[Ruse]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

I wonder if Eloth is the one controlling four other drones, it would explain why they didn't submit a night action.

The kill list i submitted for last night was Atrahal, Spite, Kalse, in descending order. Since Atrahal wasn't lynched, i'll just assume i got my out-of-nowhere seizure while trying to kill him. Now, i'm a bit vague and will definately do a re-re-read tomorrow, but has there been any suspicion towards Atrahal?

Eloth or Olar Ethil is my guess. They've not 50 posts between them either.

Well, neither have i. I think.

Pretty sure you're in the top 5 posters

[Omtose]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Hmm, that's more than I thought.

Anyway, Eloth's the only one who didn't post after day ended last night.

I have to check back on this, but when Eloth posted straight after night ended, I felt like it wasn't the first time that he had done that. I know that's not the same point which you're making, but it could be something to look for. I'll have to check back though.

[Spite]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

I wonder if Eloth is the one controlling four other drones, it would explain why they didn't submit a night action.

The kill list i submitted for last night was Atrahal, Spite, Kalse, in descending order. Since Atrahal wasn't lynched, i'll just assume i got my out-of-nowhere seizure while trying to kill him. Now, i'm a bit vague and will definately do a re-re-read tomorrow, but has there been any suspicion towards Atrahal?

Eloth or Olar Ethil is my guess. They've not 50 posts between them either.

Well, neither have i. I think.

Maybe someone will do a find on Atrahal tonight......yes you(person with a finder ability)......

[Telas]

Say what? No way, i've missed 30+ hours of posting, i'm in the top 5 of lowest posters. Also, all of my posts are single-liners because i don't like typing out whole paragraphs that basically say the same line after line, unless i have something important to say i can't say in a single line of text.

[Telas]

Yeah, i'm going to read all of Atrahal's posts and see if i can find anything, or any suspicious behaviour.

[Ruse]

Serc 162
Ruse 107
Path-Shaper 92
Telas 86
Kaschan 60
Tulas Shorn 60
Omtose 58
Korvalain 51
Spite 47
Sorrit 44
Tellan 43
Thyrllan 42
Galain 37
Meanas 37
Anomandaris 36
Tennes 35
Rashan 32
Anthras 31
Fener 27
Sheltatha Lore 26
Osseric 26
Liosan 25
Eloth 25
Ampelas 24
Mockra 23
Korbas 22
Olar Ethil 22
Silanah 17
Kalse 17
Emurlahn 15
Atrahal 15
Karosis 15
D'riss 12

[Spite]

Well my nice window of time to play is drawing to a close.... God I miss being able to have the time to play. I will be back for a quick read up and post in 6-8 hrs then off to work. with a quick moment after work before going out to see the Avengers with a friend. Watched it off the torrents already. good time I recommend it.

[Ruse]

Now slightly dated, because it took a little while to cross out

[Omtose]

Omtose, on 04 May 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Hmm, that's more than I thought.

Anyway, Eloth's the only one who didn't post after day ended last night.

I have to check back on this, but when Eloth posted straight after night ended, I felt like it wasn't the first time that he had done that. I know that's not the same point which you're making, but it could be something to look for. I'll have to check back though.

Ah no, I was wrong. He wasn't around anywhere near the end of night 1, though he was after night 2. But it means nothing now, if it ever did.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

From the previous night post.

So, the Witch Doctor apparantly has the ability to control zombies. Or something.

Can we be done with the posts about this being the voodoo master? Sorry, but I am certain other players have come to the same conclusion I have from that scene and that we are all holding our tongues because the zombie masters haven't figured it out yet. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that I have figured out what was actually going on, that the zombie masters have as well and that Korbas is one shifty looking character.

Here are the relevant portions of the PS post:

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger.

If you pay attention to the wording, one group of zombies attacked someone. That person then summoned a zombie from somewhere else to aid. Both one of the zombies in the attacking group and the zombie that was called to aid die. When the second group of zombies attack they are one short, meaning the one called to defend was part of the second group.

It should be obvious that the second person attacked was the voodoo master, not the first.

So they way it should actually be read is that one pack of zombies attacked the person controlling the other pack of zombies. The one attacked was able to summon one of his minions to defend himself.

That said, it should be clear then that the two zombie factions did not know each other to start the game. So anyone who is going over the early game looking for connections to the now totally dead zombies should bear that in mind.

It also means that Korbas pretty much nailed the zombie mechanics on day one in more detail than I would expect anyone without inside knowledge to be able to. Almost as if he were fishing for the other zombie faction to respond.

The only other interpretations I see as reasonable are that the first person attacked was the priest or survivor (a small figure in his hands fits in with the priest and manipulate fits in with the survivor description, but I see both as farfetched at this point).

[Atrahal]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, i'm going to read all of Atrahal's posts and see if i can find anything, or any suspicious behaviour.

Yes, develop a stellar case. Maybe you can count the number of times I use the word "the" in this game?

[Eloth]

Omtose, on 04 May 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Hmm, that's more than I thought.

Anyway, Eloth's the only one who didn't post after day ended last night.

I have to check back on this, but when Eloth posted straight after night ended, I felt like it wasn't the first time that he had done that. I know that's not the same point which you're making, but it could be something to look for. I'll have to check back though.

That could be possible, the last night I was around for part of night and the end of night. Like most I am not keen on making serious posts/cases cases at night.

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

From the previous night post.

So, the Witch Doctor apparantly has the ability to control zombies. Or something.

Can we be done with the posts about this being the voodoo master? Sorry, but I am certain other players have come to the same conclusion I have from that scene and that we are all holding our tongues because the zombie masters haven't figured it out yet. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that I have figured out what was actually going on, that the zombie masters have as well and that Korbas is one shifty looking character.

Here are the relevant portions of the PS post:

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger.

If you pay attention to the wording, one group of zombies attacked someone. That person then summoned a zombie from somewhere else to aid. Both one of the zombies in the attacking group and the zombie that was called to aid die. When the second group of zombies attack they are one short, meaning the one called to defend was part of the second group.

It should be obvious that the second person attacked was the voodoo master, not the first.

So they way it should actually be read is that one pack of zombies attacked the person controlling the other pack of zombies. The one attacked was able to summon one of his minions to defend himself.

That said, it should be clear then that the two zombie factions did not know each other to start the game. So anyone who is going over the early game looking for connections to the now totally dead zombies should bear that in mind.

It also means that Korbas pretty much nailed the zombie mechanics on day one in more detail than I would expect anyone without inside knowledge to be able to. Almost as if he were fishing for the other zombie faction to respond.

The only other interpretations I see as reasonable are that the first person attacked was the priest or survivor (a small figure in his hands fits in with the priest and manipulate fits in with the survivor description, but I see both as farfetched at this point).

Hmm, interesting. I totally forgot about the Priest. "Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies" does sound like it fits the description, but why did the second zombie attack? Say, the first man attacked was in fact the Priest, and he protected himself against the zombies, and i doubt the way he protects himself against zombies is by hurling zombies at them. Or, alternatively, the first man attacked could be the Voodoo Master, while the second man was the Priest, and his blessing manipulated them into leaving him alone.

[Telas]

Atrahal, on 04 May 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Yeah, i'm going to read all of Atrahal's posts and see if i can find anything, or any suspicious behaviour.

Yes, develop a stellar case. Maybe you can count the number of times I use the word "the" in this game?

Well, you have a surprisingly low post. You don't post for the first few pages because you couldn't access Hood's Path, then you post twice or thrice, and disappear for the next ten pages. Then you make a few semi-content-y posts, and disappear for a few pages, before resurfacing towards page thirty.

I doubt you said the word "the" more than twenty times.

[Telas]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

From the previous night post.

So, the Witch Doctor apparantly has the ability to control zombies. Or something.

Can we be done with the posts about this being the voodoo master? Sorry, but I am certain other players have come to the same conclusion I have from that scene and that we are all holding our tongues because the zombie masters haven't figured it out yet. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that I have figured out what was actually going on, that the zombie masters have as well and that Korbas is one shifty looking character.

Here are the relevant portions of the PS post:

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger.

If you pay attention to the wording, one group of zombies attacked someone. That person then summoned a zombie from somewhere else to aid. Both one of the zombies in the attacking group and the zombie that was called to aid die. When the second group of zombies attack they are one short, meaning the one called to defend was part of the second group.

It should be obvious that the second person attacked was the voodoo master, not the first.

So they way it should actually be read is that one pack of zombies attacked the person controlling the other pack of zombies. The one attacked was able to summon one of his minions to defend himself.

That said, it should be clear then that the two zombie factions did not know each other to start the game. So anyone who is going over the early game looking for connections to the now totally dead zombies should bear that in mind.

It also means that Korbas pretty much nailed the zombie mechanics on day one in more detail than I would expect anyone without inside knowledge to be able to. Almost as if he were fishing for the other zombie faction to respond.

The only other interpretations I see as reasonable are that the first person attacked was the priest or survivor (a small figure in his hands fits in with the priest and manipulate fits in with the survivor description, but I see both as farfetched at this point).

Hmm, interesting. I totally forgot about the Priest. "Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies" does sound like it fits the description, but why did the second zombie attack? Say, the first man attacked was in fact the Priest, and he protected himself against the zombies, and i doubt the way he protects himself against zombies is by hurling zombies at them. Or, alternatively, the first man attacked could be the Voodoo Master, while the second man was the Priest, and his blessing manipulated them into leaving him alone.

But, myself, the part where there would be a greater feast made no sense if the second person were the priest, and i do not think the priest has the ability to summon zombies.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

From the previous night post.

So, the Witch Doctor apparantly has the ability to control zombies. Or something.

Can we be done with the posts about this being the voodoo master? Sorry, but I am certain other players have come to the same conclusion I have from that scene and that we are all holding our tongues because the zombie masters haven't figured it out yet. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that I have figured out what was actually going on, that the zombie masters have as well and that Korbas is one shifty looking character.

Here are the relevant portions of the PS post:

Path-Shaper, on 02 May 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger.

If you pay attention to the wording, one group of zombies attacked someone. That person then summoned a zombie from somewhere else to aid. Both one of the zombies in the attacking group and the zombie that was called to aid die. When the second group of zombies attack they are one short, meaning the one called to defend was part of the second group.

It should be obvious that the second person attacked was the voodoo master, not the first.

So they way it should actually be read is that one pack of zombies attacked the person controlling the other pack of zombies. The one attacked was able to summon one of his minions to defend himself.

That said, it should be clear then that the two zombie factions did not know each other to start the game. So anyone who is going over the early game looking for connections to the now totally dead zombies should bear that in mind.

It also means that Korbas pretty much nailed the zombie mechanics on day one in more detail than I would expect anyone without inside knowledge to be able to. Almost as if he were fishing for the other zombie faction to respond.

The only other interpretations I see as reasonable are that the first person attacked was the priest or survivor (a small figure in his hands fits in with the priest and manipulate fits in with the survivor description, but I see both as farfetched at this point).

Hmm, interesting. I totally forgot about the Priest. "Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies" does sound like it fits the description, but why did the second zombie attack? Say, the first man attacked was in fact the Priest, and he protected himself against the zombies, and i doubt the way he protects himself against zombies is by hurling zombies at them. Or, alternatively, the first man attacked could be the Voodoo Master, while the second man was the Priest, and his blessing manipulated them into leaving him alone.

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

[Atrahal]

Ok...the way I see it, you are all wondering who did what on what nights. I can only assume this will help you determine who was given each role. But now assume that every character, every night, has performed a NA. Therefore, reading what actually happened can help you figure out whose actions actually followed through. While that may be interesting to individual parties, this information is not going to help the humans as a whole if we are not going to tell each other our thoughts on our own personal actions. This is, of course, out of the question. This is Mafia, after all. I don't trust any of you farther than I can throw you (not too far). So why are we insisting on trying to interpret the resolutions? Please enlighten me.

[Ruse]

If it's not the voodoo guy in the first scene then who is it? The figure thing screams voodoo to me.

[Eloth]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

If it's not the voodoo guy in the first scene then who is it? The figure thing screams voodoo to me.

Did you read my post?

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 May 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Like I said, the idea that it was the priest who was attacked in the first scene was farfetched. I can't see that it was the priest being attacked in the second scene. My opinion is that the priest protection ability is adding DR.

Either that, or a zombie-only BP. But, if it's not the priest, it would mean that there is: A) Someone with the ability to control zombies and Someone with the ability to communicate and influence them.

The second person could, in theory, be the Survivor.

"Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends`

He manipulated, lied and cheated the zombies into believing he could lead them to a great, meaty and brainy feast, while the Voodoo Master defended himself with a zombie distraction.