[Omtose]

Ruse, on 30 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Shameless bluff. Based on "unknowable" .....knowledge.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Speaking of "unknowable" knowledge: I believe that Kaschan's DR last night was 0.

Subtle, you are not.

Exactly what I was thinking. Serc is playing some crazy-ass game.

Apologies for being gone all weekend, will catch up now.

[Serc]

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

[Omtose]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

Agreed on Liosan. You on the other hand appear either independent or the zombie alt whose controller decided would be the thread leader. You're striking me as pretty dangerous right now, to follow on from my day 1 suspicion of you and Ruse.

I know you're trying to fish for reactions, but the blase way in which you're doing it really gives off the vibe that you don't have to be afraid of the consequences is people turn on you.

[Liosan]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

When I first suggested that perhaps Galain was a BurnBridger, and maybe we should continue to hit an already weakened faction, Liosan was one of the first to defend this with this post:

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

Now he's changing his tune saying we should go for HUMAN FACTIONS just not BurnBridgers? Its not definate Galain was the Faction Lead like someone already pointed out, but its VERY LIKELY he is at least a BurnBridger. I did change my tune. As I said earlier, I was thinking about things over night. Knee-jerk reaction is to go for the zombies. I am pointing out that this game maybe a little more complex (just a leeettle bit) than an M&P. As for whether or not Galain is the faction lead, I would bet there will still be an attempt on him tonight. He has been labeled and people test theories.


Then you're saying to vote for me, whom you presume is a RANDOM human faction, but you're SURE im not in yours? How do you know? Your defense of wanting us to lynch a highly likely BurnBridger, but at the same time saying we need to take out Human Factions, and the voting for me whom you someone know is NOT in your faction. You are almost guaranteed to ALSO be a BurnBridger, if not Zombie. There could be no other reason. Pretty sure you ain't mine. If you noted earlier (and would know yourself if you were human faction), factions tend to know who is in their group, at least to some degree (see Twelve's blackmail comment earlier). But you are spouting things that make me think either you are a manipulative human or unknowledgeable about human factions (independent or zombie). If you are manipulative, I would rather discard someone untrustworthy at the small risk of loosing a teammate. If you aren't human faction, the odds that you are helpful to my team is very low.

You have two different stances it seems. Typical of someone with alts with different thinking? You either have alts thats confusing you or DEF a BurnBridger. Two alts with the same perspective on the BB leader? Unlikely. Stretching my friend.

If the lynch of Ampelas fails Liosan would make an absolute BEST lynch. Another example of no-no behavior. Setting a vote up for tomorrow. For if Galain is BB Faction Lead, the he's more than likely one of their killers. How does this make sense? And if he's trying to get us to NOT vote for zombies all of a sudden, then that is also odd. Why is it odd when I explained the reasoning in terms of victory conditions. Are you saying this is an M&P game, check your brain out at the door, and follow the flock into a zombie hunt? For someone who claims to be thinking outside the box with trying to trick people with false reveals (also, dicey behavior imho), this is very simplistic thinking.

At this point its Liosan if not Ampelas. Easy. "Vote Liosan in the 2012 campaign for best looking dragon of the year! Get your campaign button today!" /sarcasm

Vote remains where it is.

[Meanas]

Path-Shaper, on 27 April 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Day is over
32 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

17 votes to lynch, 16 votes to go to night.

17 Votes for Sorrit ( Meanas, Olar Ethil, Korvalain, Liosan, Telas, Serc, Mockra, D'riss, Anomandaris, Omtose, Tennes, Kaschan, Eloth, Anthras, Ruse, Osseric, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Emurlahn )
2 Votes for Kaschan ( Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn )
3 Votes for Serc ( Galain, Karosis, Osseric, Sorrit )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Kalse, Korbas, Rashan, Shelthata Lore, Silanah, Spite, Tellan


Your lynch scene:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGug3SXWDY#t=02m00s


Sorrit (Twelve) has been lynched. He was Benny, "Kid" of the BurnBridgers.

Oh, and because I forgot to mention it, day scenes will have no clues, but night scenes -may- give you an idea of what went on, who killed whom, etc.

It is now night. Resolving if I can.

I think Sorrit resigned himself to being lynched. He gave us some clues prior by barking and also by posting a picture of a dog saying he is too cute to be lynched etc.

He could have come out and said it but I don't think it would have saved him as there wasn't enough time to get a different lynch.

[Liosan]

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

Agreed on Liosan. You on the other hand appear either independent or the zombie alt whose controller decided would be the thread leader. You're striking me as pretty dangerous right now, to follow on from my day 1 suspicion of you and Ruse.

I know you're trying to fish for reactions, but the blase way in which you're doing it really gives off the vibe that you don't have to be afraid of the consequences is people turn on you.

Btw, care to expound on your agreement. I doubt you agree with everything Serc says. And mere agreement seems lazy to me.

[Serc]

Noted.

You've said your peace.

I've said mine.

I can only pray to god that people see clearly.

Guess we'll leave it at that.

[Omtose]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

Agreed on Liosan. You on the other hand appear either independent or the zombie alt whose controller decided would be the thread leader. You're striking me as pretty dangerous right now, to follow on from my day 1 suspicion of you and Ruse.

I know you're trying to fish for reactions, but the blase way in which you're doing it really gives off the vibe that you don't have to be afraid of the consequences is people turn on you.

Btw, care to expound on your agreement. I doubt you agree with everything Serc says. And mere agreement seems lazy to me.

Sorry, you're right, I should have, because I don't completely agree with Serc. I'm not sure about the zombie leader part. I agree though that you seem at the moment like a BurnBridger. Calling for another faction's healer to heal Galain tonight is what made me think that. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that idea, but you raising it is what made me think you were in the BB faction.

[Serc]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

Agreed on Liosan. You on the other hand appear either independent or the zombie alt whose controller decided would be the thread leader. You're striking me as pretty dangerous right now, to follow on from my day 1 suspicion of you and Ruse.

I know you're trying to fish for reactions, but the blase way in which you're doing it really gives off the vibe that you don't have to be afraid of the consequences is people turn on you.

Btw, care to expound on your agreement. I doubt you agree with everything Serc says. And mere agreement seems lazy to me.

This is almost funny, Liosan. It's obvious Omtose is already on your side. Now you just have to make his vote of me look believable.

[Omtose]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Noted.

You've said your peace.

I've said mine.

I can only pray to god that people see clearly.

Guess we'll leave it at that.

*piece.

And I see what you're doing there, douchebag

[Liosan]

Ah, independent. Interesting claim. We'll see what you do for the day and remove my vote should your newest reveal pan out. But it is odd how much of a boner you have for Ampelas and how you claim to have a partial DR finder ability.

Lot of claims, some already admitted as lies, why should we trust you now?

[Omtose]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

-watches out for the Zombie alt vote train in case Liosan isn't either the BB Faction Lead, or one of their killers-


We'll know soon enough.

Although its now clear that he is either Zombie Lead, or BB Faction Lead(or Killer)

Either way a safe lynch if we fail to continue with Ampelas,

Agreed on Liosan. You on the other hand appear either independent or the zombie alt whose controller decided would be the thread leader. You're striking me as pretty dangerous right now, to follow on from my day 1 suspicion of you and Ruse.

I know you're trying to fish for reactions, but the blase way in which you're doing it really gives off the vibe that you don't have to be afraid of the consequences is people turn on you.

Btw, care to expound on your agreement. I doubt you agree with everything Serc says. And mere agreement seems lazy to me.

This is almost funny, Liosan. It's obvious Omtose is already on your side. Now you just have to make his vote of me look believable.

It's true, at the moment I'm certainly more on Liosan's side than on yours. Because you are saying some pretty dodgy things, rather than because anything Liosan has done.

[Liosan]

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Noted.

You've said your peace.

I've said mine.

I can only pray to god that people see clearly.

Guess we'll leave it at that.

*piece.

And I see what you're doing there, douchebag

and a fucktard, don't forget that classic

[Liosan]

Ok, gotta go. See you all around later.

[Serc]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Ah, independent. Interesting claim. We'll see what you do for the day and remove my vote should your newest reveal pan out. But it is odd how much of a boner you have for Ampelas and how you claim to have a partial DR finder ability.

Lot of claims, some already admitted as lies, why should we trust you now?

What boner for Ampelas? Did you not read the thread up from the night scene til now? The only thing that ANYONE seems to agree on is to lynch a low post count player, and it wasnt even my idea.


Come on Liosan, you're letting me down here.

[Kalse]

I'm here, I'm here, don't modkill me!

In fairness, in my one other post, I did say I wouldn't be able to play till next week, and now next week is this week, and so now I'm here. I'm sure you've all made great strides in my absence, so I'm off to read up on it.

Anything urgent I should know about?

[Meanas]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

just checking back in to see how the lynch went, and my gosh that was a tense few minutes!

I'll be back in a few hours to see what happened during the night.

Nothing on the outcome? Just that it was a tense few moments?

[Meanas]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

*Lightbulb goes off above my head*

I know it now!

I think Serc is the priest. He said "Repent your sins" and he was accused of being independent. Sins (and the thing that preaches against them (religion)) have to do with priests (priests are not sinful etc etc) and the priest is independent, as was stated in the OP.

What were your motivations behind this post Fener? Are you saying we should lynch Serc? Protect him? Point him out for target practice?

[Meanas]

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

This is interesting. Maybe a slip by one of the zombie members.

[Korvalain]

Korvalain, on 29 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

Sorry all, its the weekend and I've been pretty busy. I'll be back around more tonight and when we return to the normal week. While there has been a little discussion, I guess I didn't miss too much. I have to say that I completely disagree with this. I agree Galain looks like one of these two roles, so for the moment I'd like to leave him alone. Even if he's a faction leader, we need his help to eliminate the voodoo dude or zombies atm.

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

Remove Vote


Vote Serc

I completely agree with this, only you say it much more eloquently. I haven't yet decided who I'll vote for today, but we should have oodles of time.