[Terez]

I didn't watch it and I forgot to DVR it. If anyone can find a link to watch it online that would be great. Apparently CNN is only offering clips at the moment.

PS: I found it. Link, for a source future debates.

This post has been edited by Terez: 17 September 2015 - 04:57 AM

[worry]

Part 1 of 5, but the rest aren't as long (it's ~3 hours minus a few commercials). May get taken down, as I'm not familiar with the uploader (not CNN).

Very few fireworks, just the every-20-minutes reminder from Chris Christie that Republicans shouldn't be arguing with each other. Wasn't tone deaf so much as pointless.

Kinda felt that the marijuana questions was a direct attack on Sleepy Bear Carson. It did produce the one, single, lone highlight of Rand Paul translating everyone else's political language: following fed law = imprisoning people.

Lowlight: Planned Parenthood answers. Really clarified how despicable they all are despite some concerted nice guy acts.

[Andorion]

Ok, hypothetical question, Trump vs Bernie, who wins?

[Terez]

I'm watching it like 20 seconds at a time because I can't stand it otherwise.

[worry]

It gets worse as it goes.

[Terez]

I haven't even made it past the opening speeches yet.

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 17 September 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

Ok, hypothetical question, Trump vs Bernie, who wins?

CNN

[amphibian]

Andorion, on 17 September 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

Ok, hypothetical question, Trump vs Bernie, who wins?

I think Bernie narrowly beats Trump - but it's real, real close. Many of the southern states will go Republican despite Trump being as awful as he is.

[Terez]

amphibian, on 17 September 2015 - 02:30 PM, said:

Andorion, on 17 September 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

Ok, hypothetical question, Trump vs Bernie, who wins?

I think Bernie narrowly beats Trump - but it's real, real close. Many of the southern states will go Republican despite Trump being as awful as he is.

Bernie in a landslide. Since when have the southern states decided anything? They always go red, more so as the last of the Dixiecrats disappear (those allowed Clinton to carry Arkansas and Georgia once, if I recall).

Republicans could win Ohio and Florida and still lose.

[amphibian]

The thing is I think Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Nevada would go Trump over Bernie. So if you add in Ohio and Florida, that's enough.

[Andorion]

Thing is I read somewhere (can't remember where) that women are desrting Hillary and her approval rating is plunging. So Bernie being the Democratic candidate might as well be a reality.

[Terez]

amphibian, on 17 September 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

The thing is I think Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Nevada would go Trump over Bernie. So if you add in Ohio and Florida, that's enough.

I don't know much about politics in PA and NV, but there's no way on earth that Trump will win Wisconsin. Republicans don't do well there in presidential elections, and Bernie is not nearly unpopular enough there to create that kind of result. Republicans only do well in Wisconsin in low-turnout elections, i.e. non-presidential years.

[amphibian]

Scott Walker survived there.

[Terez]

amphibian, on 18 September 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

Scott Walker survived there.

That's because gubernatorial elections are in midterm years in Wisconsin. That's also how Russ Feingold lost his seat. And why he's running in 2016 to get it back (and why he'll almost certainly win).

[HoosierDaddy]

Andorion, on 18 September 2015 - 01:15 AM, said:

Thing is I read somewhere (can't remember where) that women are desrting Hillary and her approval rating is plunging. So Bernie being the Democratic candidate might as well be a reality.

If she's the nominee, they'll come right back because the elephants are TERRIBLE about women's issues. Trump is actually pulling this back towards the center, but most of them are awful. Fiorina would be the best option but their both "frigid bitches." Which, I guess is better than having to start a commercial with "I'm not a witch."

Terez, on 18 September 2015 - 05:22 AM, said:

amphibian, on 18 September 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

Scott Walker survived there.

That's because gubernatorial elections are in midterm years in Wisconsin. That's also how Russ Feingold lost his seat. And why he's running in 2016 to get it back (and why he'll almost certainly win).

Minnesota and Wisconsin are purple states. It depends on the candidates. I think the donkey's generally have the advantage, but they can fuck it up quite easily.

[Terez]

HoosierDaddy, on 18 September 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Minnesota and Wisconsin are purple states. It depends on the candidates. I think the donkey's generally have the advantage, but they can fuck it up quite easily.

That is an oversimplification. The Democrats haven't lost a presidential election in Wisconsin since Reagan in 1984. The political pole reversal that started with FDR is still ongoing, and 1984 was not far removed from the intense shake-up of the Civil Rights era. Before then, Wisconsin was much purpler than it is now. People who actually live in Wisconsin say it's all about turnout. Democrats do well in presidential years, and Republicans do well in midterm years, though some House districts are reliably red or blue even in midterm years. It has been that way in Wisconsin for 30 years. They voted for Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry, and Obama twice. It is conceivable, since Republicans do well in midterm/gubernatorial (low-turnout) elections, that Bernie would lose to someone like Kasich or Rubio. It is extremely unlikely, however, that Bernie would lose to Trump.

[HoosierDaddy]

Terez, on 18 September 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 18 September 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Minnesota and Wisconsin are purple states. It depends on the candidates. I think the donkey's generally have the advantage, but they can fuck it up quite easily.

That is an oversimplification. The Democrats haven't lost a presidential election in Wisconsin since Reagan in 1984. The political pole reversal that started with FDR is still ongoing, and 1984 was not far removed from the intense shake-up of the Civil Rights era. Before then, Wisconsin was much purpler than it is now. People who actually live in Wisconsin say it's all about turnout. Democrats do well in presidential years, and Republicans do well in midterm years, though some House districts are reliably red or blue even in midterm years. It has been that way in Wisconsin for 30 years. They voted for Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry, and Obama twice. It is conceivable, since Republicans do well in midterm/gubernatorial (low-turnout) elections, that Bernie would lose to someone like Kasich or Rubio. It is extremely unlikely, however, that Bernie would lose to Trump.

It's a purple state as a fact. Are there reasons for it? Yes. But, nonetheless they split tickets. I agree with you, but in an election like this where it looks like out and out centrists will dominate it's even more likely to be purple.

[Maark Abbott]

Did one of your American politicians (bumblebee, or something weird) genuinely say that Davis nutjob should have her face printed on money?

I'll never understand your odd politics, America.

[HoosierDaddy]

Was it Huckabee? He was the one making her a martyr.

You have to understand some of these people are running, especially Huckabee, to get jobs on Fox TV. They know they have no chance at winning. It's a joke.

[worry]

Well in this case, Mike Huckabee quit the FOX News show he already had in order to run for president. But that just means he's aiming for a higher level of wealth than 'pundit'. He wants that megachurch money.