[Kazemeryx]

Firstly, why does it seem that most of the time humans are unharmed by Kurald Galain? However, it freezes Apsalar in Dragnipur and is so cold it actually snaps her chains.

Secondly, what was the point of trapping the heart of Kurald Galain within Dragnipur in the first place?

My understanding on this information is somewhat murky and I would appreciate any clarification given.

This post has been edited by Kazemeryx: 27 February 2012 - 02:06 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

firstly, where are you finding instances of human's being unharmed by kurald galain?? in moi, rake literally evaporates thousands of tenescowri in less than five seconds.

[Midnight]

Part of the reason for trapping the gate of Kurald Galain in dragnipur was that Draconus wanted to use it as a bait for chaos. If I remember correctly the idea was to lead chaos on a neverending chase that it couldn't resist due to the power of Kurald Galain being too tempting. However this was a huge error and almost resulted in Kurald Galain succumbing to chaos which is why Rake had to step in.

There were hints that Draconus may have had other motivations but those are indeed a little murky and I don't want to discuss them in case I spoil later books! Perhaps someone who actually knows how to ost spoiler tags could mention them!

Not sure about humans being unharmed but in the few examples that come to mind they had Tiste Andii guides so maybe that makes a difference...

[rhulad]

I don't recall anything in the books where KG didn't have any effect on humans... Can you give a specific instance?

[Kazemeryx]

There is an instance in MoI where Korlat takes Whiskeyjack through Kurald Galain. In RG Seren, Udinaas and Fear travel through Galain with Clip and Silchas. In RotCG a HUMAN priest uses Kurald Galain to shield himself and Malazan soldiers from attack. Also Black Coral, an entire city within Galain.

There may be more examples but these are the ones that come to mind immediately.

This post has been edited by Kazemeryx: 28 February 2012 - 02:57 AM

[Midnight]

In Midnight Tides Corlo hacks his way into Kurald Galain...although doesn't he then have to bargain with Sandalath (in ghost form) for safe passage?

[Kazemeryx]

 Midnight, on 28 February 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

In Midnight Tides Corlo hacks his way into Kurald Galain...although doesn't he then have to bargain with Sandalath (in ghost form) for safe passage?

If i remember correctly it was more so that they could find their way out with Sandalath as a guide.

[D'rek]

Anyways, responding to the OP, yes humans, Imass and other creatures can journey into the realm of Kurald Galain safely so long as they aren't afraid of the dark. Like all warrens, the magic of Kurald Galain can be used to harm people and can probably also be used in some ways to help people. This is standard stuff.

There is a difference, though, between being in the realm or a mage using the warren magic on you and trying to walk up to the Gate of Darkness itself, the heart of the warren, and that is why Apsalar in TtH and Ganoes Paran in GotM/MoI can't approach the Gate. It's like how sunlight doesn't do you any harm but standing a few feet from the Sun would.

[Kazemeryx]

Thanks for the clarification. However, why do you believe that the hounds of shadow were able to get through the gate then?

[POOPOO MCBUMFACE]

The Hounds of Shadow and the Deragoth/Hounds of Darkness have a really bizarre relationship going on that I don't think anyone fully understands. So... something to do with that?

[Tehol the Only]

If i remember well, Draconus trapped the gate to KG inside the sword to lure chaos in an endless chase thus "relieving" the other realms of its constant siege.
As Drac. himself says "a terrible error in evaluation".

As for humans non being hurt by KG

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Anyways, responding to the OP, yes humans, Imass and other creatures can journey into the realm of Kurald Galain safely so long as they aren't afraid of the dark. Like all warrens, the magic of Kurald Galain can be used to harm people and can probably also be used in some ways to help people. This is standard stuff.<br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); "><br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); ">There is a difference, though, between being in the realm or a mage using the warren magic on you and trying to walk up to the Gate of Darkness itself, the heart of the warren, and that is why Apsalar in TtH and Ganoes Paran in GotM/MoI can't approach the Gate. It's like how sunlight doesn't do you any harm but standing a few feet from the Sun would.

^this

Maybe the "cold" may also come from some kind of ward on the gate to prevent prisoners from jumping in.
The hounds were lured to plunge in using Oponn as bait, so they were already jumping when he disappeared and there's not much they could do to avoid the cold
also (but these are just speculations) i think they actually died doing so, in fact they didn't appear in KG but in another warren (the jaghut warren of death? i can't remember that part) somehow conjoined to their dark counterparts.
hope this helped somehow

This post has been edited by Shi'Gal: 07 March 2012 - 12:12 AM