[dktorode]

D, on 07 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

dktorode, on 07 March 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

D, on 07 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

But if Macros is scum, why wouldn't the other scum have dropped their votes on Stalker and gotten a lynch while they could, rather than risk Macros being lynched? Doesn't make as much sense to me.

because their votes where already on stalker!?...

Not how scum usually operates, they usually sit back and let a train build and then pile on it. But it's possible. That means your scum are some combination of me, Bent, Macros and HD.

Either way, I would think the the scum were entirely or almost entirely on one train or the other. But, that's a bit of a moot point because we don't have enough players left that if Stalker/Macros come up town to lynch everyone on their train.

exactly....it makes no sense what happened yesterday unless one of the scum was either Maccy or Stalker and their partner(s) where on the other train unwilling to change to get the lynch!
I cannot see both Maccy and Stalker being inno...and scum not jumping from their current vote train to get a lynch!

understand?

[dktorode]

let me try and break it down for you.

at one point we had 2 people at L-1.

why, if they are both inno, would the scum not change votes from one train to the other at that point to get the lynch? It would not look scummy with time running out!
even when both where at L-2 it would have been feasible for two scum to lay the smack down "to get a lynch".

So it stands to reason that somebody somewhere was most likely unwilling to change his vote to get the lynch.
leaving it to simply go to night was a damn near sin with 2 nk's every night!!
Yet it happened...and I cant see innos just stalling it the way it did and not trying their darnedest to at least get a lynch no matter what!....its the only way we can kill scum for crying out loud!.


thats why i am betting that either stalker or maccy got to be scum.

[D'rek]

Fine by me.

[D'rek]

But now, lunch time! Back in roughly an hour.

[Stalker]

D, on 07 March 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

D, on 06 March 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

Vote Stalker

since I'm heading out soon, but Khell if you're going to be on for a while longer you should remove for now so he's not sitting at L-1, gets hammered by an itchy trigger finger and never gets to come back and defend himself. Who knows, maybe he'll reveal a day vig

Well honestly, I'd prefer not to reveal, but to stop the town from losing another (if I am even believed), I will. I, my friends, am the healer! No seriously, think about it. I've been contesting HD's claims that "there are no normal roles" even since he first said it, since I know that there are normal roles. Though I picked poorly last night on the 50/50 going with HD over Silencer (since Silencer's vig was still kinda sketchy). Even my last post hinted at it saying "I'm going to be a real life healer."

Do I expect you all to believe me? No, but I can hope that we stop the lynch and find someone who is actually scum.

This is stupid...

You never reveal healer. It's untestable and since healers can't heal themselves you benefit nobody when the scum kill you off the next night. If it's a fake reveal, you're going to make the real healer counter-reveal to out you.

This is a pretty common rule of thumb, like don't vote night. I can't see any possible reason you would do this as town

Whatever, there was a point, and it was to stop the lynch of an innocent player. Instead of losing 3 town yesterday, we only lost 2, which gives town a better chance today. Had the Macros lynch gone off, we probably would have only lost 1 town. I've said 100 times that healer is untestable, I know that, which is why I left clues. And there will be no fucking counter-reveal when the only real healer is already on thread. If anyone else claims to be a healer, they are lying and are scum.

Why wasn't I NKed? well either scum didn't believe me OR killers were already gone for the night and had no chance to change provisionals, cause who would put a provisional on the guy that was L-1? No one. The people who knew the reveal happened were Khell, Me, Ment, Bent, Obdi, JA, and Macros. So that category of people off thread includes D'rek, Dkt, and HD. Not saying that is the case but it is possible.

[dktorode]

is that it?


all you have to input stalker?...i see you have vanished from the thread now.
No attempt to look for scum..simple self preservation attemot and then "vanish" to see how things go right?

maybe this will stick a fire under your bum

Vote Stalker


looking back i see Ment and Obdi both where on with 5 minutes left and still didnt bother to change their votes and just let the time run out.
Knowing that 2 kills was coming and possibly even a loss with an outside chance of 4 scum left i cant see how this should have come to pass unless there is scum there.

[dktorode]

le sigh...


im off to make some chow....

[D'rek]

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Had the Macros lynch gone off, we probably would have only lost 1 town.

I seem to recall your only reason for voting Macros was the he wasn't you. And now you seem convinced he's a killer? When did you become so persuaded?

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

If anyone else claims to be a healer, they are lying and are scum.

Of course, because YOUR reveal is so obviously genuine but if anyone else does the exact same thing it is obvious that THEY are scum....?

[Stalker]

wow, sorry dkt, didn't realize I needed your permission to take a shower and eat after waking up. Next time I'll ask you, ok?



The next point I was going to make was to agree that since neither train went through, I'd bet one of us is scum. Since I know it isn't me, then Macros is likely one of the killers (this is where I am coming from D'rek). I really didn't like the SK fearmongering, but Obdi beat that horse to death. Looking at the trains below, it makes since that it would have stalled out, since the killers weren't on or weren't willing to kill macros. Your logic, dkt, makes sense regarding the lack of a lynch. Both Ment and Obdi had a chance to change to me (K0rbas left earlier), while Bent/JA (who was reading but never posted) could have swapped to Macros. Since Ment was town, by your logic, Bent and Obdi would be the ones ensuring no lynch occurred. I could see Bent being scum too, but I don't think obdi is.

Macros- Ment, Dkt, K0rbas, Me, Obdi
Me- Bent, Macros, HD, JA, D'rek

If I had to name my top 3, in no particular order, I'd go with Macros, Bent, and possibly D'rek. Interesting that they are all on me, instead of Maccy.

[dktorode]

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

wow, sorry dkt, didn't realize I needed your permission to take a shower and eat after waking up. Next time I'll ask you, ok?

you managed to post before that didnt you?


just calling it as i see it.

[dktorode]

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

The next point I was going to make was to agree that since neither train went through, I'd bet one of us is scum. Since I know it isn't me, then Macros is likely one of the killers (this is where I am coming from D'rek). I really didn't like the SK fearmongering, but Obdi beat that horse to death. Looking at the trains below, it makes since that it would have stalled out, since the killers weren't on or weren't willing to kill macros. Your logic, dkt, makes sense regarding the lack of a lynch. Both Ment and Obdi had a chance to change to me (K0rbas left earlier), while Bent/JA (who was reading but never posted) could have swapped to Macros. Since Ment was town, by your logic, Bent and Obdi would be the ones ensuring no lynch occurred. I could see Bent being scum too, but I don't think obdi is.

Macros- Ment, Dkt, K0rbas, Me, Obdi
Me- Bent, Macros, HD, JA, D'rek

If I had to name my top 3, in no particular order, I'd go with Macros, Bent, and possibly D'rek. Interesting that they are all on me, instead of Maccy.

This response is pretty much what i expected ... whether its the truth or not is another question.

just a rehash of my theory from your supposed inno perspective.
Makes sense. But then its supposed to right?...

either you or maccy....damn but which one!!??

[Stalker]

yeah yeah I get it. If I had time for one, I could have fit another post in too.

Meta-arguments withheld, today's lynch almost has to be between Macros and I, as I'm assuming that everyone believes one of us to be scum due to yesterday. The question then being how can I prove I'm town, which is the problem. I had 3 posts where I tried to hint at the role, but all together (aside from Ment and possibly obdi) it is impossible to prove and hard to believe, I get that.

[D'rek]

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

yeah yeah I get it. If I had time for one, I could have fit another post in too.

Meta-arguments withheld, today's lynch almost has to be between Macros and I, as I'm assuming that everyone believes one of us to be scum due to yesterday. The question then being how can I prove I'm town, which is the problem. I had 3 posts where I tried to hint at the role, but all together (aside from Ment and possibly obdi) it is impossible to prove and hard to believe, I get that.

Quoting those posts here might help your defense. Nobody wants to go wading through 100 pages of posts with nothing but "I totally hinted at it 3 times" as a guide to which posts you're even referring to...

[dktorode]

had a bitch of a day....knackered...going to bed.

[Macros]

morning

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 51 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Bent, D'rek, Dktorode, H.D., K0rbas, Macros, Obdigore, Stalker

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Stalker ( Macros, Dktorode )

Players not voted: Bent, D'rek, H.D., K0rbas, Obdigore, Stalker

[Macros]

Stalker, on 07 March 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

wow, sorry dkt, didn't realize I needed your permission to take a shower and eat after waking up. Next time I'll ask you, ok?



The next point I was going to make was to agree that since neither train went through, I'd bet one of us is scum. Since I know it isn't me, then Macros is likely one of the killers (this is where I am coming from D'rek). I really didn't like the SK fearmongering, but Obdi beat that horse to death. Looking at the trains below, it makes since that it would have stalled out, since the killers weren't on or weren't willing to kill macros. Your logic, dkt, makes sense regarding the lack of a lynch. Both Ment and Obdi had a chance to change to me (K0rbas left earlier), while Bent/JA (who was reading but never posted) could have swapped to Macros. Since Ment was town, by your logic, Bent and Obdi would be the ones ensuring no lynch occurred. I could see Bent being scum too, but I don't think obdi is.

Macros- Ment, Dkt, K0rbas, Me, Obdi
Me- Bent, Macros, HD, JA, D'rek

If I had to name my top 3, in no particular order, I'd go with Macros, Bent, and possibly D'rek. Interesting that they are all on me, instead of Maccy.

I wasn't aware that I was also at L-1, I thought I was -2, shows how good a reader I am.
Out of the 3 possible swaps (ruling out the dead ment) on your train, I think Korbas is your buddy and obdi your symp, and dkt is voting for you today. So I don't see why they would have jumped to me. I'm for work here now but will keep up on the reading

[Macros]

phone batts gona lie down soon, might be fit to get my charger at tea time

[Stalker]

Stalker, on 02 March 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

dktorode, on 02 March 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Thunder roared outside, causing the lights in my bar to flicker. Damn storm better not fuck up my bar.

The drunks had all quieted down. They seemed to be contemplating what they had done to that poor girl. She had surely frozen to death by now. Or she was blown away by the wind, hell if I know.

The thunder bellowed again, and the lights went out.

Maybe. . . 10 seconds we were in total darkness. 10 seconds of panicked breathing, talking in low tones, and two wet thumps.

When the lights flickered back on, two of the men were leaned back in their seats, brain pierced through the eyes with thin knives.

If I weren't scared for my own life, I would have sent them outside at gunpoint. But there's no keeping fourteen people in your sights all at once. As it was, I stayed behind my counter, away from the lunatics. I want to see my grand-kids grow up one day, don't look at me like that.

The Dude is dead. He was town.
Shinrei is dead. He was town.


14 Players still alive: Bent, Bubba, D'rek, Dktorode, Grief, H.D., Jump Around, K0rbas, Macros, Mentalist, Obdigore, Silencer, Stalker, Vengeance

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

It is Day 2. 32 hours remaining.
Players not voted: Bent, Bubba, D'rek, Dktorode, Grief, H.D., Jump Around, K0rbas, Macros, Mentalist, Obdigore, Silencer, Stalker, Vengeance

Hmm...
2 kills?...

I am assuming a vig.

And i am assuming it was on The dude.
He was one of my suspects for potential symp....tho if i where a vig i would have kept him around to see if i can spot his masters....meh

Might have been a vig, we'll find out night 2, ***pending guards/healers*** .


In regards to The Dude, who do you think he was symping then? He only really had the chance to interact with 4 people- JA, Grief, Macros, and Mentalist. Of the group, I think ment is the best bet, though it isn't a great argument since it is based on a post or two.

Here are 3 instances, I know there is a 4th, but couldn't find it. Here I just mention normal roles, if you look through the thread no one else mentions how they think normal roles are in play.

Stalker, on 04 March 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

there definitely is logic behind treating it a lynch, though perhaps it isn't necessary to use both vigs. I understand that using both would vpi both of you, but if both hit town, we are in trouble. I really doubt that town is stuck with only vigs for RIs, like I said it doesn't make sense. So assuming ****we have a healer, perhaps they would be willing to protect one of you.****** Personally, I'm much more inclined to accept HD's claim, and have silencer use his vig first.

I realize it is a risk trusting in a role that may not exist, but it seems better than the alternative of potentially losing 3 town members in the course of a single day, while having two potential town revealed in the same day. Not a good situation for us to be placed in.

Here, knowing I am the healer, I try to put the suggestion that we hold HDs vig to day 3 since I could and did protect him. As I feared, both he and Silencer wasted them.

D, on 06 March 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Stalker, on 06 March 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Hey guys, really sorry I haven't been around the last 24 hours. I've got time for 1 or 2 posts now before heading out for the next 12ish hours, cause the hotel internet blows with 1000000 people trying to use it, and I have med school interviews all day. Gotta learn to be a *** real life healer ****, so wish me luck.



That said, I dislike the enthusiasm for my train. It seems to be picking up speed, which has me worried, because the scum smell an easy lynch. I can hope that we've picked off their symps and it is only the two killers remaining, but can't assume that. Of the current votes, macros' is the most sketchy imo, in terms of scum piling on an easy train. Losing another 3 innos (me and 2 NKs) would put us at 7 left, with at least 2 being scum. So without a scum lynch today and tomorrow, there should only be 2 days left in the game. I will be home before day times out, so please try not to lynch me before then, so I can defend myself, and we can find the actual killer.

Another brilliant Stalker post. You know this is the veteran's game right? We are, in fact, aware of the concept of playing under the assumed WCS because everyone here has actually played mafia before (gasp!). A case might garner some votes because scum want to lynch someone? That's an amazing idea!

Stalker, maybe you could put some effort into actually playing the game instead of giving a newb tutorial...

Finally, the whole point of this post was the healer quip. The fluff that you were an ass over was just that, fluff, though it was worth noting to buy me time to come and defend myself so that 2 not 3 town were lost. Not the best hinting cause I didn't want to actually reveal, but lay ground for it.



Class now, back in a while.

This post has been edited by Stalker: 07 March 2012 - 11:07 PM

[Khellendros]

I'm finally around, I just couldn't find time to get on any earlier, sorry. Just going to digest what's been said in my absence.