[Serc]

 Tulas Shorn, on 11 May 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

I'm not sure exactly what kind of defence you want from me Serc. I'm not a zombie, but if you have decided to believe that I am nothing I can say will convince you otherwise. I would expect that a large number of people have guessed who I am, but I'm not going to say it on thread and make it easy for you.

Ruse, I had the same thought last night. It is surprising that Telas has survived this long, and with a relatively low DR it is completely plausible that Telas has been recruited.

Not really looking for a defense, was just wondering about your thoughts on Fener calling you a zombie. No real defenses at this point, I couldnt argue anyone voting against me, not with the way the factions are left standing.

Still figured I'd hear your thoughts.

Also, you mentioned the possibility that Telas was recruited, do you know when this might have happened?

Because unless you mean he was recruited last night phase, I'd have to say theres no way he WAS a zombie prior to tonights events.

I'd have to believe the part about the survivor talking to him based on what's happened with Anthras, but that dont mean we have to believe what he said to Telas.

I'm almost sure he told Telas that Eloth was a zombie, though, and if Telas was a zombie before tonight, I dont think he would have killed Eloth.

And we're pretty sure that it was Telas that killed Eloth,right?

So thats my reasoning. I think Fener talking to Telas is true. I think Telas is human(and if he was recruited it JUST happened, but not something I can buy yet). I'm thinking its true that Fener told Telas that Eloth was a zombie, and thats why Telas killed him. Because he was supose to kill the Walker Killer. Now this might sound strange, because I thought Eloth WAS the Walker killer, but Fener's reveal listed faction, right? Or did he say. Will be a huge point. If Telas shifted away from trying to find the Walker killer, to kill Eloth instead, especially after Fener revealed him to be a BB killer, not a walker killer, but the fact that he said he was a zombie made him chose the wrong factions killer, then there's no way he was a zombie. Sinse he would have clearly been only focused on taking out a zombie no matter what. And sinse he is the only faction I have left, it will be a huge factor to me. I'm gonna have to stick by Telas unless, and only unless, we get some damning evidense against him. Also, I cant remember if it was Ruse, or Karo, but someone said the zombies recruit on nights they dont attack. Can anyone clarify on that? If that is true then I'd be willing to say Telas is 100 percent guaranteed human. There's no way he was zombie as of yesterday. And if they dont recruit during nights that they are seen attacking, killing, etc...then he couldnt have been recruited last night. So with all that said, I will concede the fact that it's possible he was recruited, but it have had to been last night. IMO.

Moving on back to you Tulas. If Fener told Telas the truth about Eloth(seems clearly the case to me) that in no way means he was telling the truth about you, but you'd have to see it from our side. It would def be very suspicious. So what would Fener have gained by getting you killed, somehow. If you arent a zombie, then he wanted you out of the way for a reason. You said who you are isnt entirely obvious, but it should be somewhat clear. Well I dont know. The survivor didnt seem to fear merc killers, but thats not comfirmed is it? So maybe you're the faction leader, and he wanted you gone for that reason. Answer me this. Did you know that Fener was the survivor? So with you gone, that would leave Walker kid and killer, if you're leader. Trying to find what reason Fener would want you dead if you WERENT a zombie. Any ideas?

And now, if Survivor got zombie killed, how many did it take? Telas was obviously on Eloth. Walker killer was obviously on Ano. Ano attempted to kill Walker leader maybe, seems to make sense why he failed without Eloth's help. He couldnt have killed Kid, but he could have killed the killer alone. Eloth could have helped kill Fener before he died, but I'm thinking it took at least 4 people to kill Fener, unless Walker Kid stole a DR from him, if thats possible. Didnt seem possible to steal DR from the Voodoo Master, I tried. So probable DR of 3, means it would take Eloth and at least 3 other zombies to kill Fener. Right? Wrong? Thoughts? I cant see mercs turning zombie, and still being able to single handedly kill anyone with DR of 3 or less. So that removes a solo kill. So are we dealing with 3 zombies? Seems extremely important given we're down to 6 people. That would be some very key info.

Well. We have:

Atrahal, Tulas, and Ruse from Walker. Possible Tulas zombie based on Fener.

Serc and Telas from Rivera. Possible Telas zombie based on thoughts from Tulas and Ruse(?)

Karosis: Lone Faction Leader of BB.

One obvious path for my faction, is to ally with Karosis to fend against Walker clan, but at the same time possibly needing cross-faction voting to take down zombies.

I would have to ABSOLUTELY know Telas was zombie before I could vote Telas.

But it would actually be in my best interest of the zombies were in Walker's faction, because we could kill two birds with one stone. Even the other Walkers would have to turn on a zombie in their midst.

We really cant afford to be wrong with who we vote for. It has to be right this time. If we vote off a human, and there is more than one zombie then it's getting dangerously close to even numbers.

Tulas, how about a compromise. You said once you'd be willing to vote for Atrahal. Is it because you know something we dont, or suspect something we dont? And would you still be willing to vote for Atrahal? The whole thing with Telas's body seizing up when he tried to kill Atrahal, might indicate at least a possibility. And its the most we have right now. I cant vote Telas without more proof.

Still waiting to hear from Karosis. He may have found something useful during the night.

And Ruse, what about you. Would you be willing to vote for Atrahal? He never seemed suspicious to you?


EDIT: Tried to clean it up. Too tired.

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

[Serc]

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

btw
vote Ano

because he's the biggest threat to my team right now.

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

because I know he's Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

the same source gave me the names of Rashan, Shelly, and korbas, and they all checked out.

Just wanted to show an example of Fener lying to Anthras. Fener tells Anthras that Anomandaris is Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

But Eloth was Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers, and not only did Fener wrongly identify Anomandaris, he gave him the identity of a known zombie instead, without even mentioning the Zombie part.

I figured I'd do my homework on the Survivor before it ended up misleading us. At least now we have proof of the Survivor purposely misleading another player.

It's possible the Survivor wanted all the killers taken out. He seemed most interested in them. In fact, if Tulas is the Walker killer, FOR SURE not for pretend, the it would almost fit a pattern of labeling a killer incorrectly in order to get rid of them.

I dont think Fener worried about the mercs, doesnt seem to be the case that he could be NKed by mercs, but its not for sure is it. Either way, he obvisouly saw the remaining killers as the most dangerous people left. How this was going to help him achieve his VC any faster im still trying to work out. But he was up to something.

[Telas]

And i'm wide awake again!

As i said, i can't verify any of Fener's information, it's just that he was spot-on with the Eloth kill, but that might've been a lucky guess. I'm just sharing Fener's information now, as i think zombies are still our No. 1 priority.

[Telas]

Also, i have no idea how i survived night after night, although i think it's just luck. We were zombie-hunnting these last few days, and Spite covered my ass back then. After that, we took the two BB killers down before they could do anything.

But yes, i don't know what game Fener was playing, he might've revealed bits of true information mixed with false information to make my kill people that might complicate his game, but i can't know if it's true. It's just that we don't know which roles the surviving zombies are, we could be in some trouble in it's Tulas and he's the surviving killer, as we've seen that they can kill on their own last night.

[Telas]

I'll be back in three hours.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Serc, on 11 May 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

btw
vote Ano

because he's the biggest threat to my team right now.

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

because I know he's Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

the same source gave me the names of Rashan, Shelly, and korbas, and they all checked out.

Just wanted to show an example of Fener lying to Anthras. Fener tells Anthras that Anomandaris is Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

But Eloth was Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers, and not only did Fener wrongly identify Anomandaris, he gave him the identity of a known zombie instead, without even mentioning the Zombie part.

I figured I'd do my homework on the Survivor before it ended up misleading us. At least now we have proof of the Survivor purposely misleading another player.

It's possible the Survivor wanted all the killers taken out. He seemed most interested in them. In fact, if Tulas is the Walker killer, FOR SURE not for pretend, the it would almost fit a pattern of labeling a killer incorrectly in order to get rid of them.

I dont think Fener worried about the mercs, doesnt seem to be the case that he could be NKed by mercs, but its not for sure is it. Either way, he obvisouly saw the remaining killers as the most dangerous people left. How this was going to help him achieve his VC any faster im still trying to work out. But he was up to something.

Interesting catch. I wonder if Fener might have told Anthras that Ano was a killer of the BB's, and Anthras extrapolated from there? Because Anthras said that everything else Fener had told him had checked out. However, Fener lied about me, so maybe he lied about Ano too? I don't know, I can't speak for Fener.

For what it's worth, I'm not the walker killer either (although I know who it is).

At the end of the day, his brief was to use every method he could to gain a victory. With that in mind, is it really surprising that he would lie when he had to, to get a lynch?

[Serc]

 Tulas Shorn, on 11 May 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

 Serc, on 11 May 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

btw
vote Ano

because he's the biggest threat to my team right now.

 Anthras, on 10 May 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

because I know he's Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

the same source gave me the names of Rashan, Shelly, and korbas, and they all checked out.

Just wanted to show an example of Fener lying to Anthras. Fener tells Anthras that Anomandaris is Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers.

But Eloth was Private Adrian Carpazo, the killer of the BurnBridgers, and not only did Fener wrongly identify Anomandaris, he gave him the identity of a known zombie instead, without even mentioning the Zombie part.

I figured I'd do my homework on the Survivor before it ended up misleading us. At least now we have proof of the Survivor purposely misleading another player.

It's possible the Survivor wanted all the killers taken out. He seemed most interested in them. In fact, if Tulas is the Walker killer, FOR SURE not for pretend, the it would almost fit a pattern of labeling a killer incorrectly in order to get rid of them.

I dont think Fener worried about the mercs, doesnt seem to be the case that he could be NKed by mercs, but its not for sure is it. Either way, he obvisouly saw the remaining killers as the most dangerous people left. How this was going to help him achieve his VC any faster im still trying to work out. But he was up to something.

Interesting catch. I wonder if Fener might have told Anthras that Ano was a killer of the BB's, and Anthras extrapolated from there? Because Anthras said that everything else Fener had told him had checked out. However, Fener lied about me, so maybe he lied about Ano too? I don't know, I can't speak for Fener.

For what it's worth, I'm not the walker killer either (although I know who it is).

At the end of the day, his brief was to use every method he could to gain a victory. With that in mind, is it really surprising that he would lie when he had to, to get a lynch?

Earlier in the game you said you would be open to an Atrahal lynch. Still an option?

[Tulas Shorn]

Nope, I'm no longer interested in lynching Atrahal. Circumstances have changed.

[Serc]

 Tulas Shorn, on 11 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Nope, I'm no longer interested in lynching Atrahal. Circumstances have changed.

Noted.

[Serc]

 Tulas Shorn, on 11 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Nope, I'm no longer interested in lynching Atrahal. Circumstances have changed.

Did you reveal as the Kid when u said u weren't leader or killer?
I'm working out possible motives by the survivor.
Either disproving you're a zombie based on shifty info from Fener, or maybe able to find out who he really meant was the zombie.
He said Ano was Eloths identity, which was also a zombie.
So depending on your role he could have meant someone close to you, in your faction. Like he did with the Ano and Eloth swap.
Fener also revealed Ruse as a killer. If this is true its ok, but if its not it gives us a second example of false information.
I thought for sure you were zombo when I heard he pointed out u and Eloth , but this counter evidence could be extremely important.

[Karosis]

Yesterday I found out Ruse was walkers group - Not a zombie
Today I found out Atrahal is the kid of walkers group - not a zombie

Ruse could have changed, but atrahal is clear.

This means

Tulas,Telas,or Serc
cold all be zombies to me.

I would vote for any of them.

I prefer Tulas because he is a walker supposedly.

Vote Tulas Shorn

[Telas]

And i'm back!

I do wonder why people suspect me of being a zombie after several hours of me attempting to coerce people into hunting for zombies, instead of dicking around with eachother, which resulted in me killing the zombie during the night
I doubt the zombies can still recruit, i wouldn't be surprised if it's just a converted killer that takes as many people down as it can.

[Telas]

Although it's understandable, this IS Mafia, after all.

[Telas]

It seems like it's up to Tulas' own team now, can't do a lynch without one of the Walkers cooperating. I, sadly, can't give you any more relevant information because Fener wasn't too sure about the Walker group, except for Tulas, yet i can give you everything he has revealed for now, if you so desire.

[Ruse]

 Telas, on 11 May 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

And i'm back!

I do wonder why people suspect me of being a zombie after several hours of me attempting to coerce people into hunting for zombies, instead of dicking around with eachother, which resulted in me killing the zombie during the night
I doubt the zombies can still recruit, i wouldn't be surprised if it's just a converted killer that takes as many people down as it can.

Because if it turns out that TS isn't a zombie then you can just say 'oh whoops, damn that Survivor he must have lied me, what a dick.' it's too damn convenient and I don't like it.

[Telas]

 Ruse, on 11 May 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

 Telas, on 11 May 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

And i'm back!

I do wonder why people suspect me of being a zombie after several hours of me attempting to coerce people into hunting for zombies, instead of dicking around with eachother, which resulted in me killing the zombie during the night
I doubt the zombies can still recruit, i wouldn't be surprised if it's just a converted killer that takes as many people down as it can.

Because if it turns out that TS isn't a zombie then you can just say 'oh whoops, damn that Survivor he must have lied me, what a dick.' it's too damn convenient and I don't like it.

I'm willing to accept the full responsibilities of this lynch, and i'll sacrifice myself tomorrow should it be wrong. I have faith in the Fener.

[Telas]

I mean, he DID give me Eloth. The chances exist it was a clever scheme of him to work his largest opponents out of the game by latching onto me and feeding me some fake information mixed with real information, but i doubt it.

[Serc]

 Telas, on 11 May 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

It seems like it's up to Tulas' own team now, can't do a lynch without one of the Walkers cooperating. I, sadly, can't give you any more relevant information because Fener wasn't too sure about the Walker group, except for Tulas, yet i can give you everything he has revealed for now, if you so desire.

Yeah, what all did he say?
Did you see those two lies I caught him in, though?

[Telas]

He basically gave me everyone's name, partly based on Finds, other based on a process of elimination. The list is rather irrelevant as we're down to a teeny tiny group.

[Telas]

Plus we had little time to talk, different timezones i assume so it was a little bit of banter mixed with serious stuff. He didn't tell me which abilities his role had, or if there were any other zombies, he just gave me a few targets at a time. Probably because he'd stay valuable to me that way without me ratting him out.