[gandrin]

Seems strange that all this trouble was required....to simply do what Caladan Brood could have done ages ago whenever he felt like it. Anomander was the one holding him back ("the thing you MUST NOT DO" [breaking the chains with his hammer]). He wanted to free TCG many times, and his hammer was designed specifically to do so.

Perhaps TCG would've set loose in anger and destroyed the world, but I don't think Tavore's plan accounted for "convert TCG to humanity's worth" as part of the plan. It was a bonus, and there was no reason to suspect it would have been any different than Caladan doing it. So, for a How It Should Have Ended, you have Tavore stopping her boat on Genabackis, never reaching Lether, and saying, "Hey, can you break those chains when the Jade Strangers show up?" End of story.


NOTE: I haven't read any ICE novels. There was one part in TCG that makes me think Caladan had other things going on...the part about the "one who stood against him". At first I thought that was Kruppe, but the text sounds more like it's somebody by the Stormwall. (Whatever that is. Moving on to ICE now)

[Aptorian]

You've misunderstood the situation.

Broods hammer was never meant to break the Crippled Gods chains. Brood is the champion of Burn. The Hammer is her alarm clock. If and when he smacked that hammer down hard enough it would wake Burn from her slumber. Burn sleeps a fever sleep. She is sick and dying from the virulent infection spreading from the Crippled God who is chained to her flesh.

Brood has two choices. Stand by and let Burn die from the Crippled Gods infection in the course of another 1000 years or so or wake up Burn. If and when she wakes, it will be violent. She will need to purge herself from the CGs poison. Doing so would mean the end of the world as they know it, what with the entire surface of the planet having a seizure.

If she wakes all civilizations fall and most forms of life will probabaly die. On the other hand if Burn died then all the warrens, who are connected with burn, die with her as the CGs poisions spreads out through K'ruls arteries and kills everything. The world itself might not end but magic will die.

Thus the conversation between Brood and Rake in MOI. They have been waiting, probably for centuries for a different solution.

But yeah, it annoyed me that Erikson did not involve Brood in the final book.

This post has been edited by Aptorius: 08 February 2012 - 07:41 PM

[gandrin]

Aptorius, on 08 February 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

You've misunderstood the situation.

Broods hammer was never meant to break the Crippled Gods chains. Brood is the champion of Burn. The Hammer is her alarm clock. If and when he smacked that hammer down hard enough it would wake Burn from her slumber. Burn sleeps a fever sleep. She is sick and dying from the virulent infection spreading from the Crippled God who is chained to her flesh.

Brood has two choices. Stand by and let Burn die from the Crippled Gods infection in the course of another 1000 years or so or wake up Burn. If and when she wakes, it will be violent. She will need to purge herself from the CGs poison. Doing so would mean the end of the world as they know it, what with the entire surface of the planet having a seizure.

If she wakes all civilizations fall and most forms of life will probabaly die. On the other hand if Burn died then all the warrens, who are connected with burn, die with her as the CGs poisions spreads out through K'ruls arteries and kills everything. The world itself might not end but magic will die.

Thus the conversation between Brood and Rake in MOI. They have been waiting, probably for centuries for a different solution.

But yeah, it annoyed me that Erikson did not involve Brood in the final book.

Maybe I misread it, but I'm almost certain they refer to his hammer as the only thing that can break the chains. The thing that can "break anything". He wouldn't have needed that statement to just wake up Burn. I remember this because I remember it contrasting with Karsa saying HE would cut the chains... and then kill TCG. Also because it makes Kruppe's stand that much more fierce.

[Aptorian]

Well as we learn much later in the series, the Crippled God was never that much of a threat to begin with. He was just a morsel of power that the other gods were feeding off... or something like that. Breaking his chains. Or just out right killing him was a possibility. With or without the hammer.

The hammer is connected to Burn not the Crippled God. Maybe you are thinking of Dragnipur, which it was alluded to as having been made by Draconus using that hammer. And as we know, to break a powerful weapon you need the tool the weapon was made with.

[Sinisdar Toste]

in the final book, it takes fener's blood to get rid of the chains on the heart iirc, and bring it back to life. been a while since i read the book, but i don't ever remember the hammer and tCG's chains being mentioned together.

[blackzoid]

Brood's hammer and the chains of Dragnipur were mentioned together. Never the CG's chains. Only in the case of waking Burn which would than expunge the CG's poison but would also kill everyone on the surface.

And if you remember the CG's one-way conversation with Shadowthrone in the final book, he agrees to gather his posioned parts back togethr. Or he would try anyway. Before, he was an antagonist in the series and if it was somehow possible to break his chains without waking Burn using the hammer, I don't think it would have solved anything. He was still pissed off with the Malazan gods and his poison was still spreading through Burn and Krul's Warrens.

In the final book, its the Otatarel Dragon which shatters the CG's chains, not the blood of Fener. Though that does bring it back to life.

This post has been edited by blackzoid: 09 February 2012 - 10:51 AM