[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 8 hours remaining
5 Players still alive: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

3 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

[Galayn Lord]

I HAVE RETURNED.

Let the glorious reread begin, so that we may find scum in its midst and lynch them mercilessly.

[Galayn Lord]

Ok, posts incoming...

[Galayn Lord]

Ok. My top choice for scum is Thyr. There is just too much interaction between him and Anthras and numerous people have pointed out how scummy his play has been. I'm going to try to post a couple of quote blocks for reference.

Korabas, on 01 March 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

OK, been reading up and beyond the okaros and alkend cases, very little has happened besides Dragonsecks, but Thyrllan seems fishy to me for the following reasons:

1. Trying to start a train on Anthras, then changing his mind quickly, as soon as Anthras responds with a reasonable defense that actually did not do defend against the specific points Thyrllan made.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Already planning your excuses?

Vote Anthras



Because you can never play the noob card even in the newb game

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Oh bugger im not doing well am i?

Ah but I didnt claim to be a n00b that would imply that im a complete idiot who trolls over the internet and think that im so 1337 and when I see something I like go OMGWTFBBQ

but I am a newd which would imply that I am infact an educated(ish) individual that enjoys long walks on the beach, home cooked meals and cuddles... Sorry wrong place. I meant that I am educated to a degree and that I am just starting to learn how to be an accomplished mafia player who respects his peers and betters.

Well I think that argument is convincing anyway.

Not really


Remove Vote

anyway

2. This post responding to Merrid which just pinged my scum radar.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Good point, Merrid, don't want to harm my credibility

Overreact often?

3. Karatallid's points and the reaction later. I mean honestly Thyr, is it that big of a deal to have a case against oneself? All you need to do is respond coherently and with points that can stop the case in its tracks and voila, you've successfully gotten away from suspicion.

Thyr votes Anthras, Anthras makes a BS defense comment, Thyr immediately removes his vote like less than 20 minutes later. Could just be distancing. We have noobs here but it's quite common to have an experience killer help a newb in his play so I kind of want to discount the "newb game" theory. I do not like the way that Anthras and Thyr interact here.

Also, Korabas is the closest thing we have to CI, and he's the one making the connection. Korlat is also someone i'm going to quote probably soon because he made some great posts before he was NK'd.

[Galayn Lord]

Thyrllan, on 08 March 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Damn Korabas. Shitty to lose that town secret advantage (of course it does make sense to reveal because being lovers provides no advantage if one of the two of you are dead).

However, if we have paired killers (or even a symp who knows his master), this is a perfect opportunity to try to CI one's self and partner/master. I will need more thought on this before I give you more credibility than anyone else.

first mention of paired killers this game - he who smelt it dealt it

This is total bullshit lying; paired killers were mentioned way back early on, looks like thyr is trying to deflect attention towards Kara which also discredits Korabas, our presumed CI.

[Galayn Lord]

Merrid, on 07 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I have spent the last hour or so doing a full re-read. I have a lot to say, so I wont quote herre, but if there is something in particular you want me to quote I can go back and find it.

The first thing I noticed was that Thyr is very non-committal, he'll quote posts and say "something about this feels off to me", "this feels scummy to me", and of course the "does anyone think we should let night go without a lynch?". Even his vote on Korlat is very vague. Although Korlat has been participating a lot in the last few days he quotes nothing that strikes him as suspicious, and doesn't say at all why he is voting for Korlat, apart from gut and unidentified suspicions. This is strange, as the whole game he has emphasised that he doesn't want innocents to be lynched, and will refuse to vote for those he thinks innocent, even though a lynch is better for town in the end than no lynch. Half way through day three he claims he is going to look at lynch trains because that should help us figure out who is "getting innocents lynched", comments on the inconsistency from Path-Shaper and then leaves.

He has also answered weakly to any cases made against him. His defence always consists of bluster, followed by redirections. Karatallid's case on him day one was answered with questions (why would you vote for me? I haven't even voted for you yet. Have you even said anything else in this game?) followed by redirection on to the suspicions building at the time. The accusations Korabas brings against him on day one get the same treatment, as do the questions around his "no lynch" comment. He claims he would have argued against it, is not trying to derail the lynch, etc. etc. (Does this sound familiar? He does the same thing with his Korlat vote), and then says "give the collective some credit" - if you don't think "the collective" would have fallen for it, why even suggest it?

He also seems very decisive about who he thinks is innocent and who he thinks is scum. "I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras", We can hope that Alkend was a symp but don't hold your breath" and his attack on Korlat.

I think Thyr is scummy as fuck BUT all this stirring up the thread, dropping stuff down right before a lynch and being certain on the allegiance of people is far more characteristic of a symp than a killer.

Thyr must be symping Anthras. His attack on Korlat was put at a time when Kesso and Anthras were getting about the same amount of heat. Neither of them have had any serious interaction until today, which is strange as both have had cases on them, but neither have commented on the other's case, except when Thyr stated he didn't get a scummy vibe from Anthras. Now Anthras has picked up that Thyr's vote before last night could be traced back to him and he is frantically distancing himself in the hope that Thyr will be lynched instead of him.

Anthras has definitely been coasting, the only content posts of his before today were summaries of the suspicions on other players. He almost never addresses the suspicions laid against himself. His flip-flopping on votes last night was strange, especially his vote on Thyr, which he removed as soon as he was called on it. This mirrors the voting on day one, where Thyr voted Anthras and then removed it pretty much immediately, even though he said he wasn't convinced by Anthras' argument. I generally think day one signalling cases are BS, but this kind of mirroring is highly suspicious.

In my opinion there is no point in going after the symp. His CF will tell us nothing, and it won't stop the night kills. It's time to aim for the killer.

vote Anthras

This is a good analysis by Merrid that I thought is worth reposting. Even if Thyr is a symp (and I think he's the other killer pair, actually), he's still scum. Tiam/Thyr/Anthras were all often grouped together but only Tiam got lynched and then we finally got on the right track here with Merrid.

[Galayn Lord]

Thyrllan, on 07 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

ok, Merrid - I have to admit now that my estimation of your scumminess has decreased proportionately to my dislike for Anthras. Your comments about him ring true.



Lynches must happen, but my desire to avoid lynching an inno has been misinterpreted as a desire to protect or even avoid a lynch altogether. There was no signalling from me on Day 1.



Allow me to dispel this error of sympage



Vote Anthras

Here we go with Thyr jumping on the Anthras train as vote # 2 of 4, which would normally be odd, but with Thyr/anthras being so closely linked by numerous people over the course of the game, it could be an attempt at distancing and good play which would make Thyr look innocent when Anthras comes up scum, since he's been essentially the #1 target the whole game (although why he escaped the lynch for so long is amazing).

[Galayn Lord]

I just realized I sort of have been working backwards from the end of the thread, so i'm going to try to go back and make the rest of this more linear. Blame the alcohol, which is delicious.

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I agree with this


I expect 1 killer & 2 symps maybe. That would make 10 to 3.

Here's proof that paired killers were mentioned way back before Thyr straight up lied about it, and he also speculates on scum roles as 1 killer 2 symps, which is less dangerous than 2 killers 1 symp. If he's scum this benefits him because he appears less dangerous. I still think it's paired killers and a symp (who might already have been lynched - Tiam?).

[Galayn Lord]

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

I'm around, trying to surf the paperwork sea atm

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

this is silly



Vote Okaros



I have to get backl to work

Uhh so he has to reread the thread to get a handle on things but then HAMMERS Okaros 30 minutes later for "silly" reasons like getting back to work...and in this case I had explicitly stated that I would be around to hammer if necessary. Which I tried to do, but crossposted after Thyr.

[Galayn Lord]

Korabas, on 01 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

I have a fucking real life and i couldnt post. Maybe take into consideration timezones fucktards. The only good thing for town now is in all of your minds i am maybe pi. That narrows things down a bit. In the spirit of the newb game and this shitty pool of fucktards we found newbs from,
Vote anthras

Korabas, on 02 March 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

OK: I have a few candidates for scum in my mind:
1. Anthras for a few reasons:

First, he voted pretty much out of the blue for Okaros, which seems to me either like a symp who knows his killer, or someone jumping onto a lynch train in the hope that he will get lucky and randomly hit scum, neither of which is good in any type of Mafia game except maybe mercs.

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 February 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

So are we waiting for GH to show up and hit us with a RP onslaught?
Wonder what it'll be this time...

Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

How the Frack do you use multiquote!!! I can't get it to do anything.

Maybe he's roleplaying as being a noob... *eyes Okaros suspiciously"

Barghast, on 29 February 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Dear Hood! I'm gone for a few minutes and suddenly there's three pages! Will start posting more later on, am busy at the mo'.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

Fuck it is that easy?! I feel like an idiot.

Dont feel like an idiot were in the newb game claim 'plausable newbility' its what ill be doing when I make an are of myself

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Hmmm I sense a pattern. Or it may be Okaros just trying to throw people off his scent. Hence

vot Okaros

Second, he has been quite a high poster at least in day one, but all of his posts were either dragonsecks or spam, excepting the one vote on Okaros, which he did not explain until after he was asked, and even then he had almost nothing to go on (not even enough for a day 1 case normally, had no one else found other points to focus on.)

Though I'd rather not push a case on someone who has said he will not be around for a while, he's my biggest scum candidate so far.

2. Thyrllan, for my reasons stated pages ago.

3. Lastly, and this is not a case in any sense of the word, it is just me thinking out loud, Barghast seems to me like a townie playing scummy, because he pinged my scum radar with his posts, but my gut says he's town. I just want to make this clear, this is not official, it is just me stating my thoughts (for this section of my posts.)

Korbas here is going after both Anthras AND Thyr, and as our only VPI, this carries a bit of weight now. Unless Korbas has been playing us from the beginning (unlikely), this is important. Most everyone seems to agree that Anthras and Thyr (and Tiam) were playing scummy but we just couldn't pull enough evidence to lynch anyone but Tiam (perhaps doing his job as the symp, with the self-vote). Either way, they are linked time and time again.

[Galayn Lord]

Tiamatha, on 02 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Does anyone think that we should let today go by without a lynch?

Scummy. ^

Whether Tiam was his symp or not, this is absolutely spot on.

[Galayn Lord]

Tiamatha, on 02 March 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 02 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 02 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Does anyone think that we should let today go by without a lynch?

Scummy. ^

Wrong. Notice I made a question. I didn't use the word "else" to imply that I thought that we should. At the time, we were spinning the wheels. I was looking to see what people were thinking. People, like Kara for example, remark that I ask questions. That's how I find things out, responses to questions contain info we can use. I can see you calling this scummy (3 times no less) if I were lobbying for a no lynch, or night or whatever.

Why even suggest this though? By asking a question you put the idea in people minds. As a few of the players are new they may be persuaded to do this. If not you still get the thread thinking about this as a possibility. It shouldn't cross your mind to do it yet it did and that thinking is scummy.

Just continuation of my previous post. Suggesting a no-lynch on day 2 (?) is ridiculous.

[Galayn Lord]

Korlat, on 04 March 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 02 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 02 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Does anyone think that we should let today go by without a lynch?

Scummy. ^

Wrong. Notice I made a question. I didn't use the word "else" to imply that I thought that we should. At the time, we were spinning the wheels. I was looking to see what people were thinking. People, like Kara for example, remark that I ask questions. That's how I find things out, responses to questions contain info we can use. I can see you calling this scummy (3 times no less) if I were lobbying for a no lynch, or night or whatever.

This is quite a classic scum play here Thyr, to phrase something that could be seen as questionable as an open question, so someone else can then pick it up as a good idea and run with it, they can take the fall if it turns out to be scummy. If people straight off don't like it, it is easy to weasel out of it by saying, well, exactly what you said here.

Yes we ask question and prod at inconsistencies to get answers and ideas but you don't make vauge half-suggestions like that. You were looking to see what people where thinking? Well fine, but if you expect people to let you know what they are thinking, first let them know what you are thinking, you say now if someone had agreed with this you would have said you didn't think it was a good idea, we can't know that at all, we have your word for it, whereas if you had asked the question and stated you didn't think personally it would be the right move for x,y,x reasons then we'd have had some idea of where you stood on it and how people reacted to both the question and your personal thoughts.

This though, it comes off as extremely scummy.

More support for Thyr-as-scum theory; Korlat was Nk'd not this night but the next.

Korlat, on 04 March 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Oddly enough my thoughts are happy ones not involving dragons riding even thnough that appears to be the current subject matter.

Im just thinking to an hour hence when I get to leave my place of work and go home for a nice long weekend.

Oh god im making myself sick with all this politeness. Somebody please stop me.

Vote Anthras

this help

Early vote laid on Athras here by Tiam, on page two, possibly a vote to signal. Interestingly on page three, Thyr also lays an early vote on Anthras but removes it a couple of posts later, admittedly if they were paired killers this would be a very strange move and you'd have thought they'd have avoided interaction, the last game though goes to show this is not always the case. They have an exchange again after Anthras lays what appears to be a more serious vote on Okaros for his Kara vote, which looked like a joke vote to me.

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 February 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know how to make writing bold on a mobile device? Most of my posts will be done this way sadly.

Yes, you need to use square brackets around the letter "b", with a closing slash, like so :

[ b ] Vote Anthras [/ b ]

becomes

Vote Anthras

When you remove the spaces near the brackets. Very, very simple and yet no one ever seems to learn... Didn't anyone else post on message boards when that was the ONLY way to make bold font?

did you mean to vote him ha ha

I think this may have been pointed at before, but it was not long after this that tiam made her Okaros case, she does laugh it off but it is only a couple of posts later that she launches into her case on Okaros, who was already picking up a little attention by this point, Anthras having already voted him. Now assuming that Tiam is a symp to Anthras she has already joke voted him, question GL on whether he meant to make a vote when he was demonstrating how bolding worked and then made a case based on Athras' vote on Okaros and followed him early on that train.

This seems quite a bit all in all, then there is this exchange:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

Thyr accuses Tiam of signalling Merrid. It was a curious comment to make, it could of course be a joke, or possibly some fake symping here to draw attention away from the Okaros set up with Athras.

Admittedly this would mean two possible scum (Anthras, Thyr) and a symp (tiam) all interacting early on and would be quite a bold play. When Kara comes on and makes a case against Thyr and votes for him tiam accuses kara of symping Okaros and says he has not produced enough quotes to support his case.

Tiam before she leaves make another reference to Merrid with the 'no merrid in voting for merrid' joke, saying all her attention is on Okaros/Kara.

What makes this argument so compelling is that we have pretty solid confirmation about most of the people in this post being town except Anthras, Thyr, and Kara. Kara has done a solid job of making clear-headed posts, so if he's scum i'm impressed and I don't know how the fuck we got to where we are now.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 2 hours and 18 minutes remaining

5 Players still alive: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

3 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Here and reading through GL's case.

[Karatallid]

Well, needless to say, this only solidifies my thoughts on Thyr. How long would we like to wait to give him a chance to respond?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 47 minutes remaining

5 Players still alive: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

3 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Ok, well I'm going to vote at the latest 5 minutes before day end. I'm now getting a little concerned that no one else is here (PS kindly excluded from that assessment). Could those of you here and watching check in at least. It would make me feel better that the day wasn't going to time out.

[Path-Shaper]

20 minutes...

[Karatallid]

RLY people? Well if someone can make a convincing 5 minute case [/sarcasm] I will consider switching my vote.

Vote Thyr