, or is that a terrible combination?)
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren: Unknown, perhaps one of the holds
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Unknown

Olar Ethil
Goddess of: Possibly Birth and Creation, Possibly connected to Burn/is an aspect of Burn, some connection to Soletaken? Also big on rituals that turn entire races into undead
Parents: T'iam, supposedly
Known Consorts: T'iam (eww) allegedly
Known Offspring: Envy, Spite, Malice
Known Rivals/Enemies: Torrent, Tool
Warren: Tellann
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Grab Bag of Newer Gods

Spoiler

Apsalara
Goddess of: Thieving, Patron of Thieves
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Temporarily Anomander Rake, due to attempting to steal from him, resulting Apsalara's imprisonment within Dragnipur
Warren:
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Burn
Goddess of: the World in which the series takes place, and really long naps.
Parents: Uncertain. Perhaps some connection to Olar Ethil, but it seems as if the latter might be an aspect of Burn
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: the Crippled God
Warren: Tennes, D'riss
Religion: Priesthood of Burn
Pantheon Position: Unaligned (Obelisk)
Status: Sleeping

Oponn
God and Goddess of: Luck, Chance
Parents: Sechul Lath (Knuckles)
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Shadowthrone, Cotillion, at the beginning of the series, later Errastas and Sechul Lath
Warren:
Religion: Priesthood of Oponn
Pantheon Position: Unaligned
Status: Active

Beru
God of: the Sea, specifically Lord of the Storms
Parents: Mael?
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren: Ruse?
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Neruse
Goddess of: the Sea, specifically Lady of Calm Seas and Fair Winds
Parents: Mael?
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren: Ruse?
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

T'riss/Queen of Dreams
God of: Life, Dreams
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren: D'riss
Religion: Priesthood of the Queen of Dreams
Pantheon Position: Queen of High House Life
Status: Active

Fener
God of: War, title - The Boar of Summer
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Errastas' group of Elder Gods, the Forkrul Assail
Warren: Tennes
Religion: Priesthood of Fener, Warrior Cult (Grey Swords)
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Trake/Treach
God of: War, title - The Tiger of Summer, First Hero of the Human First Empire, a soletaken
Parents: Kilava Onass
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Not sure on this one, help?
Warren: Tennes
Religion: Priesthood of Trake
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased?

Togg and Fanderay
Gods of: War, title - The Wolves of Winter, rulers of the Beast Throne
Parents:
Known Consorts: Each other
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Humans, other sapient species
Warren: Not sure, help on this one? Is there a Beast Warren? Or is it rather the Beast Hold?
Religion: Priesthood of Togg and Fanderay, Warrior cult (Grey Swords, Grey Helms)
Pantheon Position:
Status: One deceased, one active

Anomander Rake
God of: the Bluerose Tiste Andii (does not accept his position as a deity)
Parents: Mother Dark (figuratively)
Known Consorts: Lady Envy, whoever Nimander and Phaed's mom is
Known Offspring: Several, including Nimander Golit, Phaed, etc.
Known Rivals/Enemies: Osserc at times, Draconus at one point, other Tiste Andii factions, the Malazan Empire, the Pannion Domin, the Crippled God, Chaos
Warren: Kurald Galain, Starvald Demelain
Religion: Worship of him as the Black Winged Lord (among other names) in Bluerose
Pantheon Position: Knight of High House Dark
Status: Deceased

Silchas Ruin/The White Crow
God of: Bad omens, to the Tiste Edur and Letherii? Does not deny this godhood so much as completely ignore it
Parents: Mother Dark (figuratively)
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Lots, including the K'Chain Che'Malle at one point, Scabandari Bloodeye, most of the dragons/T'iam, Clip
Warren: Kurald Galain
Religion:
Pantheon Position: Unaligned (Crow)
Status: Active

Osric/Osserc/Osseric/Liossercal
God of: Light, the Sky, Wind, God to the Tiste Liosan, and also Kyle's tribe
Parents: Father Light
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring: Loric
Known Rivals/Enemies: Anomander Rake at times
Warren: Kurald Thyrllen/Liosan
Religion: Worshiped by the Tiste Liosan and as "Father Wind" or some such by Kyle's people
Pantheon Position: Champion of High House Light
Status: Active, sorta

Scabandari Bloodeye
God of: the Lether Tiste Edur
Parents: a Tiste couple
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: the K'Chain Che'Malle, Silchas Ruin, Kilmandaros, many others
Warren: Kurald Emurlahn
Religion: Worshiped by the Tiste Edur in the north of Lether
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Sheltatha Lore
Goddess of: Sunset for the Tiste Edur, title - Daughter Dusk
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Menandore, Sukul Ankhadu, Quick Ben
Warren: presumably Kurald Emurlahn
Religion: Figures into the Edur worship of Scabandari Bloodeye, venerated more than Sukul or Menandore
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Menandore
Goddess of: Sunrise for the Tiste Edur, title - Daughter Dawn
Parents:
Known Consorts: Udinas
Known Offspring: Rud Elalle
Known Rivals/Enemies: Sheltatha Lore, Sukul Ankhadu, Quick Ben
Warren: I had thought Kurald Emurlahn, but if she is not related to Scabandari (closely), then maybe Kurald Thyrllen?
Religion: Has a part in Edur mythology of Scabandari
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Sukul Ankhadu
Goddess of: Mottled sunlight for the Tiste Edur, title - Daughter Dapple
Parents:
Known Consorts: Unknown, unless you count the people she murders and eats
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Menandore, Sheltatha Lore, Quick Ben
Warren: Kurald Emurlahn?
Religion: Has a part in Edur mythology of Scabandari
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

Mowri
God of: Beggars
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren:
Religion: Worshiped by beggars?
Pantheon Position: Fool, Leper, Cripple of High House of Chains
Status: Active, sorta

Kaminsod/The Crippled God/The Chained One
God of: the Broken and the Flawed
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring: Unknown, could be considered to have offspring in the form of the other beings that have sprung from pieces of him, such as the Great Ravens, the Blessed Lady, etc.
Known Rivals/Enemies: The vast majority of the other gods, is anathema to the world itself
Warren: Chaos, his own tiny realm
Religion: Priesthood of the Crippled God/the Chained one, Various cults throughout Wu, had a temple in Darujhistan
Pantheon Position: King of High House of Chains
Status: Deceased/Departed

Poliel
Goddess of: Plague, Sickness, Pestilence
Parents:
Known Consorts: A long line of now dead mortals
Known Offspring: Unknown, unless you count diseases as offspring
Known Rivals/Enemies: Soliel, Shadowthrone and Cotillion, Ganoes Paran, the Malazan Army, and the Deragoth
Warren: Unknown
Religion: co-goddess of The Sisters priesthood in Theft (can't remember if she has her own temples and priesthood in Genebackis, Quon Tali and 7C or not)
Pantheon Position: Consort of High House Chains
Status: Deceased

Soliel/Shedenul
Goddess of: Healing, Health
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Poliel, uppity mortals
Warren: Denul
Religion: Priesthood of Soliel in Quon Tali, 7C and Genebackis; co-goddess of The Sisters priesthood in Theft
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

D'rek
God of: Rot and Decay, title - the Worm of Autumn
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Most of her own clergy, the Crippled God, Chaos, the Forkrul Assail, Errastas' group of Elder Gods
Warren: D'riss
Religion: Priesthood of D'rek, clergy now decimated
Pantheon Position:
Status: Active

Hood
God of: Death
Parents: Unknown, some Jaghut couple
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Shadowthrone and Cotillion at the start of the series, later the Crippled God, the Pannion Domin, Chaos, the Forkrul Assail, and Errastas' group of Elder Gods
Warren: Hood's Path, presumably also Omtose Phellack
Religion: Priesthood of Hood in various parts of Wu
Pantheon Position: King of High House Death
Status: Active, sorta, no longer god

The Unbound
Gods of: the Teblor
Parents: presumably various Imass couples
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: those who oppose the Crippled God, other T'lan Imass, Karsa Orlong
Warren: Tellann
Religion: Cult of worship among the Teblor, involving supposed sacrifice of flawed children through abandonment
Pantheon Position: The Seven of the Dead Fires of High House of Chains
Status: Not sure, help?

The Seregahl
Gods of: the Tartheno
Parents: various toblakai couples? Possibly they are Toblakai ascendants
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies:
Warren:
Religion:
Pantheon Position:
Status: Not sure, help?

Dryjhna the Apocalyptic
Goddess of: the Apocalypse and Rebellion in Seven Cities
Parents: presumably an Imass couple
Known Consorts: Onrack
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: Kilava Onass, Onrack after he immortalized the former in an artistic medium
Warren: Tellann, and the Raraku fragment of Kurald Emurlahn
Religion: the Dryjhna cult in Seven Cities, holiest ground was Raraku
Pantheon Position:
Status: Deceased

"Opals, Gems, and Shards"
God of: The Forkrul Assail, Justice. Anyone have this guy's name? There was a thread about it a while ago.
Parents:
Known Consorts:
Known Offspring:
Known Rivals/Enemies: the Forkrul Assail, when they killed him
Warren: Akhrast Korvalain
Religion: Long dead
Status: Deceased, mostly


Ammanas/Ammeanas/Shadowthrone
God of: Shadow, being a pimp
Parents: Some Dal Honese couple
Known Consorts: None
Known Offspring: None
Known Rivals/Enemies: Oponn early in the series, the Crippled God somewhat, later the faction of Elder Gods led by Errastas, and the Forkrul Assail
Warren: Meanas (what was Kellanved's warren before ascending?)
Religion: Priesthood of Shadow in various parts of Wu(plus some of the Cult of Rashan, Cult of Shadow, but not Cult of the Empty Throne, some or all of which may have been merged into the priesthood when it was created)
Position: King of High House Shadow
Status: Active

Cotillion/The Rope
God of: Shadow, Patron of Assassins
Parents:
Known Consorts: None, unless you count the mortal women he's possessed
Known Offspring: None
Known Rivals/Enemies: Oponn early in the series, the Crippled God somewhat, later the faction of Elder Gods led by Errastas, and the Forkrul Assail
Warren: Meanas
Religion: Priesthood of Shadow in various parts of Wu, assassin cult
Pantheon Position: Assassin of High House Shadow
Status: Active

This post has been edited by Kanese S's: 30 August 2012 - 06:09 AM

[Aptorian]

We've probably had a few over the years. I am sure the encyclopedia has some kind of list.

But lets make our own!

!!!SPOILERS FOR ALL BOOKS!!!

!!!WARNING THIS INCLUDES LATEST ICE BOOKS!!!

Of the top of my head, feel free to correct me where I am wrong

Mother Dark - Goddess of Darkness and Order.

Father Light - God of Light... and Order? ... or does light really represent chaos in some way?

Tiam - Goddess of Dragons, represents Chaos.

Shadowthrone/Ammaenas(sp?) - Shadow god and King of the House of Shadow.

Cotillion - Shadow god and Patron God of Assassins

Oponn - Twin gods of Chance/Luck

Triss - Queen of Dreams, Queen of High House life (right?)

Ardatha - Old Queen of a Dreams, God of Spiders? Spinner of nets or something.

Mael - God of the Seas

Neruse - Goddess of the seas

Beru - Lord of Storms

Fener - God of War

Trake/Treach - God of War, First Hero of the First Human Empire.

Togg and Fanderay - Gods of War, Wolves of Winter, King and Queen of the Beast Throne

Olar Ethil - Elder God of Birth and Creation, Possibly connected to Burn/is an aspect of Burn, Possible God of the Soletaken.

Kilmandaros - Elder God of Strife, War, Destruction.

Knuckles/Sechul Lath - Elder God of Chance

The Errant - Master of the Tiles, Elder God of Chances... or would that be potential? Maybe fate?

Anomander Rake - The god of the Cult of the Black Winged Lord (Does not accept his godhood)

Osric/Osserc/Osseric/Liossercal - God of Light, God of the Sky, God of the Tiste Liosan.

K'rul - Maker of the Houses, Elder God of Magic? ... New Aspect appears to be dreams.

Draconus - God of Darkness... dabbles in Cruelty? Justice?

Nightchil - Bore the tittle of Sister of Cold Nights, God of Darkness?

Mowri - A Beggar God.

Apsalar'a - Patron of Thieves

The Crippled God - God of the Broken.

The Faces in the Rocks (?)/The Unbound - Gods of the Teblor

The Semk God - A tribal God of the Semk

The Seregahl - Old gods of the Tarthano people. Possibly Thelomen Tharthano Toblakai ascendants

The Pack - Soletaken God of the Jheck

The Huntress - Jaghut God of the Letherii

The Lady - Goddess of the Korelri. Aspect of the Crippled God possibly.

The Dying God - Not sure what he represents. Death?

Itkovian... Can't remember his new title. The Redeemer?

Dryjna - Goddess of the Apocalyps.

Poleil - Goddess of Pestilence and disease.

Soleil - Healing Goddess, connected to Deneul?

Shedenul - possibly another name for Soleil?

Hood - God of Death, King of Ice, Lord of Hosts

Whiskeyjack and all the Bridge Burners - Army of Death, effectively making them all Gods of Death.

D'rek - Worm of Autumn, God of Decay and Rot

The Lether Gods of Drink - Represented hops and barley or something similarly agricultural.

T'renn - New God of what ever K'rull used to do? Not sure if he can be counted as a god seeing as he hasn't gotten any followers... yet.

"Opals, Gem and Shards" - The God of the Forkrul Assail, represented Justice.

Maker - Shaper of Creation? Tender of the Shores of Creation.

Is Grub worshipped? Or is he just an ascendant manifestation of the Bonehunters?

Grizzin Farl - Possibly the Elder God of Burnt Toast

The Tyrant of Darujistan - Was he worshipped?

Ganoes Paran - The Master of the Deck ... does he have worshipper yet?
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Jaghut Tyrants who have probably all been worshipped at some time:

Raest

Jhenna

(Gothos)

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Ascendants who are not known as Gods.

Caladan Brood/The Warlord

Dassem Ultor/Traveller

Silverfox - Flesh and Blood Bonecaster, Leader of all? T'lan Imass.

Karsa Orlong

Fisher Kel Tath

Lady Envy

Sister Spite

Silchas Ruin

Scabandari Bloodeye (Is he technically the God of the modern day Edur?)

Andarist

Menandore

Sukhul Ankadu

Shelthada Lore

The Hounds of Shadow

The Deragoth

Dessimbelackis

Probably Stormy and Gesler

Kallor and Icarium are both technically ascendants if we go by the characteristics of ascendants but they are both said to be unable to ascend.

Mappo is probably an ascendant as well.

This post has been edited by Aptorius: 13 May 2012 - 11:47 AM

[T'renn]

That other chick ?




Do you mean Sukhul Ankadu (Daughter Dapple) or Sheltatha Lore ? (Daughter Dusk)

[Aptorian]

Both!

[Kanese S's]

I thought the Edur did worship Sukul Ankhadu, Sheltatha Lore, and Menandore, to some extent, as sort of demigoddesses?

[Aptorian]

Hmm. True. I should probably throw Silchas Ruin in as the White Crow as well.

[D'rek]

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Mother Dark - Goddess of Darkness and Order.

I wouldn't directly say she's a goddess of Order. It just so happens that her Darkness aspect is very ordered, but I don't think it's an inherent aspect of her, if you know what I mean.

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Errant - Master of the Tiles, Elder God of Chances... or would that be potential? Maybe fate?

Fate, or destiny, not chance. Sechul Lath does chance. The Errant's "nudges" alter your fate (ie: he nudged the Sea Guardian's fate for the ancient names not to be forgotten, and nudged Rhulad's fate to be killed instead of lying incapacitated and alive)

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Huntress - Jaghut God of the Letherii

I don't know about being a Letheri goddess... even if she is part of the Tiles I'm not sure that means she is worshipped, just like High House positions are not all gods either.

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Lady - Goddess of the Korelri. Aspect of the Crippled God possibly.

I'd clarify this as "The Blessed Lady", as there are other "Lady" titles, including one from The Healthy Dead that goes by a very similar name.

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Dying God - Not sure what he represents. Death?

I don't think he represents anything, he was just a vengeful god.

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Is Grub worshipped? Or is he just an ascendant manifestation of the Bonehunters?

I don't think we've seen him being outright worshipped in any direct fashion.

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Tyrant of Darujistan - Was he worshipped?

I don't think so.



More to add:

-The 4 demonic gods of Quaint from THD (including Lust and her alter-ego Lady form)
-The sea god Hannan Mosag chained
-The 3 known Dal Honese gods
-The Mott salamander god
-Greyfrog's species' (Sirinith?) gods

[Defiance]

You forgot Stump Flit, Salamander God of the Mottwood Irregulars. Blasphemy, I say!

[worry]

The Errant is of the Empty Hold (behind the throne, not on it), I believe.

[Beezulbubba]

Iskaral Pust. Whose fervent worshippers are the bhoka'rala.

[Kanese S's]

D, on 13 May 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Mother Dark - Goddess of Darkness and Order.

I wouldn't directly say she's a goddess of Order. It just so happens that her Darkness aspect is very ordered, but I don't think it's an inherent aspect of her, if you know what I mean.

I would say she is a goddess of Order to some extent, the first order in existence. However, it's definitely a secondary aspect, since it happened sort of as a byproduct of her first aspect. Gods can be the deities of multiple things (just take IRL Apollo, or Odin, for example), after all.

[Kanese S's]

Please do keep the further info and corrections coming.

[D'rek]

Kanese S, on 13 May 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

D, on 13 May 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 13 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Mother Dark - Goddess of Darkness and Order.

I wouldn't directly say she's a goddess of Order. It just so happens that her Darkness aspect is very ordered, but I don't think it's an inherent aspect of her, if you know what I mean.

I would say she is a goddess of Order to some extent, the first order in existence. However, it's definitely a secondary aspect, since it happened sort of as a byproduct of her first aspect. Gods can be the deities of multiple things (just take IRL Apollo, or Odin, for example), after all.

Right, but saying she is a goddess of Order is like saying every god and goddess aspected to a warren is a god or goddess of Order. You going to put "and Order" after all of them?

[Kanese S's]

But she was the first who established order. I think that does make some difference. And she seems more squarely aligned against chaos than most other deities.

[Aptorian]

The reason why I put Order besides her is that she is sort of a linchpin for the whole universe it appears but also because Eriksons magic/elemental system seems to work on many levels. At the core of things she is by far the most likely candidate for a "Champion of Order", like how Darkness and Chaos are the twin chambers of K'ruls heart but yeah it isn't out right stated anywhere.

[Illuyankas]

If it wasn't for the dualistic Darkness/Chaos thing I'd have said the Forkrul Assail's sundered deity would have been of Order.

[Abyss]

Icarium had a whole cult worshipping him. He was a god as far as they were concerned.

[Sinisdar Toste]

the entry on t'iam in the OP gets wonky around rivals/warren. goes back to MD info.

also need to add in that

Spoiler

oponn are the offspring of sechul lath.

[D'rek]

Aptorius, on 14 May 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

The reason why I put Order besides her is that she is sort of a linchpin for the whole universe it appears but also because Eriksons magic/elemental system seems to work on many levels. At the core of things she is by far the most likely candidate for a "Champion of Order", like how Darkness and Chaos are the twin chambers of K'ruls heart but yeah it isn't out right stated anywhere.

Does that really have anything to do with MD though, and not just because Draconus semi-arbitrarily decided to use Darkness as Order to fight Chaos? (And then in MoI he admits he made a mistake when he assumed only Darkness could manifest Order)

[Aptorian]

That is the thing I love about the Malazan magic system/universal order, it's not just what you are in your core, it's also about what other people/entities sees you as and it's also about what the "universe" needs you to be. If Mother Dark needs to represent Order, if worshippers and other gods need her to represent Order, she basically does represent Order, whether she actually wants to or not. Unless she brakes that stereotype her self, by doing something crazy like embracing chaos, or maybe her followers warp her through delusion, then she is Order. At least from an abstract point of view.

For the people who believe in the Mother Dark the Creator of the Universe Origin Myth she certainly must represent Order.

This post has been edited by Aptorius: 14 May 2012 - 02:17 PM