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#2141 User is offline   Terez 

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 03:55 PM

It usually only works that way downwind. In other words, a president of one party will usually inspire a victory for the other party in midterm elections in Congress. But in presidential elections, whoever wins the presidency usually also wins Congress downticket. Right now the House is gerrymandered toward Republicans, though, so if a Democrat wins the presidency then they'll probably also win the Senate, but not the House.

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 06:15 PM

View PostTerez, on 15 December 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

It usually only works that way downwind. In other words, a president of one party will usually inspire a victory for the other party in midterm elections in Congress. But in presidential elections, whoever wins the presidency usually also wins Congress downticket. Right now the House is gerrymandered toward Republicans, though, so if a Democrat wins the presidency then they'll probably also win the Senate, but not the House.

Ah, I see.

Fwiw, among Ukis I speak to, whenever the election's brought up, people tend to lean Republican, b/c they expect a tougher anti-Russian position, and also b/c there are doubts about Hillary and whether or not she may do some kind of backroom deal with VVH that'll leave UA at his mercy.

Entirely subjective and biased, I know. Simply offering perspective on what people not directly involved can be thinking.
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 07:40 PM

If you want another proxy war, Republicans are your best bet. I don't think you want that. Seriously.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 07:51 PM

Name the conditions Terez.
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 08:28 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 15 December 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

If you want another proxy war, Republicans are your best bet. I don't think you want that. Seriously.



Thoughts?

http://www.reuters.c...N0TX2PG20151215

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The states it listed as joining the new coalition included Egypt, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan and several African nations.

The list did not include Shi'ite Muslim Iran, the arch rival of Sunni Saudi Arabia for influence across the Arab world. Tehran and Riyadh are ranged on opposite sides in proxy conflicts in Syria and Yemen.


Let me just leave this right here too:

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 09:11 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 15 December 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

If you want another proxy war, Republicans are your best bet. I don't think you want that. Seriously.

Can't say I do. But given the alternative presented is being assimilated into the Russian sphere influence, economic gouging and cultural assimilation, there's lots of people for whom going down fighting seems the more appealing option.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 09:22 PM

Any bets on which GOP candidate spoils THE FORCE AWAKENS tonight?

I'd put money on Trump cuz he's hip like that, but could see Bush or Cruz' advisors coaching them to it because it's trending and you gotta trend hard.


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 03:43 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 15 December 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

Name the conditions Terez.

Cruz wins Alabama, you get my avatar for a month. Cruz doesn't win Alabama, I get yours for a month.

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 03:45 AM

View PostBriar King, on 16 December 2015 - 03:41 AM, said:

Noooooooooo

What was that for?

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 08:29 PM

Lindsey Graham is out. Not that he was ever a significant player.

http://fivethirtyeig...g/?ex_cid=538fb

I wonder if the main stage debates are going to raise their standards or if they're going to do away with the early debates altogether.

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 10:36 PM

It might be a mercy to those candidates. It would cull the herd, and resulting dropouts may swing numbers into all the remaining non-Trump columns. It might not, either, but even in a best case scenario would it nudge anyone up to true rival status? Mathematically speaking. I suppose Cruz is their one anti-Trump hope, but even brushing Cruz with the word "hope" feels disgusting. The Rubio surge still isn't happening for some reason.
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Posted 22 December 2015 - 02:34 AM

View Postworry, on 21 December 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

The Rubio surge still isn't happening for some reason.


Because he looks 'Mexican' and the people who vote in republican primaries are generally pretty racist.
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Posted 22 December 2015 - 02:42 AM

Rubio already got one small surge. It just wasn't very impressive because there are still too many candidates in the race. He probably won't get a decent surge until some of the other establishment types drop out. Christie, Kasich, and Bush would give him about 10% more. Rubio's long term problem is that the anti-establishment candidates have about 60% of the vote tied up.

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 02:50 AM

Pataki is out.

http://fivethirtyeig...sidential-race/

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 04:30 AM

He and Kasich came out of the same vat of protohuman genetic pudding.
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Posted 30 December 2015 - 05:41 PM

View Postworry, on 30 December 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

He and Kasich came out of the same vat of protohuman genetic pudding.


I can't be the only one flashing back to Fallout 1 and the FEV vats, now.
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Posted 31 December 2015 - 04:17 AM

Jeb in South Carolina tonight. His stupidity really does tend toward blithe cruelty.

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 07:14 PM

The clock is ticking on the Carson campaign:

http://www.nbcnews.c...on-quit-n488576

News like this is never good; it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as it signals to donors that you're losing viability.

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 12:05 AM

You're right. And on the one hand, it's not surprising, since he's clearly not a great leader. But imploding before even Iowa -- like not being able to convince your closest people to hold out another month -- really does seem like an especially disastrous sign.
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Posted 02 January 2016 - 06:25 PM

His problem got a lot worse after I posted that last article.

http://www.rawstory....s-out-the-door/

At the time he had only lost 5 top staffers. That quickly climbed to 20.

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