[worry]

^^^Yeah, the Wildlife Conservation Council was stuffed with trophy hunters or affiliates earlier this year: Link


On another note, these are particularly tough reads, so putting them behind spoiler:

Spoiler

[Aptorian]

These past two weeks I've fallen down a YouTube hole of Trump/Putin/US politics coverage on MSNBC and CNN, ... aaand now I actually kind of get Trumps talk about the media being the enemy.

I've heard people say that MSNBC was the liberal equivalent of FOX News but I didn't realize it was that similar. I mean, listening to Rachel Meadows analysis is akin to listening to Glen Beck or Sean Hannity. This Larence O'donnel guy just straight up hates Trump and mocks him in his opening monologues. All their coverage is around 33% facts and quotes and 66% worst case scenario theory crafting featuring guests saying the sky is falling.

I'm not saying MSNBC aren't on the "right side" of this but the narrative and approach to the coverage is definitely reminiscent of FOX News. 

If I was a trump supporter I'd look at MSNBCs coverage and probably think the same thing that sane people think about FOX News.

News coverage shouldn't be presented like a prize fight.

[worry]

Cable news sucks pretty much across the board (Chris Hayes's noble attempt in the format aside), and I won't defend it. You're absolutely right that they treat politics like a game and are constantly talking about winners and losers, things like that.

I will say Donald Trump's problem with the media has nothing to do with its investigative quality or breadth of coverage, and everything to do with the binary of whether it plays into or against his interests. His lashing out isn't confined to cable news, and he very much supports the by-far worst offender FOX (whose prime-time lineup is made up of literal white supremacists Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham -- MSNBC & CNN have nothing near an equivalent roster), so there's no reason to rack your brain for ways to give Trump's POV any legitimacy. Bill Cosby lashes out at the press too...and like Trump, it's a wholly independent phenomenon from whether cable news offers competent journalism or not.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yeah if MSNBC put out a very Pro-Trump message all of a sudden you can guarantee it wouldn't be fake news any more...

[worry]

But if your point is more along the lines of "Jeez, if these guys (i.e. at CNN and MSNBC) really cared about the country, they probably shouldn't be handing Trump such easy targets" then I don't disagree.

[Malankazooie]

Quit Facebook.

[amphibian]

Alternative Goose, on 28 July 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

All their coverage is around 33% facts and quotes and 66% worst case scenario theory crafting featuring guests saying the sky is falling.

The dramatization may be a bit much, but what we are seeing on the local governmental level is bracing for the absolute worst to happen - defunding of every single social directed program possible. Healthcare, welfare, housing programs, transportation, infrastructure, schools etc.

I am now dealing with this at my job - where I am a lawyer that does free legal work to help beneficiaries of Social Security. I work on a wide range of issues and the one common thread through all of them right now is that everyone I deal with - from clients to government workers to other public service personnel - is extremely scared of what is to come because the money is going to be taken away. This isn't an "if the sky falls", it's "the sky is falling and we're figuring out how fast and bad it's going to fall".

It's extremely bad here and unless a huge sea change happens politically in the next 4 years (the Democrats take the House, the Senate, and then actually get to work on reversing all of this), people are going to wither, fail, and die in numbers over the hundreds of thousands. This will disproportionately affect the poor, the people with non-white skin color, and the disabled. I am going to possibly lose my job if the grants for my program are gone, but that's nothing in comparison to the carnage my clients and potential clients and people who I'll never get to will experience.

This is more than a game. This is more than "talking points". This is people's lives and it's extremely scary right now.

[QuickTidal]

The circular logic here presents as dementia to me...either that or they are actively trying to change the rules with people as to what's wrong and what's not....either way, in case anyone forgot...we are in the darkest timeline...

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[Malankazooie]

Just desperate words from a man who is in a tightening vice. But yeah, he's a wack-a-doo also.

[worry]

Yah, I won't rule out the dementia angle, but I will say I don't think it's necessary to explain him: 1) he's incredibly stupid, like phenomenally so, which for some reason rarely comes up in discussions about him. Cuz he's a businessman, I guess. 2) he's old and watches Fox News...anyone who knows anyone who's become a regular Fox News viewer in the time they've know them has seen the drastic change. It's crazy how much this channel genuinely and -- no joke -- tragically warps these people's brains. 3) He's a con man. And I don't mean he runs hustles, I mean he's a pathological liar with an overwhelming need to get one over on everyone. Pop culture kinda glamorizes con artistry, but there's kind of a patheticness to these people who can't help themselves, like Bernie Madoff or folks who get caught embezzling and wind up killing themselves. It's a personality disorder, this need to lie and grift at all times.

[worry]

[Slow Ben]

I mean, if this isn't winning I dont know what is.

[Tapper]

Luv2B_Sassy, on 07 August 2018 - 10:22 PM, said:

This was a long time coming.
https://www.huffingt...1d?guccounter=1

[Slow Ben]

Come on guys, he's doing asbestos he can.

[HoosierDaddy]

Boo hiss!

Anywho Assange's lawyer spoke. That dude is fucked. Good.

[Macros]

Holy fuck.

My uncle from the states has just landed home for a few weeks. first time hes been home in years.

He's a trump supporter.

like full on believes all the conspiracy bullshit hilary is evil the pizza shop peadophile ring is real trump supporter.

trump is very clever and is driving out the old guard and they're running scared. FML


what really gets me is he's a VERY intelligent man, really switched on, well read, and knows his world history very well. But is just full on batshit templars crazy.

[Maark Abbott]

Macros, on 16 August 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

Holy fuck.

My uncle from the states has just landed home for a few weeks. first time hes been home in years.

He's a trump supporter.

like full on believes all the conspiracy bullshit hilary is evil the pizza shop peadophile ring is real trump supporter.

trump is very clever and is driving out the old guard and they're running scared. FML


what really gets me is he's a VERY intelligent man, really switched on, well read, and knows his world history very well. But is just full on batshit templars crazy.

I mean, there's a contradiction in there you know

[Macros]

yeah yeah I know.

But Nico is clearly an educated guy, just sometimes seems to slip off the deep end so....

[Vengeance]

Macros, on 16 August 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

yeah yeah I know.

But Nico is clearly an educated guy, just sometimes seems to slip off the deep end so....

The cult of Fox news is a hell of a Drug.

[Macros]

He actually brought up Fox as being reasonably well balanced compared to CNN, at that point I nearly did a spit take with my coffee.