Primateus, on 02 February 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:
QuickTidal, on 02 February 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:
Re: The Memo.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is all so that Trump can feasibly fire Rosenstein (who won't fire Mueller) and find someone who will? Like he thinks this is enough of smokescreen that it will cover the fact that firing Rosenstein to try to get at Mueller more directly would point (EVEN MORE) clearly to obstruction of justice?
Does it actually say anything ostensibly damaging that is also true?
I just read it.
From what I understand, they are saying that the FBI has a Democratic bent, and had a bias towards Clinton over Trump during the election. Most of it is about how they surveilled Carter Page (Trump advisor) and that the renewal (you have to renew surveillance orders every 90 days and with new reasons) came with notions about the Steele Dossier (only some of which has been proven)...which they discount because Steele went to the press and exposed that he was working with the FBI...but it disregards to mention that Page was under surveillance LONG before the Steele Dossier was ever involved...so they are like "These renewals are based on the Steele Dossier, and that guy was fired from working with the FBI!"....implying that it's all untrue (but they proved that the Page-Centric aspects of the Dossier are in fact true)...and that Page should not have been surveilled and this was done to discredit Trump...but doesn't note that the surveillance was already going on, and it's just one of the later renewals that included the Dossier info.
So they are essentially fudging the truth and obscuring it behind omissions. What they say is (I assume) TECHNICALLY true...but it's not nearly the damming thing they are painting it as by a long shot. They are calling out only a tiny piece of an overall picture and ignoring the picture.
The last bit seems to be about how an FBI agent was texting his mistress about how they hope Trump didn't get elected...which I guess the Congressional republicans (and Trump) meant to point at the fact that those two have a Liberal bias...and are therefore unable to do their government oversight jobs in an unbiased manner...which is bullshit. Aren't MOST of the people Trump is disparaging in the FBI Republicans?
Anyways, I THINK they think it's a bigger deal than it seems to be.
I also heard that the Dems have some sort of rebuttal memo? Not sure about that.
I DO know that there is some protections now for the Dems to just read classified shit out on the house floor and be totally protected now...which ought to be interesting...
EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot the cherry on top...the memo actually doesn't actually imply that the the Steele Dossier is what triggered the surveillance (which is what the right has been crowing about it "proving")...one line late in the memo actually flat out states that it was Papadopolous that triggered it, not the dossier.
So yeah...lots of smoke, but even an untrained eye notes that it doesn't do anything they think it does.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 02 February 2018 - 06:17 PM
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