[Ruse]

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

If it's not the voodoo guy in the first scene then who is it? The figure thing screams voodoo to me.

Did you read my post?

Yeap, reread and missed that bit. Zombies now carry around little figurines to communicate with each other. That's far-fetched.

[Eloth]

Apologies, but it was day two where Korbas nails what I now conlcude is the set-up. He speculates about it on day one.

Day one:

Korbas, on 27 April 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

@Serc- it is still unclear, though there were several mechanic related theories on thread earlier. Though I am of the opinion that one player controls a zombie block, with potential SH helpers to post in the several alts, but ultimately the player will choose the NA, not the mod. So if each Zom-boss (go with it, it's fun and easy!) controls 4 zombies, they would be able to overwhelm anyone with a DR of 3 now, and recruit anyone less than DR of 2 (ie. any independent or 4/6ths of the human factions). For the people saying they do not see the undead threat, it is there. This game is going to be a blood-bath...

Day two:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas




EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

You've got it wrong. Here is my train of logic, I believe that the zombies present the biggest current threat, so understanding their mechanics is an important element to figure out early. If there are 22 named roles, and 24 sign-ups, that means 2 of the sign-ups had to be roled zombie. That said, there are 8 additional alts beyond the 24 sign-ups. You following so far? If we assume WCS, then those 8 are all zombie alts, and I'd imagine 4 go to each rolled zombie. Given that it is unlikely that the one roled played would be forced to post in each of the alts, someone in probably helping with that, but to avoid interfering in the game, they would have no say in the NA. So with that train of logic, I end up with a zombie faction of 5, the 1 roled player and the extra 4 alts. At this point, which I think we can all agree on (I think the survivor having alts idea is silly), the question is whether the roled player counts in the group. If so, zombies kill DR 4 and recruit DR 3. If not, zombies kill DR 3 and recruit DR 2.


Earlier yesterday, I wasn't thinking WCS. After the NK I was, which is why my numbers changed slightly. I was already thinking that the Priest could add DR (which is why I jumped on Fener mentioning who he thought the priest was on thread), and if the recent speculation regarding the DR manipulator is also valid there would be at least 4 people able to increase DR. I guess I'm just slightly confusd on the numbers, cause it could go either way, and remains to be seen.

[Telas]

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

Either that, or a zombie-only BP. But, if it's not the priest, it would mean that there is: A) Someone with the ability to control zombies and Someone with the ability to communicate and influence them.

The second person could, in theory, be the Survivor.

"Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends`

He manipulated, lied and cheated the zombies into believing he could lead them to a great, meaty and brainy feast, while the Voodoo Master defended himself with a zombie distraction.

That's my thinking as well. Anyway, interesting as it is to argue I fail to see how this is supposed to help us.

[Eloth]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

If it's not the voodoo guy in the first scene then who is it? The figure thing screams voodoo to me.

Did you read my post?

Yeap, reread and missed that bit. Zombies now carry around little figurines to communicate with each other. That's far-fetched.

So if it was the voodoo master attacked in scene one, then who was attacked in scene two? Or did two zombie attacks target the same person with completely different outcomes?

[Eloth]

oops, X-post

[Telas]

Ooh, nice thinking. It might be that they attacked the same target, yet they were two different packs. Although the "entire zombie force, the hivemind" (or something like this, don't have the tab open) thing still nags at me. Is it two individual hiveminds, or one overhivemind that controls both parties?

[Eloth]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

Either that, or a zombie-only BP. But, if it's not the priest, it would mean that there is: A) Someone with the ability to control zombies and Someone with the ability to communicate and influence them.

The second person could, in theory, be the Survivor.

"Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends`

He manipulated, lied and cheated the zombies into believing he could lead them to a great, meaty and brainy feast, while the Voodoo Master defended himself with a zombie distraction.

That's my thinking as well. Anyway, interesting as it is to argue I fail to see how this is supposed to help us.

You don't think that knowing whether or not the zombies all knew each other prior to the start of the game os useful knowledge when looking for them?

[Ruse]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

Wait, so now zombie controllers are human? If that's what Eloth is suggesting that's... interesting. Since the only infomation PS gave us about the zombie roles is that they're zombie killers and recuiters, if I recall correctly

[Ruse]

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

Either that, or a zombie-only BP. But, if it's not the priest, it would mean that there is: A) Someone with the ability to control zombies and Someone with the ability to communicate and influence them.

The second person could, in theory, be the Survivor.

"Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends`

He manipulated, lied and cheated the zombies into believing he could lead them to a great, meaty and brainy feast, while the Voodoo Master defended himself with a zombie distraction.

That's my thinking as well. Anyway, interesting as it is to argue I fail to see how this is supposed to help us.

You don't think that knowing whether or not the zombies all knew each other prior to the start of the game os useful knowledge when looking for them?

And that's what you're trying to prove? Is it just because I'm tired or are you all over the place? Anyway, I'm heading off, I'll be back in a couple of hours.

[Telas]

Ruse, they don't have to be human, it might be humans with the ability to control single zombies.

[Atrahal]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

Wait, so now zombie controllers are human? If that's what Eloth is suggesting that's... interesting. Since the only infomation PS gave us about the zombie roles is that they're zombie killers and recuiters, if I recall correctly

The most likely explanation, as was stated probably about fifty times, is that there is one zombie "master" controlling a zombie "squad".

[Eloth]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

Wait, so now zombie controllers are human? If that's what Eloth is suggesting that's... interesting. Since the only infomation PS gave us about the zombie roles is that they're zombie killers and recuiters, if I recall correctly

I can't see where I ever suggested that they were human, that is Telas putting words in my mouth.

[Telas]

Especially since the zombies so far show up as "Horde" instead of actual names, meaning they are stock characters and that we haven't actually taken a zomboss down yet.

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

Wait, so now zombie controllers are human? If that's what Eloth is suggesting that's... interesting. Since the only infomation PS gave us about the zombie roles is that they're zombie killers and recuiters, if I recall correctly

I can't see where I ever suggested that they were human, that is Telas putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting the words in your mouth, it's my own speculations.

[Eloth]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

Either that, or a zombie-only BP. But, if it's not the priest, it would mean that there is: A) Someone with the ability to control zombies and Someone with the ability to communicate and influence them.

The second person could, in theory, be the Survivor.

"Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends`

He manipulated, lied and cheated the zombies into believing he could lead them to a great, meaty and brainy feast, while the Voodoo Master defended himself with a zombie distraction.

That's my thinking as well. Anyway, interesting as it is to argue I fail to see how this is supposed to help us.

You don't think that knowing whether or not the zombies all knew each other prior to the start of the game os useful knowledge when looking for them?

And that's what you're trying to prove? Is it just because I'm tired or are you all over the place? Anyway, I'm heading off, I'll be back in a couple of hours.

There were three points to bringing this up:

1. end the speculation posts about the voodoo master being able to control zombies
2. make sure those looking for zombie connections in the early game know that the zombies groups did not know each other
3. the point that has been completely ignored - that someone else had this nailed way before we had any evidence of it on thread and when everyone else was pretty much against the idea

[Eloth]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ruse, the zombies don´t carry the figurines, an unknown human does. And the figurine allows you to control zombies/protects you from zombies by launching Zombie-to-Zombie missiles.

Wait, so now zombie controllers are human? If that's what Eloth is suggesting that's... interesting. Since the only infomation PS gave us about the zombie roles is that they're zombie killers and recuiters, if I recall correctly

I can't see where I ever suggested that they were human, that is Telas putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting the words in your mouth, it's my own speculations.

Sorry, I paid more attention to Ruse's post than the actual quote. I can see how you meant it after rereading.

[Anthras]

I'm still not sure why we are assuming a "zombie boss"

each zombie player has 5 alts. I don't expect to get a CF untill we get rid of the fifth alt.

Also, i wasn't really around to criticise this, but why did we drom the "person with small figure=voodoo priest" theory in favour of it being a regular priest?

iirc, that suggestion came fro Serc, who's not exactly the most trustworthy source out there.

[Kaschan]

I'm busy, but I just caught up and I really want to say that does it strike anyone else as odd that Atrahal and Eloth always show up at the same time? I really didn't like Atrahal's drive by vote on Korv yesterday either, although he certainly wasn't the only one to do it. I'm going to try to find more time later to go back and look at the interaction between these two, but for now,

Vote Atrahal

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 32 hours and 27 minutes remaining
22 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

12 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Kaschan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Korbas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn