[D'rek]

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


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Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

[Mentalist]

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

11 viewers, shit just got real!

[D'rek]

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

I got your back JLV (whoever you are, nice to meet you by the way, Im Bent and I am the Knight of HHM, some say undeservedly so...) Hope you are enjoying the game, and if your not JLV, hello misterious stranger, I hope your super hot and femaly so I can hump your leg later, and is JLV a girl or guy, fuck I have missed alot, who are all those noobs over ther, and where did I put my Dr. Dre CD?

JLV is a guy, and since Lizra was lynched that makes me the only gal left. And if you try to help my leg I will fucking shove a glass bottle of tarantulas down your throat

[Mentalist]

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Who is Starling?

one of the newbs. third game, I believe.

[Mentalist]

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


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Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

guard take slonger to get results, though.
guard has to spend 2 nights on a target to be reasonably sure he got scum.
on top of which, he can't discunt a possibility of BP/Healers.

[HoosierDaddy]

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


<snipping picture>


Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

And if I think that at the least we have no standard roles? That's basically what I was implying but no problem clarifying.

[Mentalist]

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


<snipping picture>


Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

And if I think that at the least we have no standard roles? That's basically what I was implying but no problem clarifying.

then we're up shit creek balance-wise, because day-vig is the worst idea to balance out a town ever. only thing worse would be a ninja. or an unlimited vig (i.e, pro-town killer)

[Silencer]

Path-Shaper, on 03 March 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

/yawn

You guys are boring.

Sure, we're boring. Because the new game totally isn't dead right now.

[HoosierDaddy]

Mentalist, on 03 March 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


<snipping picture>


Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

And if I think that at the least we have no standard roles? That's basically what I was implying but no problem clarifying.

then we're up shit creek balance-wise, because day-vig is the worst idea to balance out a town ever. only thing worse would be a ninja. or an unlimited vig (i.e, pro-town killer)

You see my mafia paranoia coming into effect?

[Mentalist]

ok, how long is maccy gonna take to type up his 4 lines?

[Bent]

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 03 March 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

i wouldn't mind if one of you lynched Vengy.
he's done nothing to make me suspicious this game, which makes my hackles rise.

Heh, you said lynched instead of vig...

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

But again, the M&P thing is not a wash with even 2 day vigs. So I think that M&P (mostly) is appropriate. You shouting in the corner made no sense then and less sense now. Its scum v town with a couple of town roles at least. Still M&P - not high TMDI like cult or even test games. So you flipped out because you had one vig that was during the day? I get the reveal after Silencer played his cards a little, but you were shouting in the corner early. I havent played in a long time, but I still don get it, not really. But like I said done is done.

It's a day vig, though - that's adding day actions which is breaking standard (M&P) mechanics of day being lynches only and night being actions

THen where on the TMDI would you put it Drek? And he did say mostly, which still means that the standard scum v town is in effect, with a few twists. Its exactly where I would put it.

Anything with Day Actions, IMO, has to be TMDI:2 at the least. Especially if you don't mention them in the OP.

Even if you say it's TMDI:1, it is certainly *not* M&P (even "mostly")

My opinion that Meat and Potatoes is one of these

TMDI:1 = X+Y players, X roleless innocents, Y killers
TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.


The term mostly falls into the 2nd are, maybe a 2.5. But M&P to me means town v scum. Mostly means to me that you have a couple of suprises. 2 day vigs meet that criteria. The point of me making this a clarification is because, HD automatically assumed that because he had a day vig, that this must mean that this was a high TMDI, therefore making him reveal. I disagree.

[Macros]

must be a lot of quotes goin on, my phone has frozen twice.
cant read up to date till after work.
hds reveal is out of nowhere and if silencers is real, he played it fucking awfully.
why didnt you ask a few questions of him to verify it against your own role.
i would jump in and say hd is the fake reveal here as two day vigs is excessive, and the situation reminds me of jas fake reveal in dibsfest. but silencers reveal was so wastful and poorly executed it reeks of a symp action.
silencer, vig the fuck out of me.

[Mentalist]

Macros, on 03 March 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

must be a lot of quotes goin on, my phone has frozen twice.
cant read up to date till after work.
hds reveal is out of nowhere and if silencers is real, he played it fucking awfully.
why didnt you ask a few questions of him to verify it against your own role.
i would jump in and say hd is the fake reveal here as two day vigs is excessive, and the situation reminds me of jas fake reveal in dibsfest. but silencers reveal was so wastful and poorly executed it reeks of a symp action.
silencer, vig the fuck out of me.

but then you won't catch up, ever!

[D'rek]

Mentalist, on 03 March 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

H.D., on 03 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Bubba, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

All this confusion......oh there is going to be a paddlin.......


<snipping picture>


Remove vote best bet I can figure if you are scum HD, is that you are the symp for two killers who don't know each other, maybe Silencer and?

Well, like I've said. It's not really a powerful role unless you've got a finder reveal, and I've made internal decisions that this game is fucked and we don't have a finder.

Then again, if we really have 2 day vigs and therefore the killers are seperate, a guard would be a finder and better.

And if I think that at the least we have no standard roles? That's basically what I was implying but no problem clarifying.

then we're up shit creek balance-wise, because day-vig is the worst idea to balance out a town ever. only thing worse would be a ninja. or an unlimited vig (i.e, pro-town killer)

^^that. Don't see how that would be a balanced game with double-killers. Then again, if last night's second kill was a night vig, I could see that working. 17 players is a long game with 1 NK, even if there are 3 vigs. 2 NKs + 2 vigs and nothing but RIs and symps otherwise wouldn't work though, IMO.

[Bent]

Macros, on 03 March 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

silencer, vig the fuck out of me.

No! I am sparticus, vig me! Really Mac? really? I agree with the rest, but really?

[HoosierDaddy]

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 03 March 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

i wouldn't mind if one of you lynched Vengy.
he's done nothing to make me suspicious this game, which makes my hackles rise.

Heh, you said lynched instead of vig...

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

But again, the M&P thing is not a wash with even 2 day vigs. So I think that M&P (mostly) is appropriate. You shouting in the corner made no sense then and less sense now. Its scum v town with a couple of town roles at least. Still M&P - not high TMDI like cult or even test games. So you flipped out because you had one vig that was during the day? I get the reveal after Silencer played his cards a little, but you were shouting in the corner early. I havent played in a long time, but I still don get it, not really. But like I said done is done.

It's a day vig, though - that's adding day actions which is breaking standard (M&P) mechanics of day being lynches only and night being actions

THen where on the TMDI would you put it Drek? And he did say mostly, which still means that the standard scum v town is in effect, with a few twists. Its exactly where I would put it.

Anything with Day Actions, IMO, has to be TMDI:2 at the least. Especially if you don't mention them in the OP.

Even if you say it's TMDI:1, it is certainly *not* M&P (even "mostly")

My opinion that Meat and Potatoes is one of these

TMDI:1 = X+Y players, X roleless innocents, Y killers
TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.


The term mostly falls into the 2nd are, maybe a 2.5. But M&P to me means town v scum. Mostly means to me that you have a couple of suprises. 2 day vigs meet that criteria. The point of me making this a clarification is because, HD automatically assumed that because he had a day vig, that this must mean that this was a high TMDI, therefore making him reveal. I disagree.

I didn't assume a HIGH TMDI, I knew it was a non M-P TMDI, and there are worlds of difference to me. You disagree. But even by your own math it seems as though it's at least TMDI 3 which is a far cry from M and P.

[Silencer]

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 03 March 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

i wouldn't mind if one of you lynched Vengy.
he's done nothing to make me suspicious this game, which makes my hackles rise.

Heh, you said lynched instead of vig...

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Bent, on 03 March 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

But again, the M&P thing is not a wash with even 2 day vigs. So I think that M&P (mostly) is appropriate. You shouting in the corner made no sense then and less sense now. Its scum v town with a couple of town roles at least. Still M&P - not high TMDI like cult or even test games. So you flipped out because you had one vig that was during the day? I get the reveal after Silencer played his cards a little, but you were shouting in the corner early. I havent played in a long time, but I still don get it, not really. But like I said done is done.

It's a day vig, though - that's adding day actions which is breaking standard (M&P) mechanics of day being lynches only and night being actions

THen where on the TMDI would you put it Drek? And he did say mostly, which still means that the standard scum v town is in effect, with a few twists. Its exactly where I would put it.

Anything with Day Actions, IMO, has to be TMDI:2 at the least. Especially if you don't mention them in the OP.

Even if you say it's TMDI:1, it is certainly *not* M&P (even "mostly")

My opinion that Meat and Potatoes is one of these

TMDI:1 = X+Y players, X roleless innocents, Y killers
TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.


The term mostly falls into the 2nd are, maybe a 2.5. But M&P to me means town v scum. Mostly means to me that you have a couple of suprises. 2 day vigs meet that criteria. The point of me making this a clarification is because, HD automatically assumed that because he had a day vig, that this must mean that this was a high TMDI, therefore making him reveal. I disagree.

Hrm, yeah, there is that. I think the difference comes down to what one defines as M&P, and how much leeway 'mostly' gives you. I'm somewhere in the middle of you and HD, in that I don't think two day-vigs plus whatever allowed two night-kills to go through is a standard setup, and therefore is not M&P. Whether it is still 'mostly' M&P is up in the air. Thus, we invented the TMDI index, ofc. But that hasn't really been applied to this game and there is nothing to stop mods from lying about the complexity of the setup or being vague on specifics or their own interpretation of what constitutes M&P (mostly). *shrug*

Thus your problem is one of subjectivity and therefore unlikely to be resolved to your satisfaction, yeah? XD

[HoosierDaddy]

Macros, on 03 March 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

must be a lot of quotes goin on, my phone has frozen twice.
cant read up to date till after work.
hds reveal is out of nowhere and if silencers is real, he played it fucking awfully.
why didnt you ask a few questions of him to verify it against your own role.
i would jump in and say hd is the fake reveal here as two day vigs is excessive, and the situation reminds me of jas fake reveal in dibsfest. but silencers reveal was so wastful and poorly executed it reeks of a symp action.
silencer, vig the fuck out of me.

Suck it.

You don't own me.

[D'rek]

Is Macros really volunteering as a reveal-test subject? What, is he a NA-jester?

[Bent]

D, on 03 March 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

^^that. Don't see how that would be a balanced game with double-killers. Then again, if last night's second kill was a night vig, I could see that working. 17 players is a long game with 1 NK, even if there are 3 vigs. 2 NKs + 2 vigs and nothing but RIs and symps otherwise wouldn't work though, IMO.

SO 17 players with 2 killers and 1 symp balances with 3 vigs for team inno? Maybe but its heavy, right? I dont know, balance wasn't ever my strong suit, but I guess maybe.