[Alkend]

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

And he admits that he is being lazy and doens't want to put a reason down for voting anyone. Scummy play if there ever was any.

I'm sure the reason why no one else has brought it up is because its obvious. My vote for Korobas wasn't a real vote, hence the reason why I removed it when we started getting serious. I saw the same points Tiam did and didnt see much reason copying them. Now, from the way you are trying to build a case against me, you are either scum or a crack addict.

[Merrid]

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Ugh, ok, maybe I overreacted a little. I got lynched for the dumbest reasons last time I played. However, there was nothing to indicate that your second comment was sarcastic, and in a game filled with newbies I'm not sure what to expect and how much to take seriously.

On to the Okaros case. I'm wondering if Okaros actually read the case that Tiam made on him. The point of Tiam's case, if I'm reading it rght, is that Okaros stands out because in several posts he emphasises his noobishness, but then also seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about game play and people's styles. And Tiam clearly MUST remember Okaros' vote, as it's quoted in her case.

Okaros' original reply, the one quoted by Alkend, is also pinging my scum radar. It mentions Tiam's case but makes no reply to it, and accuses Tiam of being a symp. So from what I can see, Okaros' main defence is that people targeting him must be scum, because they are targeting him to deflect away from other people. I don't buy this.

Vote Okaros

Yes I've read the case against me and it's shit. It didn't really warrant a defense.

Oh no, he's acting too new!!! Oh no, he's acting too vet!!!

Serously?!

You are voting for me not because you think I'm scum but because you think I'm a better player than you are and are intimidated by me? That is essentially what you are saying. Don't you care about trying to find scum? Seriously people. I can have experience playing mafia AND not know how certain forum functions work. They are not mutually exclusive. The fact that I have 4 votes on me with damn near a whole day to go on Day 1 tells me that there is almost certainly scum on my train and my bet is it's Alkend. Though with the reactions that I mentioned that Tia and Anthras had to my inital vote on Kara I wouldn't count either of them out either.

I'm not intimidated by you in the least. I think you are an idiot. And I think you are scum, because your entire defence seems to be "this is a stupid case". If someone builds a case on you and other people are taking note of that case it warrants a defence. But you can't defend against it, so instead you try to discredit it. Not going to work. Yours is the scummiest play so far.

[Merrid]

Right, I'm out for a bit.

[Korabas]

OK, been reading up and beyond the okaros and alkend cases, very little has happened besides Dragonsecks, but Thyrllan seems fishy to me for the following reasons:

1. Trying to start a train on Anthras, then changing his mind quickly, as soon as Anthras responds with a reasonable defense that actually did not do defend against the specific points Thyrllan made.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Already planning your excuses?

Vote Anthras



Because you can never play the noob card even in the newb game

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Oh bugger im not doing well am i?

Ah but I didnt claim to be a n00b that would imply that im a complete idiot who trolls over the internet and think that im so 1337 and when I see something I like go OMGWTFBBQ

but I am a newd which would imply that I am infact an educated(ish) individual that enjoys long walks on the beach, home cooked meals and cuddles... Sorry wrong place. I meant that I am educated to a degree and that I am just starting to learn how to be an accomplished mafia player who respects his peers and betters.

Well I think that argument is convincing anyway.

Not really


Remove Vote

anyway

2. This post responding to Merrid which just pinged my scum radar.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Good point, Merrid, don't want to harm my credibility

Overreact often?

3. Karatallid's points and the reaction later. I mean honestly Thyr, is it that big of a deal to have a case against oneself? All you need to do is respond coherently and with points that can stop the case in its tracks and voila, you've successfully gotten away from suspicion.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

You come from nowhere with this? Have you posted before in this game? The vote did its job of getting a response, perfectly legit move. This is a tired case you pull out, man. Would you prefer to dragonsex?


I didn;t even vote for you yet



So far the Tiam/Merrid & Okaros things are on top of the stemaing pile

Also, this is Day 1, so all cases don't have much to go on, but in my experience, it is much better to have at least 2 pieces of evidence than to just make a gut case or just lead any player on to a lynch to get to day 2 and see the CF.

[Thyrllan]

old wrinkly vets are laughing at us

[Okaros]

 Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Ugh, ok, maybe I overreacted a little. I got lynched for the dumbest reasons last time I played. However, there was nothing to indicate that your second comment was sarcastic, and in a game filled with newbies I'm not sure what to expect and how much to take seriously.

On to the Okaros case. I'm wondering if Okaros actually read the case that Tiam made on him. The point of Tiam's case, if I'm reading it rght, is that Okaros stands out because in several posts he emphasises his noobishness, but then also seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about game play and people's styles. And Tiam clearly MUST remember Okaros' vote, as it's quoted in her case.

Okaros' original reply, the one quoted by Alkend, is also pinging my scum radar. It mentions Tiam's case but makes no reply to it, and accuses Tiam of being a symp. So from what I can see, Okaros' main defence is that people targeting him must be scum, because they are targeting him to deflect away from other people. I don't buy this.

Vote Okaros

Yes I've read the case against me and it's shit. It didn't really warrant a defense.

Oh no, he's acting too new!!! Oh no, he's acting too vet!!!

Serously?!

You are voting for me not because you think I'm scum but because you think I'm a better player than you are and are intimidated by me? That is essentially what you are saying. Don't you care about trying to find scum? Seriously people. I can have experience playing mafia AND not know how certain forum functions work. They are not mutually exclusive. The fact that I have 4 votes on me with damn near a whole day to go on Day 1 tells me that there is almost certainly scum on my train and my bet is it's Alkend. Though with the reactions that I mentioned that Tia and Anthras had to my inital vote on Kara I wouldn't count either of them out either.

I'm not intimidated by you in the least. I think you are an idiot. And I think you are scum, because your entire defence seems to be "this is a stupid case". If someone builds a case on you and other people are taking note of that case it warrants a defence. But you can't defend against it, so instead you try to discredit it. Not going to work. Yours is the scummiest play so far.

Okay because I'm an idiot please spell out for me why you think I'm scum? Your own words please.

I need to understand what I need to defend against. Because as I see it there is nothing that I need to defend myself against. Tia accused me of lurking and I posted eveyones post counts proving him wrong. I was also accused of coming off as too noob in some posts and then coming off as too vet in others. What? How is that even an indication that I'm scum. But as I also explained the too are not mutually exclusive and you ignore that defense. To me that is the whole sum of the case against me. As I said it's a stupid case. If I'm wrong please elaborate.

I put a counter case out there and you ignore it. Everyone has ignored it except for Alkend and he basically says that he doesn't care to take the effort to say why he voted for me so there is nothing for me to defend there either and only further proves that Alkend is either a very bad townie or scum building momentum on someone he sees as an easy target for a day 1 lynch. Either way he is still a much better lynch canidate than I am for a day 1 lynch.

[Okaros]

 Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

old wrinkly vets are laughing at us

I would be too if I wasn't stuck in the middle of it.

Well I need to go for the evening and I won't be back until a few hours before day times out. I'm keeping my vote on Alkend for now because, of all the behavior on Day 1, his has been the most questionable.

[Thyrllan]

 Korabas, on 01 March 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

OK, been reading up and beyond the okaros and alkend cases, very little has happened besides Dragonsecks, but Thyrllan seems fishy to me for the following reasons:

1. Trying to start a train on Anthras, then changing his mind quickly, as soon as Anthras responds with a reasonable defense that actually did not do defend against the specific points Thyrllan made. Fabrication, I can do whatever I want with my votes. Obviously, his defense was not my motivation for removing. I was making a point

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

Useless quote has nothing to do with case

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Already planning your excuses?

Vote Anthras



Because you can never play the noob card even in the newb game

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Oh bugger im not doing well am i?

Ah but I didnt claim to be a n00b that would imply that im a complete idiot who trolls over the internet and think that im so 1337 and when I see something I like go OMGWTFBBQ

but I am a newd which would imply that I am infact an educated(ish) individual that enjoys long walks on the beach, home cooked meals and cuddles... Sorry wrong place. I meant that I am educated to a degree and that I am just starting to learn how to be an accomplished mafia player who respects his peers and betters.

Well I think that argument is convincing anyway.

Not really


Remove Vote

anyway

2. This post responding to Merrid which just pinged my scum radar.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Good point, Merrid, don't want to harm my credibility

Overreact often?

Look up sarcasm in the dictionary, and can you argue that Merrid did overreact and kept it up for a while?

3. Karatallid's points and the reaction later. I mean honestly Thyr, is it that big of a deal to have a case against oneself? All you need to do is respond coherently and with points that can stop the case in its tracks and voila, you've successfully gotten away from suspicion.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

You come from nowhere with this? Have you posted before in this game? The vote did its job of getting a response, perfectly legit move. This is a tired case you pull out, man. Would you prefer to dragonsex?


I didn;t even vote for you yet



So far the Tiam/Merrid & Okaros things are on top of the stemaing pile

I did respond appropriately, sorry you didn't like it


Also, this is Day 1, so all cases don't have much to go on, but in my experience, it is much better to have at least 2 pieces of evidence than to just make a gut case or just lead any player on to a lynch to get to day 2 and see the CF.

I actually agree with last statement, but it's very general so other people will too

EDIT: my posts in red

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 01 March 2012 - 12:28 AM

[Korabas]

Oh, right, I forgot to punctuate my last post with a
Vote Thyrllan


So sorry to keep you all in suspense

Now to our band intermisson!!!!

[Thyrllan]

 Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

 Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Ugh, ok, maybe I overreacted a little. I got lynched for the dumbest reasons last time I played. However, there was nothing to indicate that your second comment was sarcastic, and in a game filled with newbies I'm not sure what to expect and how much to take seriously.

On to the Okaros case. I'm wondering if Okaros actually read the case that Tiam made on him. The point of Tiam's case, if I'm reading it rght, is that Okaros stands out because in several posts he emphasises his noobishness, but then also seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about game play and people's styles. And Tiam clearly MUST remember Okaros' vote, as it's quoted in her case.

Okaros' original reply, the one quoted by Alkend, is also pinging my scum radar. It mentions Tiam's case but makes no reply to it, and accuses Tiam of being a symp. So from what I can see, Okaros' main defence is that people targeting him must be scum, because they are targeting him to deflect away from other people. I don't buy this.

Vote Okaros

Yes I've read the case against me and it's shit. It didn't really warrant a defense.

Oh no, he's acting too new!!! Oh no, he's acting too vet!!!

Serously?!

You are voting for me not because you think I'm scum but because you think I'm a better player than you are and are intimidated by me? That is essentially what you are saying. Don't you care about trying to find scum? Seriously people. I can have experience playing mafia AND not know how certain forum functions work. They are not mutually exclusive. The fact that I have 4 votes on me with damn near a whole day to go on Day 1 tells me that there is almost certainly scum on my train and my bet is it's Alkend. Though with the reactions that I mentioned that Tia and Anthras had to my inital vote on Kara I wouldn't count either of them out either.

I'm not intimidated by you in the least. I think you are an idiot. And I think you are scum, because your entire defence seems to be "this is a stupid case". If someone builds a case on you and other people are taking note of that case it warrants a defence. But you can't defend against it, so instead you try to discredit it. Not going to work. Yours is the scummiest play so far.

Okay because I'm an idiot please spell out for me why you think I'm scum? Your own words please.

I need to understand what I need to defend against. Because as I see it there is nothing that I need to defend myself against. Tia accused me of lurking and I posted eveyones post counts proving him wrong. I was also accused of coming off as too noob in some posts and then coming off as too vet in others. What? How is that even an indication that I'm scum. But as I also explained the too are not mutually exclusive and you ignore that defense. To me that is the whole sum of the case against me. As I said it's a stupid case. If I'm wrong please elaborate.

I put a counter case out there and you ignore it. Everyone has ignored it except for Alkend and he basically says that he doesn't care to take the effort to say why he voted for me so there is nothing for me to defend there either and only further proves that Alkend is either a very bad townie or scum building momentum on someone he sees as an easy target for a day 1 lynch. Either way he is still a much better lynch canidate than I am for a day 1 lynch.

You act like you have something to hide because you pretended to more newbishness than you actually demonstrated with your familiarity with other things. Trying to hide something is scummy.

Your case on Alkend is what? His posts are empty and many, he's a lazy player? Who is he building momentum on?



Considering the building train on you, the fact that Kara & then Korabas come out of nowhere to gang up on me based on BS cases suggests that one is trying to derail the vote from you onto me (probably Korabas)

[Alkend]

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

How the Frack do you use multiquote!!! I can't get it to do anything.

First there were several posts of "ooooo I'm an idiot noob!" My take is that this was to make us think that he doesn't know what he's doing in here. You'll notice the tune changed though once I cast my vote against him. Now he's a REAL mafia player and I'm just a lazy bastard. Which I am, I'll admit it.

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Its mainly due to the point that he is automatically assuming that as someone was scum in previous games they will be in this one too. Not only that I think that its below the belt voting for someone who cant yet defend themselves.

For shame Antrhas. Don't you know that it's a time honored tradition of mafia to try and lynch the player who hasn't even posted yet.

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Well I have to slither off for a while. I don't usually have much stamina when it comes to dragon secks anyways. Just to be a dick I'm voting for someone that hasn't even checked in yet. That and this alt was scum last game (I love solid reasonings like this to make cases)

Vote Karatallid

last two games, actually

Sweet. Even more reason to lynch them then. I feel that Kara just might be the new Fener in that sense.

Also, Anthras is clearly Karas symp doing an OMGUS vote on me to redirect attention away from Kara.

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Hmmmm.

Since this seems to be a learning game for me and I'm trying to get over the fear factor of actually asking questions to learn how to navigate and better utilize the forum I would like to know how do you look up people's post counts? The reason that I ask is that I'm being accused of lurking when I believe that I have quite a few more posts than most of the other players in this game. I'm trying to enjoying the day 1 sillyness but Tia is such a buzz kill that now I have to go and defend myself from having fun.

So this is how It seems to me right now. I accuse Anthras of overreacting to my vote on Kara and called him a symp for said overreaction. Now Tia comes out of the woodwork and makes a "case" on me after my said comment regarding Anthras. Because Tia made a case on me however weak it is it looks like Tia is defending Anthras. Maybe I was wrong and Anthras might be a killer and Tia is the symp. Or maybe they are paired killers trying to look out for each other. I'll have to keep my eye on those three.

 Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

Fair enough, rather than see the reaction of Okaros and his defense you post his defense instead, this looks like symping and moving onto someone else. Thyr could be scum, so could merrid, yourself, anthras for that matter to me your all scum until proven otherwise. What makes you so sure Okaros isn't? I can see most of us wanting to blend in, post a lot and make it hard for scum to lie low it is early in day one, that sort of case or vote would be more important or more strong if we were a few days in.

The people you mentioned are playing a certain way but they ahven't slipped up whereas Okaros has, his posts have pinged my radar and hence my case and vote. You my friend haven't even made a case, nor have you posted any of Thyr's posts and it DOES look like you are trying to deflect from Okaros

I agree with this. Nuff said.

 Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Thyrllan 31
Tiamatha 30
Anthras 21
Okaros 18
Alkend 16
Path-Shaper 11
Galayn Lord 6
Merrid 5
Karatallid 5
Atrahal 4
Barghast 3
Korabas 3
K0rbas 2

Looks like I'm 4th in total posts and I didn't do anywhere near the RP dragon secksing that some of the players above me participated in. Not sure how that classifies as lurking.

Edit: for readability.

Scum love to make lists.

I don't think I need to reiterate the crap you've been trying to say against me. There were several other posters in your list that engaged in pointless and poorly done dragonsecks. Its day fucking one, not much has happened yet.

[Alkend]

Right then. I'm going to bed.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 19 hours and 8 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Tiamatha, Alkend, Merrid )
1 Vote for Anthras ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Kessobahn, Korlat, Thyrllan

[Thyrllan]

When I get back, I'm gonna review and see who stands out scummy - it will be well before time out

[Kessobahn]

I have arrived.

Feel my girth, bitches.

[Korabas]

Ahhhh, great. Again? Be original will you?

[Kessobahn]

You people have no stamina. What's all this serious shit I'm reading? No time to finish it right now, I'll have to get back to it later.

[Barghast]

And Barghast is back! I do feel like there was a lot of pointless voting going on while i was away, voting without a real reason, that is.

I will cast my vote after doing a thorough rereread.

[Kessobahn]

Well, I'm back and all caught up now. Day 1 is so average. And no one else appears to be around. Boo.

[Kessobahn]

And for the record, day 1 case generally shitty. These are no exception.