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#10301 User is offline   Kanese S's 

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Posted 12 March 2020 - 08:36 PM

View PostKing Lear, on 12 March 2020 - 07:10 PM, said:

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View PostMalankazooie, on 12 March 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

... outright lying to the american public like he has (and will continue to lie) during this pandemic should convince any Trump supporter that he is unfit to be president.


A smashing percent of the American public does not accept that he has lied about anything. They believe him. They accept his truth. Coronavirus is just a flu. It will burn out. It will blow over. It's getting play from the Liberal media because the impeachment failed. The market is plummeting because Wall Street hates Trump too. China did this because they can't control him. These are their truths.




Do they though? Or do they just not care that he's lying because they're getting what they want otherwise? There's one thing I've seen people in the US agree on, and it's that Trump should tweet less. Even the 'Trump will bring people together' guy in the pub wishes he'd shut the fuck up.

I would very much like for twitter to no longer be a thing.
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Posted 13 March 2020 - 04:48 AM

View PostBeaver Killia, on 13 March 2020 - 04:04 AM, said:

Hey Dems your golden gal AOC committed treason today by getting in front of Fox News cameras for a sit down with Brett Bier. Where is the pitchforks for this heinous act? I am joking ofcourse.

I ll even give her some very tiny crumbs of kudos for not pulling a 2 town halls ago attention seeking/burn of sorts Bernie moment.

Treason is the Republican operatives who sent you the fake census form to trick you into not responding to the real one.
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Posted 13 March 2020 - 08:04 AM

View PostMalankazooie, on 12 March 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

If Trump or Pence can't perform the duties, then yes, Pelosi would be next.
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Holy shit that's quite the rogues gallery before and after Pelosi.

Even between them all I still don't think they could muster a single iota of simple decency, empathy or humanity. It's like a critical mass of psychopaths.

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 09:22 AM

Good gawd, Ben Carson is on that list...
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Posted 13 March 2020 - 09:29 AM

View PostBeaver Killia, on 13 March 2020 - 04:04 AM, said:

Hey Dems your golden gal AOC committed treason today by getting in front of Fox News cameras for a sit down with Brett Bier.

Bret Baier has always occupied that sort of halfway-acceptable space on Fox News that included Shep Smith and still includes Chris Wallace. I've always said I'd take Chris Wallace over Chris Matthews any day, and at any given time you could take out a few of the worst MSNBC anchors and replace them with the best Fox ones and you'd have a much better network.

Fox is still the worst joke on national TV. Worst because it's too dangerous to really be funny.

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 12:32 PM

View PostBeaver Killia, on 12 March 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:

Is the census online only? Got a letter in with a code. Looks fishy as hell.


The start date was the 12th, you can check if it's legit though, their website has info on how to. https://www.census.g...y-a-survey.html
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Posted 13 March 2020 - 05:28 PM

Watched an interview with a member of congress about how Trump is handling coronavirus. He said the doctors standing behind him during the interview sometimes wince when the president makes up stuff (*cough lies *cough). This cannot be denied. I've seen the people behind him do this too. You don't need to be a fucking body language expert to see it.
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Posted 13 March 2020 - 10:26 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 13 March 2020 - 05:28 PM, said:

Watched an interview with a member of congress about how Trump is handling coronavirus. He said the doctors standing behind him during the interview sometimes wince when the president makes up stuff (*cough lies *cough). This cannot be denied. I've seen the people behind him do this too. You don't need to be a fucking body language expert to see it.


What a time to be alive.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 12:24 PM

View PostKanese S, on 13 March 2020 - 10:26 PM, said:

View PostMalankazooie, on 13 March 2020 - 05:28 PM, said:

Watched an interview with a member of congress about how Trump is handling coronavirus. He said the doctors standing behind him during the interview sometimes wince when the president makes up stuff (*cough lies *cough). This cannot be denied. I've seen the people behind him do this too. You don't need to be a fucking body language expert to see it.


What a time to be alive.


I do tech support at a university and was in the emergency operations center working on someone's laptop while Trump was giving his speech declaring a national emergency. It was surreal to see people like the campus police chief and the director of environmental health and saftey, some of the most serious people I've ever met, heckling the TV since it was obvious to them that he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Posted 15 March 2020 - 09:39 AM

Joe Hildebrand - a fellow of unusual sense most of the time - summarising the Democrat candidates ills.

Agree? Disagree? Yes it's a Murdoch site but JH isn't your usual Murdoch shill. I'd describe him as a little left of centre (in Australia - in the USA he'd be a damn commie :p ).

https://www.news.com...c01db39e4df9412

Joe Hildebrand: Why the death of the Democratic middle will deliver Trump’s win
The Democrats have had four years under a wildly chaotic president to cultivate an army of future leaders, but they’ve failed miserably.

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MARCH 15, 20203:26PM

In the future, when progressive parties try to pinpoint the exact moment they stopped doing what ordinary people were asking them to and started blaming ordinary people for not doing what they were told, they will only have to look at Hillary Clinton’s campaign diary.

And hopefully when they try to pinpoint the moment they started listening again, they will only have to look at the last page of Elizabeth Warren’s.

Clinton assumed she would be handed the Democratic nomination on a platter in 2008 only to be blindsided by a brilliant and charismatic speechmaker who honed his politics on the streets of Chicago.

Astonishingly, given the winner-takes-all, one-shot-in-the-locker, ultra-high-stakes nature of American politics, she was given another chance in 2016 – breathtaking proof of the privilege and power the Clintons are granted by the Democratic party machine.

Yet even with the full-throttle engine of the Democratic party machine behind her she was still almost toppled by a crotchety old socialist boomer who, by her own assessment, had never really accomplished anything much at all.

Fortunately for her, the fix was in and Clinton finally got her nomination.

… Only to completely cock up the election itself by failing to meet any of the people who needed to vote for her. She swanned around with celebrities and slagged off Republican voters and was so smugly assured of having her birthright bestowed upon her that she didn’t even bother to campaign in the rust belt states of disillusioned working-class families who were once the backbone of the Democratic Party.

Most galling of all, she made the campaign all about her. That it was her time to be president, her right to take office.

This is the party whose most lionised hero JFK famously declared: “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”

And yet her whole campaign – some would argue, her whole life – was centred around asking the country to do something for her – right down to its actual slogan: “I’m with her.”

If she had even the slightest sense of humility she would have known that the right slogan was “She’s with you”.

But she didn’t and she wasn’t.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump, for all his innumerable faults, was at least saying what he was going to do for the country, namely make it great again. Even so, there is not a single person on the Trump campaign – including Trump himself – who did more to help get him to the White House than Hillary Clinton did.

In the end this almost delusional sense of entitlement was shameless, toxic and ultimately fatal. And yet we saw a carbon copy of it in Elizabeth Warren, who just a few months ago was considered by many so-called experts to be the great white hope of the Democratic Party – including the editorial board of the New York Times.

The Warren campaign is the epitome of everything that is wrong with so-called left-wing politics at the moment, and I say “so-called” because there is nothing left-wing about it.

Progressive politics these days is in fact defined by privileged people claiming oppression, which is why in the US it is led by a millionaire New England socialist and a Harvard law professor turned senator who claims she is a victim of the patriarchy.

Bernie is obviously just batsh**t crazy so let’s turn the bullsh*t-o-meter on Betty for a little bit.

Even after she was exposed in her absurdist claim to Native American ancestry – an apparent effort to ratchet up more victimhood credits despite sitting at the very apex of American society – Warren couldn’t help but try to make her failed campaign for the presidency about discrimination against her.

Bowing out after having failed to win a single state, nor even having run second in any – not even her home state of Massachusetts – this whiter-than-white woman of infinite privilege said from the lawn of her Cambridge home: “I say this with a deep sense of gratitude for every single person who got in this fight, every single person who tried out a new idea, every single person who just moved a little in their notion of what a President of the United States should look like.”

Look like? Apparently those who didn’t support her, namely the overwhelming majority of Democratic voters including almost 80 per cent in her home state, were trapped in some old-fashioned bigotry. This would no doubt come as a surprise to the majority who voted for Hillary Clinton just four years ago, let alone the tidal wave who supported Obama and carried him to two thumping election wins.

But no — according to Warren, it was not just for herself that she grieved, but the future women of America.

“One of the hardest parts of this is all those pinky promises and all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years. That’s going to be hard.”

One is reminded of The Simpsons’ creepy geek millionaire Artie Ziff when he asks Marge not to tell anyone about his “busy hands”: “Not so much for myself, but I am so respected, it would damage the town to hear it.”

In fact, if the present women of America are any guide they’ll probably cope with Warren’s departure just fine, largely because they voted for it. The fact is that about 60 per cent of the voters in the Democratic primaries are women. And the fact is that in not one of the states that Warren contested did that overwhelming majority of women put her in first or even second place. Not one, even her own.

And so even as Warren is painting herself as a victimised feminist trailblazer she is blaming women for not voting for her based on what she looks like. Indeed, she is blaming them for not being shallow enough.

But surely she would not be so self-entitled and narcissistic to believe that the race for the presidency is all about her? Surely she would believe that the party, the cause, the defeat of Donald Trump is the most important thing?

Well, no. It is a long-held and vital tradition in primary races that anyone bowing out immediately pledges their support for another candidate and their energies towards the greater good. We saw the enormously impressive Pete Buttigieg do this early on to make sure Joe Biden knocked out Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday – and on the off chance Trump is beaten by Biden in November the DNC should build a 100-foot golden statue of Mayor Pete because he was the one who made it possible.

It is the only generous and decent thing a candidate can do in defeat but Warren wouldn’t do it. Instead she pointedly refused to endorse Sanders or anyone else. Anyone who has ever worked in party politics knows this is a dog act.

In Australia such bitter vindictiveness is usually found only in former prime ministers.

But this attitude goes straight to the heart of identity politics. You define yourself as a victim – however privileged you may be – and then declare that anyone who doesn’t support you is in some way backwards, bigoted or part of some invisible conspiracy of oppression.

It is the exact antithesis of what progressive politics is supposed to be. It jettisons the collective good in favour of personal grievance and sidelines the everyday struggles of poor and working-class people in favour of contrived appeals for individual sympathy. And yet it has spread through the left faster than the coronavirus.

Think of Hillary and Michigan. Detroit had been gutted by the global financial crisis, workers laid off, factories shut down. Clinton never even met them. Meanwhile her campaign was pumping out #ImWithHer all over Twitter.

Little wonder working class voters ran a mile in both directions to either the populist right or the socialist left. Thankfully most seem to have come back to the sensible centre, even if under Biden it seems more and more like the senile centre.

I am certainly not pretending that he is an inspirational candidate – at times he is barely even a lucid one – but at least he is likeable. Biden might sound like an overstretched tape of Lake Wobegon Days but Bernie just sounds like the angry uncle that would make you glass yourself if you had to sit next to him at Christmas.

And so Democrat voters have a choice between a genially demented candidate and a genuinely deranged one but the most embarrassing part is that both of them are more electable than painfully self-pitying senators crying sexism from their east coast estates.

Sanders won’t beat Biden and I doubt Biden will beat Trump but he will at least save what’s left of the Democratic Party’s heartland.

What the next generation does with it remains to be seen.

Because the real scandal in this election campaign isn’t anything the candidates will or won’t do. It is that the Democrats have had four years under a wildly chaotic and unpopular president to cultivate an army of future leaders and the best they’ve managed to produce is a hokey old dinosaur, an angry old hippy and a whiny old professor.

It took a bright young thing of Nowheresville Indiana to show up just how much the party had failed to generate new talent, and yet even this great gay superstar with the charisma to win over Christian America was criticised by hipster Democrats for not being gay enough. It’s hard not to suspect the party has a built-in death wish.

The truth is the Democrats had a Lost Generation and thus lost a generation. They are torn between old folks and new wokes with nobody in the middle. And it is in the middle that battles are won and lost.

And in the future, when progressive parties try to pinpoint the exact moment they stopped doing what ordinary people were asking them to and started blaming ordinary people for not doing what they were told, perhaps they will read this as well.
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Posted 15 March 2020 - 09:43 AM

What a nasty article.

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:04 AM

View PostTerez, on 15 March 2020 - 09:43 AM, said:

What a nasty article.


You're kidding right? That was just calling it as it is. And he detests Trump and the Republicans.

If you're referring to the Warren stuff, yeah I don't necessarily agree with him, but voters really stayed away from her unfortunately. And that was his analysis of why.
I note he stayed away from good old fashioned sexism, but I think that wasn't the aim with this article. It was about the perceived lack of appealing candidates to the Dem voters and middle America as a whole.

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:21 AM

It's pretty objectively nasty? No, he's not "just calling it as it is".

The fact that he lumped Hillary and Elizabeth Warren together like they are the same person is very, very telling.

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:22 AM

He was saying that they shared a similar failing. That's it.

EDIT: I don't see it anywhere near as much in Warren as Clinton, but maybe others do?
Then again, she was my much preferred candidate so maybe I just overlooked it?

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Posted 18 March 2020 - 10:10 PM

So in all the virus related news it seems Bernie is nearly out. Boden would never have been my first choice but I think what is worrying now are the people who seem to think that because "their" guy didn't win, they will vote Republican out of spite. The Vote Blue No Matter Who campaign needs to get out there if the orange moronic fascist traitor is to be voted out.
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Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:53 PM

View PostZaloopa, on 14 March 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 13 March 2020 - 10:26 PM, said:

View PostMalankazooie, on 13 March 2020 - 05:28 PM, said:

Watched an interview with a member of congress about how Trump is handling coronavirus. He said the doctors standing behind him during the interview sometimes wince when the president makes up stuff (*cough lies *cough). This cannot be denied. I've seen the people behind him do this too. You don't need to be a fucking body language expert to see it.


What a time to be alive.


I do tech support at a university and was in the emergency operations center working on someone's laptop while Trump was giving his speech declaring a national emergency. It was surreal to see people like the campus police chief and the director of environmental health and saftey, some of the most serious people I've ever met, heckling the TV since it was obvious to them that he has no idea what he's talking about.

Trump is unfit to be president.

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 06:45 PM

Trump on Twitter:

'Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don't they understand that they are destroying themselves?'

'WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!'

'We will be guided by the wishes of Prime Minister Abe of Japan, a great friend of the United States and a man who has done a magnificent job on the Olympic Venue, as to attending the Olympic Games in Japan. He will make the proper decision!'

'A great early result from a drug that will start tomorrow in New York and other places! #COVIDー19
Florida man with coronavirus says drug touted by Trump saved his life
A Florida man diagnosed with coronavirus claims he was saved from certain death by an anti-malarial drug touted as a possible treatment by President Trump. Rio Giardinieri, 52, told Los Angeles'
nypost.com'

Ah, Florida man....

[Not on Trump's Twitter:]

'Nigeria Reports Chloroquine Poisonings as Trump Keeps Pushing Drug Against Coronavirus

[...] The overdoses on chloroquine came after Trump sang the praises of two malaria drugs—chlorquine and a less toxic related pill called hydrochloroquine—and pretty much characterized them as possible miracle cures for COVID-19. That led to people rushing out to buy the drugs and there were reports of high demand in Nigeria leading to shortages in pharmacies. Trump doubled down on the dubious medical advice Saturday, writing on Twitter about another unproven combination of drugs, claiming that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin "taken together" could be "one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine." Trump went on to express optimism that they will be "put in use IMMEDIATELY" because "PEOPLE ARE DYING." To make his point, Trump cited a report in a scientific journal that only studied 20 patients and was not a controlled clinical trial.'

https://slate.com/ne...oronavirus.html


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Posted 23 March 2020 - 09:26 PM

Hydroxychloroquine is more often used as a medicine in the USA for those who have lupus/leprosy or rheumatoid arthritis. I've read about people who have lupus or rheumatoid arthritis being unable to get their next month's supply now due to the run on it after Trump blasted that out.
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Posted 24 March 2020 - 03:15 PM

View Postamphibian, on 23 March 2020 - 09:26 PM, said:

Hydroxychloroquine is more often used as a medicine in the USA for those who have lupus/leprosy or rheumatoid arthritis.


Seems like a half-handed approach to me, this.
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Posted 24 March 2020 - 05:27 PM

Is it me, or has the right in the US now literally gone insane? It seems they're now eagerly talking about sacrificing possibly millions - and certainly hundreds of thousands - of peoples', lives, by early relaxation of mitigation procedures, to make sure the economy stays on track. I'm not sure that they even want to realise that, even were the economy booming, having a few million people drop dead over a period of a few months wouldn't be good for anyone's bottom line.

If they take this route, which, astonishingly even for him, Trump has been making positive noises about, people will need to go to gaol; and the GOP should either cease to exist or be out of power forever. The Party of Lincoln will have become - even more than it is already - the Party of Corporate Mass Murderers.
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