[Emurlahn]

Ruse, on 27 April 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Ahh right. Cool. Any particular reason, or are we just going with 'day 1 gut feelings'?

Read up. You have a brain i'm sure you can see it. Mr Probe you are. Anything you want to add for yourself?

[Emurlahn]

This is the start of it all. Just Look. It's early day one. Galain gets huffy that he looks like he is defending Sorrit. Then Tulas says the attack by Meanas is more suspicious!!!

Tulas Shorn, on 26 April 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 26 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy

Brainzzzzz!!!! Yeah only 24 players in the game so do you think PS got the numbers wrong or have you just brain farted??

The opening post says there are 31 players still alive.

Hrm, the plot thickens. There are only 24 people in the signup thread, and JLV said he could take up to 27 people.

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

Meanas, on 26 April 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

I've noticed that too. So what are Sorrit and Galain on about?

If you look I was being sarcastic. I think Sorrit just mis read that the OP. It happens

Meanas, on 26 April 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

Meanas, on 26 April 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

I've noticed that too. So what are Sorrit and Galain on about?

If you look I was being sarcastic. I think Sorrit just mis read that the OP. It happens

Defending your master perchance?

Vote Sorrit

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

No i'm not. It just looks like an innocent mistake! Whatever if you think they'd make a mistake this early in the game.

Tulas Shorn, on 26 April 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Interesting... so it looks like we have 10 zombies? Which would make the odds a wee bit better for our shambling friends.

Also, geez, really? Meanas, your attack looks more suspicious to me than anything Sorrit or Galain have done. This early in the game, how do you have any indication of what team either of them are on? What if they are on your team?

Then there is something later on, let's have a looksie.

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 26 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy

Brainzzzzz!!!! Yeah only 24 players in the game so do you think PS got the numbers wrong or have you just brain farted??

The opening post says there are 31 players still alive.

I thought there looked like an awful lot of names listed in the OP. I just brushed it off as there were 24 players which is more than usual, without actually looking at the number posted by PS.

So the game starts with 9 zombies? So one player needs to post in 5 seperate alts and the other needs to post in 4? Man if that is true this is a great time to lynch the low posters. That would be impossible for me to manage if that is the case. I don't know of too many people that would be able to do that.

Low posting might be something to look for, I agree.

Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Telas, on 26 April 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Telas is accounted for! Good to see people are getting suspicious on day one already.

Fener, on 26 April 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

Present! Bow to your overlord Fener the Friendly, Tyrant Steve! (not really)

Korvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I am here.

Silanah, on 26 April 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Vote Fener

Too easy?

I've been on this forum too long, my first thought when I saw brainzzzzzz was "Abyss"....

This is too easy. We found our first group of zombies right here.

Remove vote

vote fener

You could be on to something here. Let's get him before he comes back on! All agree?

Vote Fener

Tulas Shorn, on 26 April 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Mkay, so looking at the people Sorrit pointed out; Telas, Fener, Korvalain and Silanah in the first group and Telas, Olar Ethil, Ruse, Osseric and Eloth in the second.

Ruse actually signed in several hours before the post that was quoted.
Telas, Korvalain and Silanah have had significantly more posts than the others, although their contrbutions tend to be one to two lines. They have all contributed to the discussions about mechanics and suspicious behaviour.
Osseric has had relatively few posts, but what he has said tends to be much longer, a paragraph or two rather than a few lines.
The ones I see as suspicious: Fener, Olar Ethil, Eloth and to a lesser extent, Ruse. None of these players has contributed anything to the discussion going on. While low posting is not unusual, what does stand out is that Olar and Eloth were signing in and Ruse was signing out around the same time.

Also, there are still be a bunch of people we haven't heard from yet.

They are agreeable with each other and at least two out of the three have voted together. I just think Tulas maybe the bigger fish.

[Emurlahn]

I'm out for now it's getting late!

[Ruse]

Okay, so it is just day 1 stuff then. Cool.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 57 minutes remaining
32 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

17 votes to lynch, 16 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Fener ( Sorrit, Galain )
1 Vote for Omtose ( Serc )
3 Votes for Tulas Shorn ( Anomandaris, Silanah, Emurlahn )
3 Votes for Sorrit ( Meanas, Korvalain, Liosan )
1 Vote for Serc ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Karosis )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Korbas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Galain]

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

22 named roles (6x3 for human factions and 4 unfactioned humans) and 24 people signed up, with 32 alts. It seems to me that the obvious conclusion we can draw is that the zombies have 1 main alt and 4 'alt-alts' each, for a total of 5 alts controlled by a single person. If each zombie is worth 1 DR, that would allow them to currently Kill anyone in the game except the leaders of each faction, but only recruit a smaller number of people. I consider that the current WCS for non-zombies. If JLV left out one or two of the random unaffiliated players, the zombie's efficiency goes way down, unless they can talk to each other (which I doubt). Of course if you REALLY want to start speculating, you could also think that the 'Survivor' role might have more than one alt as well, since it is listed as 'very time consuming' whereas the Zombie roles are not... or it could be a FM if you want to get really paranoid.

Zombies are a threat to everyone else in the game, whereas the other factions/people are not, per say, a threat to each other. Of course I don't know everyones' VCs so I might be off on that.

The victory conditions are in the OP so I don't see how you can miss that. Each faction has to be the last one alive, each individual has his own VC. This post seems off to me.

[Galain]

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

Korbas, on 27 April 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

@Serc- it is still unclear, though there were several mechanic related theories on thread earlier. Though I am of the opinion that one player controls a zombie block, with potential SH helpers to post in the several alts, but ultimately the player will choose the NA, not the mod. So if each Zom-boss (go with it, it's fun and easy!) controls 4 zombies, they would be able to overwhelm anyone with a DR of 3 now, and recruit anyone less than DR of 2 (ie. any independent or 4/6ths of the human factions). For the people saying they do not see the undead threat, it is there. This game is going to be a blood-bath...

I think you're onto something. These mechanics you're suggesting would help fill some holes in our theories and would enable the attacks to work in a defined way. But there's not enough zombies, seemingly, to do enough damage as is, so there must be some kind of system for them growing in numbers.
I mean if we all chose not to Lynch anyone ever would that mean we need not fear zombies? But then no one would ever win.
They're gonna get some of US somehow but I'm hoping we do have some chance in these attacks. Although I'm guessing the first couple attacks might be unavoidable.
I suggest we keep the right people alive at least at first.

And who, pray tell, are the right people? Also, the zombies are most likely able to recruit right away, especially if they are hitting one of the lower DR roles. How would zombie attacks be 'unavoidable'? Why do you think there isn't enough Zombies to do 'damage'? Why are you trying to downplay the Zombies (which are cults)?

Who knows who are the right people. No one does yet. The question is would it bother you if we figured it out? Would it make your role harder? And I already explained this in an above post, but I never meant to imply they would be avoidable. Only survivable.
Sorry for the confusion.

Then why the fuck would you say 'I suggest we keep the right people alive at least at first'? Who are the right people? I'm not asking for Alts, I'm asking for you to go look at the beginning of the thread, where there is a role list. Who do you consider 'the right people'? I'm going to guess the faction leader, the ones that add +1 DR to their factions, and the faction killers, right? Fabulous. Now show me the 12 alts that make up that list and I promise not to vote for any of them.

So you did read the OP BUT you don't know the VC's?

I'm a little confused here.

[Tulas Shorn]

All of the issues with Meanas' post I have been over already. I still, and always will, think it is bad reasoning that because one person defends another they must be on the same team.

I'm a little confused that you think Sorrit and I are the same person simply because I seem to be agreeing with him. You said yourself that you find yourself liking my posts, does that mean we are the same person? Or even on the same team?

In terms of the post you quoted, I did say in a later post that the results were inconclusive. I thought it was worth looking into at the time, and no one else seemed interested in Sorrit's idea. While I agree that there will be more information later in the game, there was not much going on regarding possible lynches, and I thought it was worth bringing something to the table.

Sorry this has taken a long time to write up, I'm posting from work

[Galain]

There is nothing going on between Sorrit and I. I agree with what he has said so far but that's it. I'm more suspicious of Kaschan failing to read the OP properly and Fener because he is Fener.

[Galain]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

All of the issues with Meanas' post I have been over already. I still, and always will, think it is bad reasoning that because one person defends another they must be on the same team.

I'm a little confused that you think Sorrit and I are the same person simply because I seem to be agreeing with him. You said yourself that you find yourself liking my posts, does that mean we are the same person? Or even on the same team?

In terms of the post you quoted, I did say in a later post that the results were inconclusive. I thought it was worth looking into at the time, and no one else seemed interested in Sorrit's idea. While I agree that there will be more information later in the game, there was not much going on regarding possible lynches, and I thought it was worth bringing something to the table.

Sorry this has taken a long time to write up, I'm posting from work

Are you speaking to me? I don't think you are the same person.

[Galain]

Tulas what do you make of Kaschan?

[Omtose]

Korbas, on 27 April 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

Is it rape if they are already dead?



edit: @Karosis and the zombie-raping necrophiliac, if you didn't read that inside voice speech. Also redundant, by the way.

Yes.

He says, mysteriously.

[Omtose]

I'm a little confused as to what Serc is trying to get at with his stating that Kaschan slipped up. To me it just looks like baiting - and to be fair, it's baiting that's working judging from Kaschan's reaction. Right now I like one of those two as a lynch target. I'm not sure if Serc is being too obvious, or if that's the point. But as someone said already, if they were controlling multiple alts, it would make sense to have at least one hanging out there in the spotlight. Hmmm, who said that?

[Serc]

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Im guessing Ill be the first meal?

Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!

Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.

Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.

The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.

But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.

Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.

My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.

Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.

Either way I cant see a better option for day one.

remove vote

vote Kaschan

Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors

[Omtose]

Ruse, on 27 April 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

Right, so I'm still quite interested in the zombie dynamics, I'd imagine that the zombies are going to be working really hard to differentiate their alts from each other, as well possibly have a bait alt (which I totally would do, if I was one of them, it would be awesome fun). The reason I say this is partially because there's a possibility Serc and Thyr are messing around the way they are and Serc's comment about zombies not being dangerous is seems a provoking statement to make in a game where they're killers and cult.

I was also rereading the DR stuff and was wondering about how far the zombie stacking thing will go. If someone's DR rating is high and they get hit by a (semi-guarded/dead/whatever) killer pair as well as a zombie or two, how would that affect the killing/recruitment of that player? I guess it would depend on how many zombies target the player, and what the order of actions is.

Ugh, with so many alt this game it's going to be hell to keep track of who is saying what.

Ah, it was Ruse. Now I'm wondering whether Ruse and Serc might be the same person.

[Thyrllan]

[HEAVENLY MUSIC PLAYS - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!]




Thyrllan, on a mission to make his alt the new Fener.


Also, game-wise, I don't like Serc, but I like his style.

Vote Kaschan

[Tulas Shorn]

Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

All of the issues with Meanas' post I have been over already. I still, and always will, think it is bad reasoning that because one person defends another they must be on the same team.

I'm a little confused that you think Sorrit and I are the same person simply because I seem to be agreeing with him. You said yourself that you find yourself liking my posts, does that mean we are the same person? Or even on the same team?

In terms of the post you quoted, I did say in a later post that the results were inconclusive. I thought it was worth looking into at the time, and no one else seemed interested in Sorrit's idea. While I agree that there will be more information later in the game, there was not much going on regarding possible lynches, and I thought it was worth bringing something to the table.

Sorry this has taken a long time to write up, I'm posting from work

Are you speaking to me? I don't think you are the same person.

Sorry, that was aimed at Emurlahn, who seems to think we are...

[Serc]

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I think Serc would be the best lynch target today, but I'll be back before time out in case my vote is needed somewhere else.

Later!

Because he'll be posting on his alt(s) instead. Just another reason for backing my choice of Kaschan.

[Thyrllan]

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I think Serc would be the best lynch target today, but I'll be back before time out in case my vote is needed somewhere else.

Later!

Because he'll be posting on his alt(s) instead. Just another reason for backing my choice of Kaschan.

You're like a pitbull, man