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D, on 17 August 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:
HoosierDaddy, on 17 August 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:
Do I need to take down my Caeser statue and SPQR flags down now?
Heh, I was just thinking/posting about that, too. When is the historical cut-off after which owning slaves and/or genocide mean you aren't allowed statues, but before which it's historical enough to be allowed?
Seems to me like you're allowed statues as long as you're on the "winning" side. Maybe if the South had won (and later abolished slavery anyways) Lee statues would be fine but the Washington statues would be getting torn down?
Slavery still wouldn't have been okay. And the war to ensure it was okay would have still been wrong for them.
These people aren't martyrs to a good cause. To imply that is to say that slavery was fine; they were fighting for freedoms they already had, but not the millions of slaves. And the poor farmers of the south who were able to look at the slaves and say: "Well, at least I'm free" were the grunts on the Confederate lines who never had statues made of them because they weren't rich, white, and popular enough to get them. And those would be wrong too if they existed.
Ain't no choice in slavery. For or against.
Same thing with fascism and Nazis, neo-nazis, white-supremacists: For or against.
There is no middle ground grey territory. I can understand the background that causes it, but there is plenty of available information to disabuse that notion.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....