[HoosierDaddy]

Fourth:

Hillary Clinton, Sec. St.
Rebecca Blank, acting Sec. Com.
Hilda Solis, Sec. Lab.
Kathleen Sebilius, Sec. HHM.
Janet Napolitano, Sec. Hom. Sec.

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Lisa Jackson, EPA
Susan Rice, UN
Karen Mills, Small Business Administration

[Obdigore]

EAGLE!

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=dX_1B0w7Hzc

[Khellendros]

worrywort, on 17 October 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Nevermind, Mitt Romney didn't actually conduct Affirmative Action. He just lied about the whole thing: http://blog.thephoen...the-binder.aspx

Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

Might want to cite where you got that from - unless of course you yourself are David Bernstein


But yes, I feel this is a very important thing to point out. I wish it would get more media coverage.

[Vengeance]

Khellendros, on 17 October 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

worrywort, on 17 October 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Nevermind, Mitt Romney didn't actually conduct Affirmative Action. He just lied about the whole thing: http://blog.thephoen...the-binder.aspx

Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

Might want to cite where you got that from - unless of course you yourself are David Bernstein


But yes, I feel this is a very important thing to point out. I wish it would get more media coverage.

Here is the huffington Post Binders full of women which has the links to the sources for the stories. Of course the original link is to the same one that WorryWort provided at the top of his post. The Boston Phoenix reporters blog post. Boston reporters really don't like Romney at all.

[Khellendros]

Vengeance, on 17 October 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 October 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

worrywort, on 17 October 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Nevermind, Mitt Romney didn't actually conduct Affirmative Action. He just lied about the whole thing: http://blog.thephoen...the-binder.aspx

Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

Might want to cite where you got that from - unless of course you yourself are David Bernstein


But yes, I feel this is a very important thing to point out. I wish it would get more media coverage.

Here is the huffington Post Binders full of women which has the links to the sources for the stories. Of course the original link is to the same one that WorryWort provided at the top of his post. The Boston Phoenix reporters blog post. Boston reporters really don't like Romney at all.

Ah, sorry Worry, ignore me - didn't see that you had posted a link also

[Ulrik]

Well, I sacrificed my sleep and watched in the middle of night the debate. Holy shit... Im not in deep love with Obama (but yeah, he is rather sympathic to me in many cases - not all of them), but what the hell is with people supporting Romney? Jesus, its just walking bunch of promises without specification how to make it. How to take back bussines from China? Hell, just make America more popular! Thats response from some child and not, oh my god, candidate for presidency! Part about chinese hackers was especially bizarre, but whole strategy "promise the best and throw some mud at Obama" is simply too idiotic... And still, it seems it works?

Whyyyyyyy????

[McLovin]

I was disappointed - even in this debate, Obama didn't look fully in command. Obviously, he's got to occasionally skip debate practice to, you know, RUN THE COUNTRY, but still disappointed in his performance.

I love how Jeff Greenfield is now saying yeah Obama won this round, but this one didn't matter. Huh? I remember back when Obama was first elected, someone said, "If he could walk on water, people would accuse him of not knowing how to swim." It really is true.

[Sick@Simpliciter]

worrywort, on 17 October 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

my exact thought when listening to the debate... this man was talking about women as if they were nuisance to be dealt with while trying to extract some political advantage out of it... no wonder the story he told it's fake... I don't think he never really spared a thought about women rights in all his life and career!
and then of course when women are recreuited and put in uninfluential roles that's not affirmative action, that's straightaway BS! If one assess a range of qualified candidate regardless of their gender you will end up having a cabinet with a prevailing male presence but with women put in important roles as in Obama's cabinet or if I'm allowed the foreign parallel the new Italian government where three crucial ministers are currently held by women while the previous government had overall more women but put in residual roles... never mind how those female ministers were recruited (if you barely follow foreign policy you'll sure know how)

[worry]

Hope Arizona dies.

http://www.abc15.com...-voter-ID-cards

[Terez]

Excellent Maddow segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn...15908/#49456831

[Obdigore]

[Vengeance]

A great oped article by Richard Clark.

Romney on Libya.

[worry]

Wrong, Vengeance. Part of being POTUS is being a trained near-psychic detective, and Obama should have personally gone to Benghazi to conduct the investigation himself, like he's Benedict Cumberbatch. That would apparently in some way speed up the investigation such that it wouldn't take actual time to reach a definitive conclusion. This is a normal thing that we've expected of all our presidents up till now.

[worry]

Meanwhile, Ohio sec. of state is defying SCOTUS to suppress the vote: http://thinkprogress...k-early-voting/

[JLV]

I live at a University that is known as the most upper class public school in Ohio. Even here, from the people I talk to, its about 70/30 in favor of Obama.

That said, I don't associate with anyone from the business school, and I'd be willing to bet there are more Romney supporters there.

My mother and her boyfriend are both going to vote for Romney. He makes six figures, and doesn't want tax raises, she is a bit racist and finds reasons to prefer Romney that don't exist. They refuse to accept when I talked to them about Romney. I'm going to try again with facts from this thread.

My father was going to vote Romney, but I talked to him about it and he said the main reason was that Obama raised taxes too much (that side of my family is middle class, but barely seems to scrape by somehow). I didn't even try to bring up the different Romney things about taxing the middle class, but simply reminded him that sometimes personal prosperity matters much less than what is best for the whole populace.

So, one converted, two unsuccessful.

Constant effort here (read: every day, every dining hall) to educate people to vote. Most of them don't show their political allegiance, but the two times they did (one literally registered my friend to vote on the spot) were run by the Obama campaign. I haven't seen a single Romney campaign member trying to get people to vote.


Last ramble:

At our organization where new students sign up for clubs and frats and whatnot, there was a Democratic club that was handing out papers. The Republican club kid held an iPad and was having people type their names in... hilarious.

[Terez]

Must be nice to be an Ohioan and know your vote counts for something, lol.

<---red state dweller

Edit: I should move to Florida. I have some friends in Pensacola, which is only a couple of hours away...and their beaches are nicer...

This post has been edited by Terez: 19 October 2012 - 12:07 AM

[Terez]

Ooh, Al Smith dinner. Mitt Romney is doing...okay. He's getting as many groans as laughs.

[worry]

[Terez]

For those who didn't know, Obama is on The Daily Show in 30 minutes. (Or at least, the show starts in 30 minutes.)

[worry]

Yah, there's already a fake scandal about it and the use of the phrase "not optimal". You can be sure it's stupid and misleading.