[Ruse]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Shameless bluff. Based on "unknowable" .....knowledge.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Speaking of "unknowable" knowledge: I believe that Kaschan's DR last night was 0.

Subtle, you are not.

[Olar Ethil]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Korbas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Ruse, on 30 April 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

Spite, on 30 April 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

In a game like this putting pressure on low posters is crucial and I think there is merit in the idea that a low post count and posts with votes that don't seem to have any back up, or seem to be following other alts are possible hiding places for zombie alts and I agree that going after a weakened human faction as things stand seems too dangerous since we have not seen any zombie deaths.


Serc you make a strange point about the killers seeming to target humans, are you assuming the killers know that it is humans that they are targeting? It is always a risk to have killers alive in the game but the zombies are the most dangerous faction and I don't know why the killers would target people they thought were humans at this point, other faction or not, when the most important thing is to put the zombies at a disadvantage and make it harder for them to be able to recruit. In saying that having a weakened faction with another possible member already exposed is dangerous where that is concerned too, especially with the healer gone. Though we don't know for sure Galain is in that faction and to put too much faith in him being an inno at this point is foolish as well.



Edit - formatting, paragraphs weren't showing up.

No, that's what I'm wondering. And that's what I was asking. It seemed to me that the human killers were choosing humans and possibly knowing they were not of their own faction. But I'm asking if that's what everyone else thinks. And like I said I know its not a major issue. Just curious as to what others say.

I see. Well I get what you are driving at but if they somehow knew that seems to suggest they're a bit overpowered, since they're paired as it is. It's possible I suppose but not something i'd really thought on, I more assumed they'd just been shit at picking targets.

My bet is they know their team and that's all. It sucks the dog's gone, from his description I'm thinking he was a zombie finder(sense of smell thing).

What is this sense of smell thing? I think someone else talked about it, but I've got no idea where it's coming from.

In the OP the dog is said to have been brought along because of its sense of smell. Sounds more like fleshing out the dog's character rather than an active ability. The dog already had a limited bp, plus the lowest possible DR. Sounds like the RI type role of this game. Why add an additional finder ability when each faction leader already has their own? Doesn't really make sense.

As for the killers knowing that they are targetting humans or knowing their whole team, sounds rather over-powered. I'd also say they merely had bad luck in their selections on night 1.

Yeah, but I was thinking it might have been in their abilities to always be able to find a human target from another faction, but perhaps which one is randome. I wasn't really thinking they knew so much. But it does make more sense that it's been poor targeting.

For example, I'm guessing the pair of killers who failed to kill me are still wondering why. I was just wondering if they chose me directly, so I could.......retaliate.

What does this mean? How do you know you were targeted?

[Liosan]

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Basic things first: This will be a faction game. 3 human factions, 1 zombie faction, and (possibly) several independents.

The Human factions are, in their roles (and abilities), absolutely the same.

Details about the game:

36h days, 12h nights.

Each role -may- have more abilities than are listed in the OP. I'm going to give a basic idea of what each role can do without putting all of their abilities out there. (ie, I may use Finder as a description, but the actual ability might do -slightly- more than just find.

Path-Shaper, on 27 April 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

End of Day 1

Path-Shaper, on 28 April 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

End of Night 1

So this is a much higher TMDI ?

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 28 April 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

In the night, the moans of zombies resounded up and down the stairwell. Each group cowered on their floors, some rushing from room to room, others taking the risk to travel the stairwells to keep an eye on the rival groups.

On one floor, a deadly pair stood over a sleeping figure, struck by its innocence, then left without committing the violence they intended.

Elsewhere, several zombies grabbed a Medic from where he stood over the fallen dog, ripping him to pieces on top of the corpse. A pair of figures appeared later, only to find their target already dead.

The third pair of violent humans poisoned a sleeping figure, but the healer of the group managed to remove the poison before it could have any affect.

In another place, a group of zombies inexplicably fought and failed to kill their mark, killing human after human but never finding the true target.

Silanah (Shinrei) is dead. He was Medic Irwin Wade of the BurnBridgers.

It is now day 2, the clock is frozen.

If he has a limited bullet proof and an extra ability, he could be a finder of DRs and know that his BP was used up. Which would put him as the highlighted one above (I agree with whoever said the priest only gives someone extra DR not directly prevents a zombie attack).

[Olar Ethil]

I've had this open for a while but unable to finish typing. Fishy Serc to say the least. Your hinting at knowledge but not giving us anything concrete, how do you know Kaschan had 0 DR last night?

[Liosan]

Also, concerning the quoted end scene, I was thinking I am beginning to agree that there are two zombie controllers with most of the zombie alts given to them (I still think there is a possibility a couple of alts are distributed elsewhere because it makes no sense to give someone a 5 Attack Rating which overcomes most DRs listed in the OP).

And speaking of DRs, I believe in addition to revealing, Serc is implying Kaschan is a zombie.

[Serc]

Olar Ethil, on 30 April 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Korbas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Ruse, on 30 April 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

Spite, on 30 April 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

In a game like this putting pressure on low posters is crucial and I think there is merit in the idea that a low post count and posts with votes that don't seem to have any back up, or seem to be following other alts are possible hiding places for zombie alts and I agree that going after a weakened human faction as things stand seems too dangerous since we have not seen any zombie deaths.


Serc you make a strange point about the killers seeming to target humans, are you assuming the killers know that it is humans that they are targeting? It is always a risk to have killers alive in the game but the zombies are the most dangerous faction and I don't know why the killers would target people they thought were humans at this point, other faction or not, when the most important thing is to put the zombies at a disadvantage and make it harder for them to be able to recruit. In saying that having a weakened faction with another possible member already exposed is dangerous where that is concerned too, especially with the healer gone. Though we don't know for sure Galain is in that faction and to put too much faith in him being an inno at this point is foolish as well.



Edit - formatting, paragraphs weren't showing up.

No, that's what I'm wondering. And that's what I was asking. It seemed to me that the human killers were choosing humans and possibly knowing they were not of their own faction. But I'm asking if that's what everyone else thinks. And like I said I know its not a major issue. Just curious as to what others say.

I see. Well I get what you are driving at but if they somehow knew that seems to suggest they're a bit overpowered, since they're paired as it is. It's possible I suppose but not something i'd really thought on, I more assumed they'd just been shit at picking targets.

My bet is they know their team and that's all. It sucks the dog's gone, from his description I'm thinking he was a zombie finder(sense of smell thing).

What is this sense of smell thing? I think someone else talked about it, but I've got no idea where it's coming from.

In the OP the dog is said to have been brought along because of its sense of smell. Sounds more like fleshing out the dog's character rather than an active ability. The dog already had a limited bp, plus the lowest possible DR. Sounds like the RI type role of this game. Why add an additional finder ability when each faction leader already has their own? Doesn't really make sense.

As for the killers knowing that they are targetting humans or knowing their whole team, sounds rather over-powered. I'd also say they merely had bad luck in their selections on night 1.

Yeah, but I was thinking it might have been in their abilities to always be able to find a human target from another faction, but perhaps which one is randome. I wasn't really thinking they knew so much. But it does make more sense that it's been poor targeting.

For example, I'm guessing the pair of killers who failed to kill me are still wondering why. I was just wondering if they chose me directly, so I could.......retaliate.

What does this mean? How do you know you were targeted?

No one knows if they were targetted unless they die, Im guessing.

I was only pretending to have been one of the targeted from the night scene that survived to see what, if any, responses I'd get.

Just seeing if anyone would show interest. Was guessing the human killers would be most interested.










But I'm guessing the two of you that DID TARGET me, just had your minds blown. Guess I WAS one of the targets after all?

[Serc]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Also, concerning the quoted end scene, I was thinking I am beginning to agree that there are two zombie controllers with most of the zombie alts given to them (I still think there is a possibility a couple of alts are distributed elsewhere because it makes no sense to give someone a 5 Attack Rating which overcomes most DRs listed in the OP).

And speaking of DRs, I believe in addition to revealing, Serc is implying Kaschan is a zombie.

I want to make it clear that I'm implying that Kaschan COULD be a zombie, that his DR COULD have been 0. I'm not sure. It's not concrete. But its not just gut. Like I said, I'd say 50/50 that his DR was 0, AND that it was due to his possible Zombieness. Guessing there could be other reasons his DR was 0. And to add to the vagueness, I could even be wrong as to his DR. Something I havent forseen could have occured.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

/snip

So this is a much higher TMDI ?

It is the advertised "High TMDI" game. How high, well I am bad at classifying games to the TMDI scale, I'd say it is a 9, but take it with a grain of salt. maybe it is an 8. or 10. Round about.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 April 2012 - 08:56 AM

[Serc]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 April 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

In the night, the moans of zombies resounded up and down the stairwell. Each group cowered on their floors, some rushing from room to room, others taking the risk to travel the stairwells to keep an eye on the rival groups.

On one floor, a deadly pair stood over a sleeping figure, struck by its innocence, then left without committing the violence they intended.

Elsewhere, several zombies grabbed a Medic from where he stood over the fallen dog, ripping him to pieces on top of the corpse. A pair of figures appeared later, only to find their target already dead.

The third pair of violent humans poisoned a sleeping figure, but the healer of the group managed to remove the poison before it could have any affect.

In another place, a group of zombies inexplicably fought and failed to kill their mark, killing human after human but never finding the true target.

Silanah (Shinrei) is dead. He was Medic Irwin Wade of the BurnBridgers.

It is now day 2, the clock is frozen.

If he has a limited bullet proof and an extra ability, he could be a finder of DRs and know that his BP was used up. Which would put him as the highlighted one above (I agree with whoever said the priest only gives someone extra DR not directly prevents a zombie attack).

You are referring to your colored text, the "innocent" one. It states that their violence was not carried out. Not that it failed. That person would probably not notice anything, themselves. No telling though. Only someone that wasn't faction would be unaware of the method that your DR is revealed at night in any addition to what was stated in OP.

[Liosan]

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

Remove Vote


Vote Serc

[Liosan]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 April 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

In the night, the moans of zombies resounded up and down the stairwell. Each group cowered on their floors, some rushing from room to room, others taking the risk to travel the stairwells to keep an eye on the rival groups.

On one floor, a deadly pair stood over a sleeping figure, struck by its innocence, then left without committing the violence they intended.

Elsewhere, several zombies grabbed a Medic from where he stood over the fallen dog, ripping him to pieces on top of the corpse. A pair of figures appeared later, only to find their target already dead.

The third pair of violent humans poisoned a sleeping figure, but the healer of the group managed to remove the poison before it could have any affect.

In another place, a group of zombies inexplicably fought and failed to kill their mark, killing human after human but never finding the true target.

Silanah (Shinrei) is dead. He was Medic Irwin Wade of the BurnBridgers.

It is now day 2, the clock is frozen.

If he has a limited bullet proof and an extra ability, he could be a finder of DRs and know that his BP was used up. Which would put him as the highlighted one above (I agree with whoever said the priest only gives someone extra DR not directly prevents a zombie attack).

You are referring to your colored text, the "innocent" one. It states that their violence was not carried out. Not that it failed. That person would probably not notice anything, themselves. No telling though. Only someone that wasn't faction would be unaware of the method that your DR is revealed at night in any addition to what was stated in OP.

Considering the dog was one of the characters with a BP (and as Twelve pointed out, who would want to kill someone sooooo cute), I would think that a loss of a BP could be construed as innocence.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. The clock has been frozen with 35 Hours and 59 Minutes remaining.
30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan )
1 Vote for Fener ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Kalse ( Shelthata Lore )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Serc ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Serc]

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

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Vote Serc

So you're voting for me because you think I'm trying to get people to go after zombies instead of factions? Did you just totally not read my post that basically has already said EXACTLY what you just said?

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

snip

snip

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Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

Quote

Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

[Serc]

It's odd that you would vote for me,Liosan, if you are suggesting we finish off factions. Because we can almost guarantee that Galain is not only faction, but an already weakened BurnBridger.

For you to vote for me with that logic it would mean you either misread what I said, or you're either Zombie or BB.

[Serc]

I only withheld votes based on everyone insisting we vote for low posters. Are you trying to take our minds off of an Ampelas or Kalse lynch?

[Serc]

Liosan has now become the most suspicious player to me, and unless we continue with a low poster lynch, I'll be voting Liosan,

Vote Ampelas

[Meanas]

Good day, got a lot to catch up on, I will be around for the next few hours. I may post as I read up so apologies for repeating anything that may have been said or pointed out.

[Liosan]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

It's odd that you would vote for me,Liosan, if you are suggesting we finish off factions. Because we can almost guarantee that Galain is not only faction, but an already weakened BurnBridger.

For you to vote for me with that logic it would mean you either misread what I said, or you're either Zombie or BB.

If you read the posts that were written, you would note that I already think Galain is a deadman walking (because of his leader status and the Lone Avenger VCs).

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Liosan has now become the most suspicious player to me, and unless we continue with a low poster lynch, I'll be voting Liosan,

Vote Ampelas

Interesting statement. Classic throw suspicion on someone without backing it up with a vote. Reassures me you are someone that needs to be lynched. If I am wrong that you are human faction, you are being a manipulative bastard. Either way, a lynch of you is a win.

[Serc]

When I first suggested that perhaps Galain was a BurnBridger, and maybe we should continue to hit an already weakened faction, Liosan was one of the first to defend this with this post:

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

Now he's changing his tune saying we should go for HUMAN FACTIONS just not BurnBridgers? Its not definate Galain was the Faction Lead like someone already pointed out, but its VERY LIKELY he is at least a BurnBridger.


Then you're saying to vote for me, whom you presume is a RANDOM human faction, but you're SURE im not in yours? How do you know? Your defense of wanting us to lynch a highly likely BurnBridger, but at the same time saying we need to take out Human Factions, and the voting for me whom you someone know is NOT in your faction. You are almost guaranteed to ALSO be a BurnBridger, if not Zombie. There could be no other reason.

You have two different stances it seems. Typical of someone with alts with different thinking? You either have alts thats confusing you or DEF a BurnBridger.

If the lynch of Ampelas fails Liosan would make an absolute BEST lynch. For if Galain is BB Faction Lead, then he's(LIOSAN) more than likely one of their killers. And if he's trying to get us to NOT vote for zombies all of a sudden, then that is also odd.

At this point its Liosan if not Ampelas. Easy.


EDIT: Added (Liosan) to make it more clear.

This post has been edited by Serc: 30 April 2012 - 09:51 AM