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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:34 AM

Still waiting for him to say a single concrete thing. Besides "I never claimed Climate Change is a hoax instigated by China" -- an outright lie -- and "you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" -- too crazy a statement even to count as a lie.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:43 AM

Is this real life? This dude is a major party nominee?
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:45 AM

Is it me or is he practically crushing Hillary?

He is weaving a sweatshirt of bullshit, but it is thick enough to conceal her entire being.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:50 AM

It might be just you. He's literally said nothing smart, and many many many dumb things.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:54 AM

View Postworry, on 27 September 2016 - 01:50 AM, said:

It might be just you. He's literally said nothing smart, and many many many dumb things.


I'm tempted to agree with you. But again, I'm looking at it from his supporters point of view, and many of them don't care/can't recognize what is smart. He has, however, used ad hominem attacks to perfection against her. He doesn't need to be smart, he just needs to bluster his way through and undermine her credibility.

Also did he just defend stop&frisk for 2 straight minutes?
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:56 AM

View PostEmperorMagus, on 27 September 2016 - 01:45 AM, said:

Is it me or is he practically crushing Hillary?

He is weaving a sweatshirt of bullshit, but it is thick enough to conceal her entire being.


He's doing a great job of securing votes he has already secured. How does this convince anybody on the fence he's ready to be POTUS?

Also, depends on why you are watching and what you are looking for in the debate?
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 01:58 AM

View PostEmperorMagus, on 27 September 2016 - 01:54 AM, said:

View Postworry, on 27 September 2016 - 01:50 AM, said:

It might be just you. He's literally said nothing smart, and many many many dumb things.


I'm tempted to agree with you. But again, I'm looking at it from his supporters point of view, and many of them don't care/can't recognize what is smart. He has, however, used ad hominem attacks to perfection against her. He doesn't need to be smart, he just needs to bluster his way through and undermine her credibility.

Also did he just defend stop&frisk for 2 straight minutes?


My favorite part was when he denied that S&F was found unconstitutional.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:01 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 27 September 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

View PostEmperorMagus, on 27 September 2016 - 01:45 AM, said:

Is it me or is he practically crushing Hillary?

He is weaving a sweatshirt of bullshit, but it is thick enough to conceal her entire being.


He's doing a great job of securing votes he has already secured. How does this convince anybody on the fence he's ready to be POTUS?



Indeed. And I doubt he's going to sway any voters he didn't already have by "UGH"ing loudly when she mentions black communities in a positive light, or by continuing to profess the virtues of Stop & Frisk, one of the grossest practices in modern policing.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:03 AM

Haha I missed a few posts, so S&F was covered, but I really think his performance is lousy. I don't think she's delivered a knock-out punch, but I think she's letting him tie his own noose.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:07 AM

Clinton is doing better now, Trump is now interrupting less.

I don't think Trump is saying really dumb dumb stuff by any means though.

His job's part was good. His Debt part was really valid. Gun's goes to Clinton. Social Policies is definitely going to Clinton.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:20 AM

What did he say about jobs except "don't let them leave"?

What does he understand about the US debt? He seems to think we owe China 20 trillion dollars. Of course it's embarrassing that infrastructure devolved while the debt has ballooned. But presenting trickle down economics as the answer to that should get you pulled off the stage by a giant hook ala the Apollo Theater.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:21 AM

The interest rate was an amazing point...that politicians don't want to talk about...Yellen playing politics...etc etc

You owe 20 trillion...what happens if you raise rates... Math wins..is what happens.

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:21 AM

Let's fight the moderator!
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:23 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 27 September 2016 - 02:21 AM, said:

Let's fight the moderator!


No shit. That's the funniest part so far.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:29 AM

"Iran has power over North Korea"

Yup. That's totally true.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 02:43 AM

She's spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads about me...and some of them were even untrue!

Great argument there.

I think he looked and sounded terrible, and don't agree at all that his answers about Yellen or the interest rate were sound, but I suppose they might score with lay people since he was saying, you know, economic terms. He must be a financial genius if he knows who Yellen is. As if any administration at this level wouldn't know the trivia answers.

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 03:41 AM

View PostHigh Geek of Crawfish, on 27 September 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

45 mins.

Where the fuck is Terez?

I slept straight through this one. No ragrets.

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

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And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 04:06 AM

Overall, this was disappointing. I expected fireworks but all I got was a relatively toothlessTrump with a slightly worse hairdo and Hillary spilling her usual spiel. We heard nothing about Trump's penis or HRC's menstruation and he didn't make up a new nickname for her.

Sad.

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 04:13 AM

It's the post-debate Trump where you're gonna get your fix of crazy.

For instance, he's already blaming the microphone. And those who provided the microphone.
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 08:43 AM

Hah, yes, a good leader always blames everything else for their own failings.
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