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#10981 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 04 September 2020 - 09:19 PM

'Rittenhouse's attorney, John Pierce, is mounting a more impassioned, perhaps novel, case to win his client's freedom. Rittenhouse, Pierce argues, is the first hero of a new American Revolution.

"Kyle Rittenhouse will go down in American history alongside that brave unknown patriot at Lexington Green who fired 'The Shot Heard Round the World' on April 19, 1775," Pierce wrote in a since-deleted tweet on Tuesday. "A Second American Revolution against Tyranny has begun."

Despite not being a criminal-defense attorney, Pierce has become the public face of a growing legal and financial effort to acquit Rittenhouse, appearing on Fox News with Tucker Carlson[...]

At least some of the money donated to the foundation from Rittenhouse's supporters will go toward Pierce's own law firm, Pierce Bainbridge, as part of the legal defense, according to Pierce.
What may not be clear to donors, however, is that Pierce and the once-prominent firm he founded are mired in millions of dollars of debt, while a payday-lender-style loan to cover his own expenses prompted him to take a leave of absence. [...]

"I am not quite the rapscallion you make it seem, Will ;)," Pierce wrote in an email. "But I do love my God, my Country and Notre Dame, and I will fight to the death for Kyle Rittenhouse."'

https://www.thedaily...-debts?ref=home

'Greene, a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, is the GOP nominee in Georgia's 14th Congressional District. Endorsed by President Trump, she's likely to be elected to Congress in November. The threatening photo says "Squad's worst nightmare" as a gun-toting Greene poses alongside images of Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI). The photo was apparently taken down from Greene's campaign Facebook page on Friday, but Greene's spokesperson told reporters that the notion the image was threatening was "paranoid and ridiculous."

Omar tweeted on Friday that "there are already death threats in response to this post."'

https://www.thedaily...ok-pic?ref=home

'Feds Arrest Blue Lives Matter Supporters After Tip They Wanted to "Pick People Off" in Kenosha

Two Missouri men have been arrested on numerous weapon charges after federal authorities were tipped off that they intended to possibly "loot" and "pick people off" at Kenosha protests[...] FBI investigators said that they recovered an assault rifle, shotgun, two handguns, a silencer, ammunition, body armor, a drone, and other materials [...] attended President Donald Trump's rally in Kenosha and are allegedly part of the 417 2nd Amendment Militia of Missouri even though neither one of them is allowed to legally own guns due to their criminal records.'

https://www.thedaily...enosha?ref=home

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 12:53 AM

Does John Pierce know 'the shot heard around the world' had the redcoats travel to attack the colonists that gathered to 'defend' their village? And that many 'colonists' were hurt/killed and only one redcoat was?

Rittenhouse is clearly the aggressor here, he brought a weapon across state lines to attack the 'locals' who were protesting something the government was doing. His poorly chosen analogy paints his client as the attacking force, and the losing side, of the revolutionary war. The people Rittenhouse attacked and murdered 2 people who were participating, legally, in US politics. No wonder his legal firm is in debt.
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Posted 05 September 2020 - 01:31 AM

So trump probably called soldiers losers. Will even this not stick
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Posted 05 September 2020 - 09:18 AM

View PostCause, on 05 September 2020 - 01:31 AM, said:

So trump probably called soldiers losers. Will even this not stick


Of course it won't. His most loyal base seems utterly without principles. They definitely seem willing to abandon whatever pretense at morality whenever it suits their Dear Leader.
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Posted 05 September 2020 - 09:24 AM

View PostPrimateus, on 05 September 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

View PostCause, on 05 September 2020 - 01:31 AM, said:

So trump probably called soldiers losers. Will even this not stick
Of course it won't. His most loyal base seems utterly without principles. They definitely seem willing to abandon whatever pretense at morality whenever it suits their Dear Leader.

They're not a monolith, though, and there are a lot of people who voted for him who have been on the edge throughout his entire first term. Everyone has their own breaking point.

It's been interesting watching all the video testimonials being submitted to Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT). Many of those who didn't vote for him in 2016 cited Trump's treatment of John McCain. Many of those who have broken away since have cited military-related things, like Trump not doing anything about the Russian bounties on our soldiers, or what he did in Syria. They tried to write off the McCain comments as personal animus or whatever, but every little thing that comes out makes the picture clearer and harder to deny.

I'm not saying this will make a huge difference, but every vote matters. Trump knows that, and that's why he's losing his mind over it.

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The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 05 September 2020 - 03:13 PM

His base can't be moved, but others will be skeptical due to the the timing of it (2 months from election) and chalk it up as "fake news" from the lamestream media. Although I believe Fox News substantiated this piece? Is that correct?

The "October surprises" should be a doozy.
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Posted 05 September 2020 - 03:21 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 05 September 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

His base can't be moved, but others will be skeptical due to the the timing of it (2 months from election) and chalk it up as "fake news" from the lamestream media. Although I believe Fox News substantiated this piece? Is that correct?

The "October surprises" should be a doozy.


'Trump Calls for Firing of Fox News Reporter Who Confirmed President Disparaged Veterans

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Fox News national security reporter Jennifer Griffin wrote a Twitter thread and also went on the network to lay out how she had confirmed several claims in the piece, although not the specific allegations of what the president allegedly said about those buried in the French cemetery. But she did confirm with two former senior officials that he did not want to drive to honor those buried in the cemetery outside Paris.

President Trump's staff explained he could cancel (his visit to the cemetery), but he was warned, 'They (the press) are going to kill you for this'." The President was mad as a hornet when they did.

— Jennifer Griffin (@JenGriffinFNC) September 4, 2020

Griffin said she confirmed Trump didn't think highly of those who served in the Vietnam War. "When the President spoke about the Vietnam War, he said, 'It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker'," her source said. The source added that Trump was confused about why anyone would join the service: "What's in it for them? They don't make any money." She also claims the president said that the inclusion of "wounded guys" in a military parade was "not a good look" because "Americans don't like that." Griffin also reported Trump did not want flags to be lowered when Sen. John McCain died but later relented amid insistence from other officials.

[...] Trump was evidently really angry about the claims and took to Twitter a few hours later to share an article from Breitbart that alleged Griffin "Did Not Confirm 'Most Salacious' Part of Atlantic Story." Trump wrote late Friday that Griffin "should be fired for this kind of reporting," alleging she never called the White House for comment. "@FoxNews is gone," he added. Melania Trump also joined her husband in denying the story, a rare instance in which the first lady got involved in political issues. "This is not journalism - It is activism," she tweeted.'

https://slate.com/ne...c-veterans.html

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 03:40 PM

'It's Time for Trump's Generals to Go on the Record

Anonymously sourced horror stories just won't cut it.

[...] Judging from a recent poll in Military Times, Trump has already lost favor among active-duty military officers. The statements quoted in the Atlantic article could sink his presidency.

[...] The denial might carry some weight because all of Goldberg's sources—some of them generals, including at least one four-star general—spoke to him on background (meaning they could be quoted but not identified by name). And so, it becomes a matter of Goldberg's word versus Trump's—or, in the eyes of Trump supporters, a "fake-news reporter" versus "my president." As a result, the story, which would otherwise be political dynamite so close to an election, might shift few, if any, votes.

[...] Generals don't like to go on the record when talking about anything controversial, and certainly not when dissing a sitting president. This is true for retired generals as well, who feel no less bound by the ethos of respecting civilian authority and staying out of politics.

But by talking to Goldberg about these events at all, these generals waded deep into the political swamp. They must have thought it important for the public—for voters—to know this side of the man in the White House. They must, deep down, feel despair over the possibility that this man—who holds their professions, their values, and their patriotism in such contempt—might serve as president for another four years.'

https://slate.com/ne...the-record.html

'[...] years ago I quite accidentally injected the phrase "epistemic closure" into political discourse. This became a buzzword for five minutes, but a lot of people misunderstood it as effectively just a pretentious synonym for "stuck in an echo chamber" or "closed-minded."

[...] I used it to mean you had an *ideology and media ecosystem* that would enable you to reject new contrary information.

[...] The idea of "epistemic closure" was that you WOULD hear new and contrary information, but you have mechanisms in your belief system that reject anything that might force you to update your beliefs.

[...] the Trump ecosystem has developed a pretty sophisticated set of epistemic closure mechanisms that work to reject new information that might otherwise pose a problem. Like this... [examples]

[...] It is extraordinary, and as far as I know unprecedented, how many of Trump's own former appointees & senior officials have come out to say "this guy is unfit for office, and in fact a serious threat to U.S. national security." You'd think people might find that hugely alarming.

This doesn't seem to give supporters much pause, though. Not (just) because they don't become aware of it, but because there's a mechanism that enables supporters to reject this sort of testimony out of hand: The "Deep State."

If the "Deep State" is part of your belief system, the testimony of these officials doesn't affect your confidence in Trump's competence; it proves how threatening he must be to the wicked network determined to undermine his presidency.

[...] if "Fake News" is part of your belief system, the sheer volume of this actually works to validate his claim that media elites are hopelessly biased against him.

[...] Ditto "The Swamp": If people who were once widely respected conservative thinkers or elected officials are appalled by Trump, their stature is converted from a reason to take them seriously into a reason to discount them: They don't want their cushy position disrupted.

[...] these overlapping mechanisms are pretty critical to the resiliency of Trump support among his admirers[...]

[...] One thing worth considering is that closed belief systems like this tend to be strong but brittle. That is, it's hard to make a crack in the firewall, but if you DO make a crack, often the whole edifice crumbles with surprising speed. And the crack can be something small.

[...] Are there sources of authoritative information that DON'T have a closure mechanism—an ideological T-cell—set up to neutralize them in the Trumpist narrative? There's a T-cell for media, intelligence agencies & national security officials, Republican incumbents...

[...] there's a prefabricated "you can disregard this because..." mechanism for the obvious sources of contrary information. But if there's one they've missed, that might have some luck until they can construct a counternarrative.'

https://twitter.com/...740649047580672

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Posted 07 September 2020 - 04:36 PM

'Ethnocentric concerns about the growing political power and social influence of immigrants, African Americans and Latinos are undermining Republicans' commitment to long-held democratic norms, according to new research by Vanderbilt University political science professor Larry Bartels[...] in the research article "Ethnic antagonism erodes Republicans' commitment to democracy," [...]

Among the Republican respondents, 50.7 percent agreed with the statement that "The traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it," while 41.3 percent agreed that "A time will come when patriotic Americans have to take the law into their own hands." Further still, 73.9 percent agreed that "It is hard to trust the results of elections when so many people will vote for anyone who offers a handout."

[...] To understand why so many respondents endorsed these ideas, he relied on 127 survey items to measure six potential bases of Republicans' political attitudes[...] he found that ethnic antagonism was by far the strongest predictor of antidemocratic sentiments.

"The antidemocratic sentiments are not primarily products of social isolation or insufficient education or political interest," said Bartels. "Rather, they are grounded in real political values—specifically, and overwhelmingly, in Republicans' ethnocentric concerns about the political and social role of immigrants, African Americans and Latinos in a context of significant demographic and cultural change."

[...] as Bartels points out, the U.S. already has undergone one devastating civil war and has a long history of racial violence, suggesting there could be serious implications for his findings, particularly in this extraordinarily divisive moment in American politics.

"How concerned should we be that a president who assails essential institutions and traditions of democracy has found millions of followers willing to endorse significant violations of democratic norms?" asked Bartels. "The simple answer is that no one knows."'

https://slate.com/ne...t-national.html

'Opponents of Brexit and Donald Trump not only found those victories intolerable, but many refused to believe them to be legitimate, instead supposing that lies had swayed a docile population. This idea of a gullible, pliable populace is, of course, nothing new. Voltaire said, "those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities". But no, says Mercier, Voltaire had it backwards: "It is wanting to commit atrocities that makes you believe absurdities".

[...] It might sound naive to say that people aren't that gullible, given what circulates on the internet: 9/11 was an inside job, Sandy Hook was a hoax, Barack Obama is a Muslim. But how many people truly believe these things? In Knowledge Resistance, the sociologist Mikael Klintman argues that it is the act of publicly stating a belief – as opposed to actually holding it – that serves the crucial evolutionarily grounded function of social signalling. If someone says Obama is a Muslim, their primary reason may be to indicate that they are a member of the group of people who co-ordinate around that statement. When a social belief and a true belief are in conflict, Klintman says, people will opt for the belief that best signals their social identity – even if it means lying to themselves. [...] Such a "belief" – being largely performative – rarely translates into action. It remains what Mercier calls a reflective belief, with no consequences on one's behaviour, as opposed to an intuitive belief, which guides decisions and actions. Sometimes a false belief can cross over, from a mere signal to a basis for real-world decision and action, and that's when we see the dangerous collateral effects of belief- signalling. [...]

Levine's framing of the issue contrasts sharply with Mercier's. Levine suggests that because it is so rare, on balance, for people to lie, receivers of information apply a "truth default": we believe people are being truthful unless there are clear reasons not to. [...] The idea of such an impulse is supported in part by evidence from experimental psychology, where research shows that humans are effectively incapable of detecting lies when observing people in contexts such as police interviews. But as Levine acknowledges, these findings are derived from highly controlled lab conditions – can we generalize?

Mercier stakes a broader claim about our habits of information assessment, reversing the truth default idea. People, he says, always filter the messages they receive. The filter comes in the form of a set of cognitive propensities for what he calls "open vigilance", mechanisms "that minimize our exposure to unreliable signals and, by keeping track of who said what, inflict costs on unreliable senders". [...] Every time we receive new information, at some level we ask: is the information plausible? Who is providing it and what are their motivations? [...]

A classical ideal of truth and knowledge is the concept of a marketplace of ideas: as thinking individuals, we encounter competing ideas, evaluate them for their best fit to reality, and then let the facts form the basis of our beliefs. But in competition with the marketplace of ideas is a "market for justifications"'

https://www.the-tls....judices-review/


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 10:32 PM

'At least 1,000 people double-voted in [Georgia]'s June 9 primary, [...] Doing so intentionally is a felony in Georgia, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and fines up to $100,000. Most of these people mailed in absentee ballots and also showed up to vote in person[...] Raffensperger said double-voters know what they're doing. "Those that make the choice to game the system are breaking the law. And as secretary of state, I will not tolerate it," he said. State and local prosecutors will bring charges against double-voters on a case-by-case basis'

https://www.thedaily...e-says?ref=home

Georgia's governor is a Republican. Obviously if this had happened before Trump urged people to vote twice (again---he also did it before the 2016 election, and at least one of his supporters was convicted for it) he would have claimed this as his evidence of widespread voter fraud....

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 11:49 PM

Even more devastatingly critical news on trump and no seems shocked. Will it matter?
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Posted 10 September 2020 - 02:33 AM

View PostCause, on 09 September 2020 - 11:49 PM, said:

Even more devastatingly critical news on trump and no seems shocked. Will it matter?


'Poll: Trump approval hits high mark since June

Forty-seven percent of registered voters in the Sept. 5-8 survey approve of the job Trump is doing as president. By contrast, 53 percent of voters disapprove.

The survey found a 3-percentage-point increase from the last poll conducted Aug. 22-25, when Trump's job approval was at 44 percent.'

https://thehill.com/...NLqaNEaVv6vmq5U

Woodward has Trump *on tape*... and Trump has now publicly admitted that he 'perhaps' intentionally downplayed the deadliness of the virus....

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Posted 10 September 2020 - 04:27 AM

It is amazing what you can get used to. You cannot stay outraged all the time. It is exhausting.

We'll either vote him out or continue the inexorable slide into fascism.

I'd like to think there'd be chaotic death throws to the American republic, but this isn't a sudden death. It is a slow and inexorable slide that so many people just don't fucking care about. No more outrage.

"I got MY life to live you know? I can't care about all these other people! I got money to make, people to use, and things to buy! They should start doing what I'm doing and then they'll be just fine!"
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 10 September 2020 - 04:45 PM

Thought the realization that Trump's lies were leading people they know to die unnecessarily might persuade people to go beyond performative belief or willfully ignorant denial / politically motivated flimsy rationalizations... but new evidence suggests otherwise:

'Even With 190,000 Dead, There's a Lot That Voters Don't Know

[...] political science research has found that people don't always vote in a way that reflects their policy preferences. A principal obstacle is lack of knowledge. In surveys, voters often can't distinguish presidential candidates' stances even on critical issues of the day.

[...] Voters appear not to know Mr. Trump's and Biden's stances. Only 40 percent place Mr. Biden as more supportive than Mr. Trump on masks, and only 41 percent do the same on closing businesses. Only 47 percent place Mr. Biden as more supportive of the WHO. These results are consistent with decades of research showing that a considerable share of the public doesn't know the positions of the parties and presidential candidates, even on the most salient issues. By contrast, among respondents who are highly knowledgeable about the presidential candidates on other issues, more than 90 percent correctly place them on all three coronavirus questions.

[...] When people don't have a sense for party or candidate platforms, they tend to assume that their preferred party or candidate agrees with them on the issues. This phenomenon, which political scientists call projection, appears to be operating here. People's perceptions appear strongly influenced by which candidate they like.

Strikingly, a majority (59 percent) of Trump voters support requiring masks (only 18 percent are opposed), and 81 percent of Trump voters who support mandatory masking think Mr. Trump does as well.

[...] Perhaps surprisingly, knowledge of Mr. Trump's positions on the virus declines among those with a close friend or family member who died of the coronavirus. Sixty-eight percent of Trump voters who know someone who died (compared with 56 percent among those who do not) believe that Mr. Trump supports mask requirements in public.

You might think that the critical importance of an issue would improve people's ability to vote on the basis of that issue. Even in times like these, however, the public's attention to politics remains limited — politics is still "a sideshow in the great circus of life." Lacking knowledge, the importance may simply be making them project their position even more onto their party's candidate.'

https://www.nytimes....projection.html

The researcher doesn't mention whether Trump's incoherence, ambiguous 'jokes', '"truthful" hyperbole', and tendency to contradict himself might contribute to projection, but it seems very likely....

'Faith and politics mix to drive evangelical Christians' climate change denial

[...] Politically powerful Christian interest groups publicly dispute the climate science consensus. A coalition of major evangelical groups, including Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council, launched a movement opposing what they describe as "the false worldview" of environmentalism, which supposedly is "striving to put America, and the world, under its destructive control."

Studies show that belief in miracles and an afterlife is associated with lower estimates of the risks posed by climate change. [...]

According to Kahan's data, identification as a political conservative, and as white, is much more predictive of rejecting the climate consensus than overall religiosity. He argues that anti-science bias has to do with threats to values that define one's cultural identity. There are all kinds of topic areas wherein people judge expert qualifications based on whether the "expert" confirms or contradicts the subject's cherished view.

[...]

As I explain in my book, "The Truth About Denial," there's ample evidence for a universal human tendency toward motivated reasoning when faced with facts that threaten one's ideological worldview. The motivated reasoner begins with a conclusion to which he or she is committed, and assesses evidence or expertise according to whether it supports that conclusion.

White American evangelicals trend very strongly toward political conservatism. They also exhibit the strongest correlation, among any faith group, between religiosity and either climate science denial or a general anti-science bias.

Meanwhile, African-American Protestants, who are theologically aligned with evangelical Protestants but politically aligned with progressives, show some of the highest levels of climate concern.

North America is the only high-income region where people who follow a religion are substantially more likely to say they favor their religious teachings over science when disagreements arise. This finding is driven mainly by politically conservative U.S. religious denominations—including conservative Catholics.

[...]

But the available evidence cuts both ways. A landmark study from the 1980s suggested that fundamentalist religious traditions are associated with a commitment to human dominion over nature, and that this attitude may explain anti-environmentalist positions.

Even after controlling for political ideology, those committed to an "end-times theology"—like U.S. evangelicals—still show a greater tendency to oppose the scientific consensus on environmental issues.

Perhaps some specific theologies bias the believer against the idea that human beings could be responsible for the end of humanity. This bias could show up as an automatic rejection of environmental science.

We are left with something of a "chicken and egg" problem: Do certain religious communities adopt politically conservative positions on climate change because of their religious tradition? Or do people adopt a religious tradition that stresses human dominion over nature because they were raised in a politically conservative community?'

https://theconversat...e-denial-143145

Clearly Go* is very mad at Nancy Pelosi (and Portland... and Bill Gates---but He spared Texas!... well, this time):

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'Why Does the West Coast's Sky Look Like Literal Hell Right Now? [...] people are arguing about whether it looks like Mars or Venus where they live. [...] thick wildfire smoke has enveloped regions of California and Oregon. As a result, residents of Salem and San Francisco are experiencing eerie orange-red skies.'

https://slate.com/te...e-sky-glow.html

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The orange haze is clearly proof that Go* supports Trump. The fires are previews of hell. What a wonderful miracle!

'Once the decision to wear a mask became informed by political beliefs, it did not matter that scientists better understood the severity of the virus and the evidence in favor of mask wearing became clearer. Why? Research on identity theory shows that individuals are motivated to maintain consistency between the values associated with their identity and the information they encounter. The groups we identify with provide us with a sense of belonging and self-worth. Thus, if we identify with a political group, our psychological motivation is to process information in a way that supports the group we belong to.

This identity protection process was exactly what I found in my dissertation as well. Both Democrats and Republicans interpreted fictitious news headlines very differently depending on whether the headline was favorable or unfavorable toward their political group. This is consistent with a meta-analysis showing robust political bias for both Democrats and Republicans.

Political polarization is extremely strong in the United States, which further perpetuates political bias. The political divide regarding COVID-19 has actually grown over time, despite our increased knowledge of the virus and the efficacy of mask wearing.

How does this divide continue despite the greater knowledge we have about the virus? Well, Democrats and Republicans trust and consume different news media. These media bubbles can lead to many Americans receiving news regarding COVID-19 that is biased toward supporting their political in-group. Democrats and Republicans each prefer to associate with people who share their political beliefs. Research has also found that political attitudes become more extreme after a group discussion with like-minded people. Additionally, a study of mine found that greater political homogeneity in one's personal network was associated with stronger political beliefs. This finding was replicated in my dissertation research where I found political polarization was positively associated with having a greater proportion of close associates who hold similar political beliefs.

In summary, once misinformation becomes political, it is very hard to correct because of our motivation to protect our identity and the reinforcement from our political echo chambers.

[...] As my research shows, depolarization can occur when there is exposure to opposing viewpoints in one's personal network. Furthermore, I found in my dissertation that Republicans were more likely to agree that climate change is influenced by human activity when they had more positive feelings toward Democrats. This is consistent with other work that shows how connecting with people we disagree with on an emotional level is key for depolarization and persuasion. Relating this to the pandemic, we can say that when members of our community engage in mask wearing, it becomes more solidified as a social norm among our group, which ultimately leads to more people adopting the behavior.'

https://theconversat...iticized-144268

But Trump flouts 'consistency' and many traditional Republican 'values'... his cult of personality, and appeal to identity politics, trump consistent 'principles'?... Perhaps they assume that his inconsistency is still going to be good for their identity group? Or are they already conditioned to accept or ignore the ways business and religious leaders exploit them?... 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it'---and 'it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'....

'We believe lies when we feel too vulnerable to allow the truth and its consequences to manifest in our lives. When truth does emerge, we often feel terribly betrayed and we can lose faith in our own ability to make good judgments. To protect against this pain, we sometimes continue lying to ourselves long after reality seems unavoidable.'
https://www.nbcnews....iars-ncna993816

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 05:43 AM

During 2016 campaign.

Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'


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Posted 14 September 2020 - 06:31 PM

This should probably go in the Phoenix Inn / Political Comedy Starring Donald Trump thread.... but, 2020.

So, Trump wants Joe Rogan to moderate a debate between him and Biden.

I guess they could state their positions on the existence of UFOs, whether they have had or are open to a DMT experience, and which Gracie school best represents the indigenous roots of BJJ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:18 PM

HOW IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER PRESIDENT?!

Trump blames Biden for not instituting a mask mandate....

Let'd be clear what he's suggesting...that a private citizen, who has no influence currently in government of any kind...according to Trump....is the reason a government mask mandate is not in place.

Like this is actively worse than his ad campaign where he shows the damage and protests and whatnot that are literally happening ON HIS WATCH and claiming that this is what a Biden presidency would look like.

This mentally deranged orange fucking buffoon actually suggests that what's happening with the pandemic management is due to a private citizen.

Vote this vile POS out of office and hopefully by 2022 he will be locked up in Riker's Island.
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Posted 16 September 2020 - 06:00 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 16 September 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

HOW IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER PRESIDENT?!

Trump blames Biden for not instituting a mask mandate....

Let'd be clear what he's suggesting...that a private citizen, who has no influence currently in government of any kind...according to Trump....is the reason a government mask mandate is not in place.

Like this is actively worse than his ad campaign where he shows the damage and protests and whatnot that are literally happening ON HIS WATCH and claiming that this is what a Biden presidency would look like.

This mentally deranged orange fucking buffoon actually suggests that what's happening with the pandemic management is due to a private citizen.

Vote this vile POS out of office and hopefully by 2022 he will be locked up in Riker's Island.


'Trump took his campaign tactics against Joe Biden to a new low, retweeting an image on Tuesday that baselessly accused the former vice president of being a pedophile.

The tweet Trump shared reads, "We can beat them at their game .. #PedoBiden" and includes a gif of Biden leaning in to whisper into an adult woman's ear with his hands resting on her shoulders.

In the gif, Biden leans in to say something to Stephanie Carter, former Defense Secretary Ash Carter's wife, during his swearing-in ceremony 2015. Since Biden's entrance into the 2020 race, the image has been utilized by critics to suggest the former vice president has been physically inappropriate toward women.

But Stephanie Carter says it's no such thing, writing in 2019 that in the moment captured on camera, she felt she was being comforted by Biden when "he could sense I was uncharacteristically nervous."'

https://www.cnn.com/...weet/index.html

Today Trump tweeted:

'China is drooling. They can't believe this!

The United Spot @TheUnitedSpot1· 15h

Joe Biden has just ONE thing to say and it ain't good. Listen to this


'

https://twitter.com/...219979566710784

'Trump Shares "Manipulated" Fake Video of Biden Playing "F*ck the Police" on His iPhone (It Was Despacito)'

https://www.mediaite...-was-despacito/

As with the video of the man in a golf cart shouting 'white power', Trump will probably claim he didn't notice the #PedoBiden hashtag. He knows that QAnon will take this as confirmation....

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 06:14 PM

'What Happens When Ex-Navy SEALS Go Full QAnon?

Former special forces soldiers are flirting with a wide array of conspiracy theories, including QAnon. They also seem to be uniquely suited to pivoting to IRL violence.

[...] the QAnon conspiracy theory[...] has inspired an uptick in criminal acts by believers. [...]

"The violence we've seen has been by people without acumen and physical training[...] Where it could get scary is with people who do have training."

[...] have extensive military training, and might be better equipped than the average person to build an explosive device or take up weapons.'

[...] QAnon and related conspiracy theories like Pizzagate (both of which baselessly accuse Democrats of child abuse) seem to have an unusually high incidence among ex-SEALs.

[...] Ralston's special forces podcast has also devoted at least one recent episode to QAnon.

"If these people aren't brought to justice, there's gonna be some fuckin' street justice doled out," he says while petting a dachshund in a teaser trailer for the episode, uploaded to Instagram.'

https://www.thedaily...s-go-full-qanon

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 07:02 PM

'In an ad over the summer titled "Break In," an older white woman is watching news coverage about activist demands to "defund the police" when she spots a burglar scouting her home's perimeter and begins to dial 911. As the burglar attempts to force his way in, we hear Sean Hannity's voice coming from the television, talking about how Joe Biden is "absolutely on board with defunding the police." Before the woman can alert the authorities, the intruder crowbars his way into the home. He approaches her, and, following an implied assault, the phone falls to the ground.

“You won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America,” the screen reads.

[...] Although polling in recent months has shown Trump maintaining his advantage among the 50-to-64-year-old cohort, support among those over 65 has moved sharply toward Biden. In a national survey from Monmouth University released on Aug. 11, for example, which gave Biden a 10-point lead overall, Biden was leading registered voters over 65 by 17 points. That would represent a shift of 26 points among the oldest measured demographic from 2016. [...]

In some recent state polls where Biden's margins are tightening, meanwhile, seniors are no longer a bonus demographic contributing to a prospective Biden landslide—they're the ones responsible for Biden holding onto his lead. An early September Quinnipiac poll of Florida, in which Biden led overall by 3 points, saw him leading among the 65-plus by 10; a Monmouth poll of Pennsylvania, in which Biden led overall by 4, showed him with an 11-point edge among seniors. The Biden campaign spent heavily in swing states over the summer trying to preserve this advantage.

[...] Biden is creating his own coalition, and some of the most dramatic movement that's taking place, and some of the aggressively contested terrain down the stretch, is among older white voters in both the Sun Belt and the Midwest. Now, the Biden campaign has the opportunity to do something that Democrats haven't done since the 2000 campaign: win seniors. If Biden succeeds, it will be a catastrophic blow to the Trump campaign.'

https://slate.com/ne...port-biden.html

Fox News debunked Trump's claim that Biden has voiced support for 'defunding the police'... perhaps they're hoping seniors won't remember that.

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