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MIND MELD: Who Are Your Favorite Villains In Fantasy And Science Fiction?
#1
Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:28 PM
A site called SF Signal has asked a bunch of authors to name their favorite villains in literature and other media. There's a bunch of well known names among them and some pretty good choices. It's a fun read.
http://www.sfsignal....t=Google+Reader
http://www.sfsignal....t=Google+Reader
#2
Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:40 PM
Fun, tho i didn't know many of those authors so the context was a bit lost on me.
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#3
Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:49 PM
Idaan from A Betrayal in Winter was a brilliant villain and I have to second Glotka as one of the best also. Also, I have to say the Inhibitors from Revelation Space are some pretty badass villains.
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"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
#4
Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:33 PM
I think I'd have to go with Ma'elKoth/Tan'elKoth from Heroes Die/Blade of Tyshalle.
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#5
Posted 23 February 2012 - 07:49 PM
Call me pedestrian, but one of my favorite villains is still Pe Ell.
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#6
Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:47 PM
Professor Weston in C.S. Lewis's Perlandra was a pretty vicious villain, if I remember correctly (it's been over 15 years since I read it).
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett, Jingo"Just erotic. Nothing kinky. It's the difference between using a feather and using a chicken." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
#7
Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:48 PM
Darth Vader, before he became Failed Space Jesus
Darth Krayt, a Vong'd-up ex-Tusken Raider Sith Emperor-how is that not badass? (Star Wars: Legacy comics)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars: Thrawn Trilogy books)
Arvin Sloane (Alias TV show)
Ben Linus (Lost TV show - seeing a JJ Abrams theme here)
Cersei Lannister (Game of Thrones books/TV show)
The No-God (Prince of Nothing/Aspect Emperor books) - because RSB's portrayal of him as this coffin-inside-a-tornado that keeps relentlessly asking WHAT DO YOU SEE? is so creepy and awesome
This is fun to think about.
Darth Krayt, a Vong'd-up ex-Tusken Raider Sith Emperor-how is that not badass? (Star Wars: Legacy comics)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars: Thrawn Trilogy books)
Arvin Sloane (Alias TV show)
Ben Linus (Lost TV show - seeing a JJ Abrams theme here)
Cersei Lannister (Game of Thrones books/TV show)
The No-God (Prince of Nothing/Aspect Emperor books) - because RSB's portrayal of him as this coffin-inside-a-tornado that keeps relentlessly asking WHAT DO YOU SEE? is so creepy and awesome
This is fun to think about.
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#8
Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:12 PM
The Chairmaker of Use of Weapons.
The Lady of the Black Company.
Styliane Daleina of the Sarantium books.
Low-key Lyesmith of American Heroes (and his partner)
Agamemnon in the Iliad (I can't bring myself to calling Hektor a villain).
the evil guy in The Lies of Locke Llamora was a fairly devious bastardo.
and of course, as the article says, a certain brother of Corwin in Amber.
Ask me tomorrow, and I'll name 5 out of 6 differently, most likely.
Gaaah. Mael'Koth should definately be in there. Arturo Kollberg perhaps, too.
The Lady of the Black Company.
Styliane Daleina of the Sarantium books.
Low-key Lyesmith of American Heroes (and his partner)
Agamemnon in the Iliad (I can't bring myself to calling Hektor a villain).
the evil guy in The Lies of Locke Llamora was a fairly devious bastardo.
and of course, as the article says, a certain brother of Corwin in Amber.
Ask me tomorrow, and I'll name 5 out of 6 differently, most likely.
Gaaah. Mael'Koth should definately be in there. Arturo Kollberg perhaps, too.
This post has been edited by Tapper: 23 February 2012 - 10:16 PM
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#10
Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:30 AM
Cocoreturns, on 24 February 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:
I agree with your disagreement, suffice it to say he's just one badass character of questionable morality depending on perspective and the weights of ends and means; as such I'd also like to nominate Bayaz.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett, Jingo"Just erotic. Nothing kinky. It's the difference between using a feather and using a chicken." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
#11
Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:31 AM
And I'd also move to nominate every character Abercrombie's created.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett, Jingo"Just erotic. Nothing kinky. It's the difference between using a feather and using a chicken." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
#12
Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:36 AM
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#13
Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:42 AM
Baco Xtath, on 24 February 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:
And I'd also move to nominate every character Abercrombie's created.
So you`re saying that Glotka is not an Abercrombie character?
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#14
Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:29 AM
[random_observation]I like how a spelling mistake in the name Glokta is copied by everyone in this thread. [/random_observation]
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#15
Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:33 PM
Morgoth, on 24 February 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:
Sorry, I meant to say Terry Goodkind.
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And as for Gloshca.....yeah, I had to wiki Bayaz too....years and spelling don't meld well.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett, Jingo"Just erotic. Nothing kinky. It's the difference between using a feather and using a chicken." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
"Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of a lack of wisdom." - Terry Pratchett
#16
Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:07 PM
Tapper, on 24 February 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:
[random_observation]I like how a spelling mistake in the name Glokta is copied by everyone in this thread. [/random_observation]

Anyway, for me, he is a villain, as far as Abercrombie creates them (more of a grey character kind of man, I'd guess) and a brilliant one.
Cersei Lannister for sure. Yes, I get her motivations but she is a villainess!
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#17
Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:58 PM
Fist Gamet, on 25 February 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:


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#18
Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:59 AM
Yeah, Glokta was the anti-hero... Bayaz was the super-villain! He royally f#cked everyone with a big jolly laugh! Ozymandias was a great villain. Grey and Left Eye were pretty good villains from American Gods. The Nazghul scared the crap out of me as a kid! Ma'Elkoth was brilliant too as friend+/enemy. The Consult are pretty insidious villain, and the No-God is a really cool villain conceptually.
Now, was Uther Doul a villain? Both the Machine and the Spider were quite scary in there own right from Perdido Street Station. Kellhus?
Of course there's always Eric Cartman in "Scott Tenorman Must Die"
Now, was Uther Doul a villain? Both the Machine and the Spider were quite scary in there own right from Perdido Street Station. Kellhus?
Of course there's always Eric Cartman in "Scott Tenorman Must Die"

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#19
Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:03 PM
I didn't see Bayaz as a villain, I saw him as an immortal that was actually written as an immortal -human- would be. An asshole who doesn't compare about the ants around him.
I don't buy into the discussion that all immortals should be like that, but since he was human at one point, it made sense to me.
I don't buy into the discussion that all immortals should be like that, but since he was human at one point, it made sense to me.
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