worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
This isn't remotely true, and it seems to conflate the Democratic establishment & "moderate liberals" with the actual left. To be clear, Hillary Clinton represents the "left" about as much as Mario Cuomo does, which is to say, not at all. She's a middle of the road, capitalism actually works when people aren't such meanies, war is actually great if you blow up the right people, getting paid to give speeches to the people who are killing us all is just good business sense, type of politician.
And there it is. One of the reasons the democrats are in such dire straits (and therefore your country). You've just divided your side into factions/tribes of belief systems instead of putting aside a decidedly ideological stance, and uniting under the umbrella with all the other people on the left who (likely) don't align exactly with your beliefs as to what makes someone left or liberal. This schism in your own party is the very reason why things are bad. Finding a politician who aligns with you entirely on even HALF your beliefs would be hard, and that exponentiates when you put into play making or not making things happen in your government.
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
Nobody on the left puts any of that in the + column, nor do they think racism is the "only" factor in why she lost.
Citation needed.
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
There isn't a leftist alive who doesn't think HRC was a uniquely unqualified foil for Donald Trump, and screwed up what should have been a slam dunk.
Citation needed. Is there a Rotten Tomatoes site for a "score" you can quote me on what
every leftist alive thinks and feels about HRC?
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
But HRC still barely lost, and it's not ridiculous to believe that racism and sexism were enough to mean the difference, even if they aren't the whole story.
It's also not ridiculous to believe it was other reasons. Unless you have a source that can showcase these factoids are accurate?
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
And it is an accurate conclusion that America elected a racist in part because of, and not despite, his racism...time and again studies show that racial resentment births economic anxiety, not the other way around...but the perception that the acknowledgement of that fact by anyone on the left (as opposed to a handful of loud moderates and the political consultant industry) is the same as preoccupation with it, is off base.
Is it? You have a source for this insider info? I'm not trying to be a jerk here...I'm seriously trying to qualify how your statements jive with those you seem to be broadly speaking about as if you have stats.
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
Maybe it's what you're getting outside the U.S.
Depends where you look I guess.
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
Anyway, if anything, it's the Republican-lite "center" that has failed us so badly.
Is it? How do you know this?
worry, on 18 April 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:
It's what allows a policy-free monster like Trump to court votes from degenerates and win, because the Center doesn't offer any actual policy goals, just a nagging "we concede the GOP's point, but they're taking it too far" world view that inspires nobody.
Again this is a schism in your party, and I doubt it's going away, so I'm not sure what you will do to deal with it.
EDIT: I hope none of this comes off as overly jerky, as that's not my intention. As an outsider looking in over the years from north of you, I can't help but notice things. If I'm way off base, I'll accept that...but I think there was enough interest in your reply to ask my questions and seek sources. We studied your branched governmental system in high school (US History) classes and it was always shown to be this superior system for democracy with its "checks and balances"...but quite frankly looking at the state it's in now, it's hard to see that.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 19 April 2018 - 02:01 PM
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